#19 No, too far west to be central. #20 OH No! But O yes, and definitely not Toledo.
IGN, by the way is more close to central. I will return after 9pm EST tonight to collect five more chances before giving the answer.
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Ok...its past 9:30PMEST 12/1/09. But since I don't have another question handy, lets let this ride until tomorrow night. See if there are any more guesses...or better yet, answers!
First things first...the train I was thinking of: the answers to the clues included Baltimore as one city of origin, the O indicated Buffalo as in NY on Lake Erie, and the Central in question was the Northern Central, the line the PRR used north out of Baltimore to Harrisburg.and Williamsport before turning west to Emporium Jct. and then north to Keating Summit, Olean and Buffalo. The train: The Buffalo Day Express (southbound the Baltimore Day Express, but thats not what I was thinking of).
So I have to go again: and again my eastern homesteading comes into play.
Another central issue was the NYC tracks to Central Terminal. See map:
http://www.livingwithsteam.org/map_prophet9.html
PRR maps East & Midwest
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=45786
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=45787
You might say that the first USA railroad accident occurred when the belt broke on the Tom Thumb and the horse won the race. B&O, 1829.
I just posed a question of the other thread so go ahead and pose a new one here. Or I am willing to discount the Tom Thumb belt break and have a go at finding the first "in revenue service" accident?
henry6All right, I am again confused. Should I re-pose my quiz...that since I am an easterner I am again thinking of a train of my youthful days?
Unless anybody wants to take it from here, this is the question on the board...please, I am old and thinking can be a chore...
Your question makes sense. Since the Tom Thumb belt braking was not a train in revenue service, I assume that you are talking about one carrying passengers other than just the engineer and a mechanic. I seem to remember that the first run of the De Witt Clinton on the Schenectedy and Mowkawk caused an injury by some important politician being to close to the track. Is that memory correct?
Or are you thinking of another accident and another train?
OK, I'll assume I was correct and ask the next question: Name all Class I railroads/railroad systems in the 1928-1932 period that had at least two different Chicago terminals for passenger service.
I don't include the C&O which had a day train from Cincinnati that terminated at Hammond but sent through cars to Chicago over the New York Central System.
How can a railroad line have more than two terminals, one at the end of each linel? Everything along the line would be a way station, wouldn't it, no matter how busy?
al-in-chgo How can a railroad line have more than two terminals, one at the end of each linel? Everything along the line would be a way station, wouldn't it, no matter how busy?
Also, think about the CNW system in Omaha: the C&NW used the UP station, and the Omaha road used its own station for the trains that came down west of the Missouri.
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B&O, PRR, NYC, IC, SF, UP and possibly RI.
Can you name the stations and the reasons for the two stations in each case? Need not be complete but give it a try.
I have my doubts about the UP (did not serve Chicago, just through trains on other railroads), and you did leave out one very different but obvious one. Hint: The one left out had most trains running through a downtown or near-Loop terminal to terminate at the opposite side of the city from where its trains came from.
daveklepperCan you name the stations and the reasons for the two stations in each case? Need not be complete but give it a try.
I'll start with the NYC.
Most of its trains running on the former Lake Shore and Michigan Southern used La Salle Street Station and its BigFour subsidiary Chicago-Cincinnati trains used Central Station because those trains utilized IC trackage between Chicago and Kankakee.
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But Michigan Southern also used the IC Central Station at the time. Except possibly one thorugh train from NYC. But please continue. Any one else know the obvious one left out?
daveklepperBut Michigan Southern also used the IC Central Station at the time. Except possibly one thorugh train from NYC. But please continue. Any one else know the obvious one left out?
Are you thinking of Michigan Central? I forgot to include them in my previous post - they also used Central Station.
Illinois Central commuter trains at the old depot on Randolph Street.
http://transportation.northwestern.edu/docs/2006/2006.07.17.Carlson.Publication.pdf
Excuse me, I thought Michigan Southern must be the name of the Michigan Central line into Illinois, but apparently you are teaching it was something else. Yes, the Michigan Central used the IC Central Station except for one through train to and from NYC which used Lasall. And yes, the IC through trains used Central Station as terminal but the suburban trains, both before and after electrficaiton, used Randolph Street.
I am still looking for the name of the Class I which had some of its trains terminating in a station reasonably close to the Loop but had almost as many going through Chicago to a suburban community still withing Chicago limits. Hint: At the latter point it shared a yard.
WAG Chicago & North Western. I remember reading somewhere that in addition to Northwestern terminal, C&NW was still using the original Wells St(?) Terminal.
Rgds IGN
PS If I get it right, I tend to have infrequent net access, whilst I follow the column I don't have the ability to post. So please feel free to continue without me. Thx IGN
This is good information if anyone knows exactly when Northwestern's Wells St. Terminal was abandoned.
I am looking for another answer, however. Note that Wells Street was another near-loop terminal, not a suburban part of Chicago. And there was any shared yard there.
Further hint. Ocassionally operated one-coach trains. Also regular ran school extras.
South Shore? According to the book Interurban Era Chicago,South Shore, & South Bend had a terminal where they met IC. In addition they also used IC's terminal (Randolf St) ?
I believe that the answer is the Chicago Aurora and Elgin which operated out of Wells Street terminal until 1955; I think. I only rode the CA&E once in November of 1953 out to Wheaton Illinois. We took the CTA to make a connection with the CA&E and did not ride from Wells Street. I did encounter the CA&E in Wheaton a number of times between 1952 and 1956,they often operated only a single coach in the 1950's
In the period under consideration, all C&AE trains that operated into Chicago operated only into the Well Street Temrinal and did not terminate anywhere else. The cutback you experienced in 1953 was do to the Congress Expressway construction, the abandonment of the Congress elevated structure, and the operation of the CTA trains at ground level with C&AE trinas not acommodated. CA&E quit passenger service altogether shortly afterward.
The South Shore trains that ran into Chicago used only the Randolph Street Terminal. Some service may have turned at Kensington, but I would question whether that could be considered running into Chicago.
The give away hints. This class I railroad ran a train schedules and named specifically to connect with the New York bound 20th Century Limited. And actually during the period discussed it could technicalliy and accurately be described as having three Chicago terminals.
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daveklepperThe give away hints. This class I railroad ran a train schedules and named specifically to connect with the New York bound 20th Century Limited. And actually during the period discussed it could technicalliy and accurately be described as having three Chicago terminals.
It sounds like the North Shore Line. It's Eastern Limited from Milwaukee was timed to provide a good connection to the Century. And the three Chicago terminals could be:
- Roosevelt Road
- Adams and Wabash
- Howard Street
correct except that Howard Street may technically in Chicago, but it is hardly a Chicago terminal, being the border with Evanston. The third and regularly used terminal at the time, 1929-1930, was JACKSON PARK!!!! Where the North Shore shared the CRT ("L") yard and had a commisary to stock the dining cars. Most Milwaukee expresses at the time used Jackson Park and made selected stops on the South Side. Most other trains used Roosevelt Road. Some moring rush hour trains ran all the way around the loop to deliver workers directly to Wabash Avenue and Lake Street Loop addresses, lost their identity at Adams and Wabash, and proceeded to Roosevelt Road or Jackson Park as extras with white flags. I believe this sort of oepration continued to the end of service in 1963. Howard Street was the southern terminal for Waukegan and Highwood Shore Line Locals that provided something like streetcar service, often using wood equipment, some still not modified with tapered ends to operate over the "L" into Chicago. Often these were one-car trains. If no one can provide definite information on other railroads than the North Shore, the New York Central System, and the Illinois Central, yours is the next question.
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