Mark
Did this train operate with sleeping cars?
Al
passengerfan Mark Did this train operate with sleeping cars? Al
(11) Yes
Did this train go North from Chicago?
passengerfan Mark Did this train go North from Chicago? Al
(12) No
Did the state in the railroad's name enter the Union after 1776?
wanswheel Did the state in the railroad's name enter the Union after 1776?
(13) No
New York Central?
wanswheel New York Central?
(14) Yes
wanswheelDid the state in the railroad's name enter the Union after 1776?
There was no Union to be entered until the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union were adopted by the Continental Congress 15 November 1777. These Articles declared that the thirteen states were united. http://www.usconstitution.net/articles.html
Wasn't the question really, "Was the state in the railroad's name one of the original thirteen?"
Johnny
Deggesty wanswheelDid the state in the railroad's name enter the Union after 1776? There was no Union to be entered until the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union were adopted by the Continental Congress 15 November 1777. These Articles declared that the thirteen states were united. http://www.usconstitution.net/articles.html Wasn't the question really, "Was the state in the railroad's name one of the original thirteen?" Johnny
Well, I'm not sure if we deserve a point to be credited back to us, but at least we know it was NYC.
Let me ask: Was any part of the name of the train any kind of name of a personage (live, dead, mythological, whatever)?
COUNTS AS NAME (an example, not a proposed answer): "The Mercury Express."
DOES NOT COUNT: "The Dogwood."
Deggesty wanswheelDid the state in the railroad's name enter the Union after 1776? Wasn't the question really, "Was the state in the railroad's name one of the original thirteen?" Johnny
Johnny, that's what I interpreted Mike's question to mean.
al-in-chgo Let me ask: Was any part of the name of the train any kind of name of a personage (live, dead, mythological, whatever)?
(15) No
Now that you have the RR, the answers to some of the prior questions ought to make identifying the train a slam dunk.
Mark, I would guess the Twentieth Century Limited, but part of its route ot of NYC/GCS was powered by "shoe" and the route is more than 500 miles long.
We know that the train used what are today called "slab-sided" coaches as opposed to fluted or streamlined ones, that its route was less than 500 miles, no part of its run was electrified, that one of the terminals was Chicago but the other one was not Detroit. Also that at least some of its run was over the old New York Central.
I'm a loss. The only clarification I can think of this time is to ask whether this train, at any point in its history as a passenger train, carried "slumbercoaches" (aka sleepercoaches -- no need to be picky about the brand name). - al
The Egyptian, the only north-south NYC train out of Chicago that operated out of Lasalle St. Station, as opposed to Central Staion. Trains out of Central ran alongside, and presumbly under at some point, the wires of the Illinois Central Electric suburban service, shared by the CSS & SB. This train carried sleepers to/from Harrisburg IL at least as late as 1943. The southern terminus was Cairo on the north bank of the Ohio River, 459 miles from Chicago.. The route from Englewood through Whiting IN is NS's ex-Conrail entrance to Chicago today.
adkdivfan The Egyptian, the only north-south NYC train out of Chicago that operated out of Lasalle St. Station, as opposed to Central Staion. Trains out of Central ran alongside, and presumbly under at some point, the wires of the Illinois Central Electric suburban service, shared by the CSS & SB. This train carried sleepers to/from Harrisburg IL at least as late as 1943. The southern terminus was Cairo on the north bank of the Ohio River, 459 miles from Chicago.. The route from Englewood through Whiting IN is NS's ex-Conrail entrance to Chicago today.
Bingo, you've got it. The humble Egyptian of the Big Four (NYC) running between Chicago and Little Egypt in Southern Illinois. It was the only NYC train that ran out of Chicago on a true N-S route. In the late 1930's it carried Pullmans from both Cairo and Evansville via a connection from Mount Carmel. Sometime after WW2 it was cut back to run only between Chicago and Harrisburg. I don't know when the train was discontinued but it ran at least until the mid '50's. Its consist in the latter years was RPO's, baggage/mail/express cars, two non-reclining seat coaches and a single heavyweight Pullman.
Welcome to the forums and the Classic Train Questions game adkdivfan. The next question is yours to ask.
What a great question! Based on your description of the limited trackage the Egyptian traversed that is now NS, I was dying at ask about Big Four routing. But I didn't want to risk making yet another wag, especially since the questions were beginning to run out.
Based on some time spent in "Egypt" (Sou. Illinois in general) I'm curious if anyone knows if that part of the route running through "Egypt" (Carbondale and south, for a perhaps oversimplified definition) is still in operation as freight, and whether the Bigs or short lines, or both, operate there; also whether any of that track has been ripped up. Also what were the first few stops heading out of Cairo northward?
I didn't mean to get this explicit, but feel free to e-mail or PM me if you'd rather not add extra space regarding a solved question.
Am looking forward to the next question! - a.s.
In the 1880's NYC/Vanderbilt interests began construction of the South Penn RR from Harrisburg to Pittsburgh in reaction to PRR'S opening of the West Shore RR in New York State. A deal brokered by J. P. Morgan in 1885 resulted in the PRR & NYC trading these properties, and contruction of the South Penn was halted, but not before 11 of a proposed 13 tunnels were bored. In the 1930's the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission purchased the right-of-way and used 7 of the tunnels, 4 of which are still used today. Which 1 of the 11 bored was the only 1 to ever be used by trains, including passenger service, and by what railroad?
This is the neatest question I've seen here in a long time.
ER, no, I don't have the answer.
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Quemahoning Tunnel. Pittsburgh, Westmoreland & Somerset RR
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wanswheel Quemahoning Tunnel. Pittsburgh, Westmoreland & Somerset RR http://timetabletrust.com/images/08689-1916may28.jpg http://www.lvrra.org/pws.htm
"Our cause is just. Our union is perfect."
What train was named for the man who wrote that?
Mike
Was it the Abraham Lincoln ? - al s.
Nope. You're right the train was named for a president.
Did it operate all or mostly east of the Mississippi River? - a.s.
Yes
Did the route the train took operate all or mostly over today's CSX system?
Nope
Was it the George Washington.
Al - in - Stockton
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