Classic Train Questions Part Deux (50 Years or Older)

[ZephyrOverland]

KCSfan

Was one of the end point terminals of the train a city in one of the southern states (states bordered on the north by and including Virginia, West Virginia and Kentucky)?

Mark

 

(7) yes

[KCSfan]

Did the train run to or through Atlanta?

Mark

[ZephyrOverland]

KCSfan

Did the train run to or through Atlanta?

Mark

 

(8) no

[KCSfan]

Was one of the train's end point terminals a city located on a major river (e.g. the Mississippi or Ohio)?

Mark

[ZephyrOverland]

 

KCSfan

Was one of the train's end point terminals a city located on a major river (e.g. the Mississippi or Ohio)?

Mark

(9) no

[KCSfan]

Well we've eliminated Cincy, Louisville, Memphis, New Orleans, Atlanta and all the cities in Florida. It's probably time to concentrate on the RR's over which the train ran. Was the RF&P one of them?

Mark

[ZephyrOverland]

KCSfan

Well we've eliminated Cincy, Louisville, Memphis, New Orleans, Atlanta and all the cities in Florida. It's probably time to concentrate on the RR's over which the train ran. Was the RF&P one of them?

Mark

 

(10) yes

[KCSfan]

If it ran on the RF&P that probably eliminates the Southern leaving us with two likely candidates, the ACL and the SAL. Ennie meenie minney moe, did the train run on the Seaboard?

Mark

[ZephyrOverland]

KCSfan

If it ran on the RF&P that probably eliminates the Southern leaving us with two likely candidates, the ACL and the SAL. Ennie meenie minney moe, did the train run on the Seaboard?

Mark

 

(11) wise choice - yes

[KCSfan]

I can't think of a named SAL train in the post WW2 period that didn't run either to Florida or through Atlanta. Therefor I have to ask if it was a train that was discontinued prior to WW2?

Mark

[wanswheel]

Does a railroad yet to be named have a component generically similar to a component of RF&P, such as a city or body of water?

[ZephyrOverland]

KCSfan

I can't think of a named SAL train in the post WW2 period that didn't run either to Florida or through Atlanta. Therefor I have to ask if it was a train that was discontinued prior to WW2?

Mark

 

(12) yes

[ZephyrOverland]

wanswheel

Does a railroad yet to be named have a component generically similar to a component of RF&P, such as a city or body of water?

(13) no - the railroads associated with this train have been mentioned

[Deggesty]

Was the southern terminus a resort town in North Carolina?

Johnny

[ZephyrOverland]

Deggesty

Was the southern terminus a resort town in North Carolina?

Johnny

 

(14) yes

[KCSfan]

Must be Wilmington, but darned if I can find the name of the train.

Edit: Southern Pines (Pinehurst) is also a possibility. But I can't find the name of a train that terminated there either.

Mark

[daveklepper]

Southern Pines was on the Seabord main line, a station I used on occasion when stationed at Fort Bragg, but I never heard of a branch line to nearby Pinehurst.   (The road linking the two towns was the very first divided four lane highway in the USA with a neutral ground and grass between opposing directions.)  If the train ran on the RF&P and Seabord, then I would suspect it was a Washington - Wilmington, NC train.  If there was a branch line at one time to Pinehurst. then a short consist but possibly all-first-class parlor Waqshington - Pinehurst doodle-bug led train would have had a reason for existance.   Good name would have been the Tar Heel   or jsut the Pinehurst Limited. 

[ZephyrOverland]

daveklepper

Southern Pines was on the Seabord main line, a station I used on occasion when stationed at Fort Bragg, but I never heard of a branch line to nearby Pinehurst.   (The road linking the two towns was the very first divided four lane highway in the USA with a neutral ground and grass between opposing directions.)  If the train ran on the RF&P and Seabord, then I would suspect it was a Washington - Wilmington, NC train.  If there was a branch line at one time to Pinehurst. then a short consist but possibly all-first-class parlor Waqshington - Pinehurst doodle-bug led train would have had a reason for existance.   Good name would have been the Tar Heel   or jsut the Pinehurst Limited. 

 

Is this a submitted question or are you just thinking out loud?

[Deggesty]

ZephyrOverland

Southern Pines was on the Seabord main line, a station I used on occasion when stationed at Fort Bragg, but I never heard of a branch line to nearby Pinehurst.  

Looking at two Guides I have near my computer, one issued in 1944, and the other in 1950. I see the earlier SAL map showing a branch to Pinehurst; it was gone by 1950.

Johnny

[wanswheel]

There was a New York to Pinehurst train called the Carolina Golfer during the 1929-30 winter season. 

[Deggesty]

wanswheel

There was a New York to Pinehurst train called the Carolina Golfer during the 1929-30 winter season. 

I just looked at the SAL and NS schedules in the January, 1930, issue of the Guide, and found that they show no SAL line into Pinehurst (though the map shows it)--but the NS carried the cars between the SAL and Pinehurst; SAL crews may have moved the trains on the NS, since 9.2 miles is not a long day's work. There was also a setout sleeper NY-Raleigh on the train, which was taken off at the Johnson St. (SAL) station, and moved into the Union station. The SAL trains that then stopped in Raleigh went into and out of the Union station (with a backup move).

Johnny

[ZephyrOverland]

wanswheel

There was a New York to Pinehurst train called the Carolina Golfer during the 1929-30 winter season. 

 

That's the train I was looking for.  The New York-Pinehurst Carolina Golfer ran for two seasons, 1929-1930 and 1930-1931.  I was not aware about the NS operation from Southern Pines to Pinehurst since the contemporary ads in the Official Guide show it as a SAL operation.

Wanswheel - it's your turn to ask a question.

[Deggesty]

ZephyrOverland

That's the train I was looking for.  The New York-Pinehurst Carolina Golfer ran for two seasons, 1929-1930 and 1930-1931.  I was not aware about the NS operation from Southern Pines to Pinehurst since the contemporary ads in the Official Guide show it as a SAL operation

I failed to really examine the timetables yesterday before I pointed out that the train used the NS track to get into Pinehurst. The junction was at Aberdeen, not Southern Pines--and the cars were carried on a scheduled NS train 6.1 miles to Pinehurst. This was a daily, except Sunday train that ran between Aberdeen and Asheboro. The NS TT also shows a Sunday only train between Aberdeen and Pinehurst that carried the cars on that day. So, NS crews may well have operated the trains when on the NS track.

Johnny

[wanswheel]

Which two American railroads did Khrushchev ride in 1959?

Mike

[AWP290]

The Pennsylvania Railroad and the Southern Pacific.

 Bob Hanson, Loganville, GA

[wanswheel]

Bob, yes your turn.  Washington to New York and Los Angeles to San Francisco.

[AWP290]

It was said - I suppose in jest - at the time that the Pennsy was chosen because of its red (Tuscan) cars.

In a similar vain, here's another routing question:

What route did Jefferson Davis take from his home in Biloxi, MS, to his inauguration as President of the Confederate States of America in Montgomery, AL, in 1861.  (Hint - it wasn't as easy as it might sound, and he did travel by train, at least 95% of the time.)

 Bob Hanson, Loganville, GA

[wanswheel]

It seems Jefferson Davis "rowed to the middle of the Mississippi River, flagged a steamboat and rode it to Vicksburg." Then his journey evidently continued something like this:

Southern RR of Mississippi, Vicksburg to Jackson

Mississippi Central RR, Jackson to Grand Junction, Tenn.

Memphis & Charleston RR, Grand Junction to Chattanooga

Western & Atlantic RR, Chattanooga to Atlanta

Atlanta & West Point RR, Atlanta to West Point

Montgomery & West Point RR, West Point to Montgomery

http://www.alabamamoments.alabama.gov/sec14det.html

How he got to the river I do not know. Probably horse power.

Mike

[AWP290]

Mike -

You've got the idea - the route was highly circuituous. 

Close, but no cigar. 

 Remember, Biloxi is on the Mississippi Gulf coast.  He did travel by horse (or carriage) for the first leg of his journey. 

 Bob

[wanswheel]

Bob, Jefferson Davis says in his book, The Rise And Fall of the Confederate Government, that his home in 1861 was Brierfield in Warren County. The location was known as Davis Bend, I guess about 20 miles south of Vicksburg. At some point around 1867, the Mississippi changed course, causing Davis Bend on the Mississippi side of the river to become Davis Island on the Louisiana side, but it remains in the state of Mississippi. The Brierfield house burned down in 1931 and the island is now wild for hunting deer.

Mike