Southern was a part owner of most of the lines. Southern Railway Systems would add these lines to her system.
Bob did get the name of the company; this morning, I guessed "Southern Express Company," and found nothing on it.
I looked the Southeastern Express Company up in the January, 1930, issue of the Guide, and found that it was operated over twenty companies (including tthree steamship lines) .
Southern Railway System Lines, M&O, A&W, Atlantic & Yadkin, Augustan Norhten, Bamberg, Ehrhardt & Walterboro, Chesapeake Steamship Co., Columbus and Greenville, Georgia, Ashburn, Sylvester & Camilla, L&C, Ma & Pa, Merchants & Miners Transportation Co (steamship?), Miss. & Ala., Miss. Southern, Norfolk and Mobjack Bay Steamship CO., Sheffield Co., Smithfield, Newport News & Norfolk Steamship CO., South Georgia, Tennessee Central, & Washington-Baltimore & Annapolis Electric R. R.
But, the Frisco is not listed.
Johnny
I've been missing a few lately...mmmmm...need to book it up a bit BUT...this one I know...at least "most" of it because
I HAVE DRAWINGS OF SOME OF THE CARS.
Southeastern Express Company founded by the Southern Railway System. Roads that used SExpress - well, some are SOUTHERN, MOBILE & OHIO, FRISCO. I'd be guessing at the rest.
The most curious thing about SExpress was it's herald.
It was a swastika ! Long before that had "other" connotations.
Could it have been the New Haven RR? New England Transportation Co. On these Roads...NYC&StL, W&LE, P&WV, WM, RDG, CNJ, L&HR, NYNH&H, commonly known as the alphabet lines?....Mike
During WW1 the USRA forced independent express companies to merge into the American Railway Express Co. In the post war period the ban on individual railroads competing with Railway Express was lifted and around 1920 at least one major railroad reentered the express business and formed a subsidiary company offering express shipment services over its system and a number of smaller connecting railroads. What was this railroad and what was the name of its subsidary express company? Name at least five of the connecting railroads over whose lines this company offered express service.
Mark
What through me off from giving the same answer was your statement that it was switched from steam to diesel. I believe the cable room was switched directly from steam to electricity. Still, I'll enjoy waiting for the next question. No problem.
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/CA1237/
KCSfan The cable cars of the San Francisco Municipal Railway (Muni) are 3'-6" gauge. The first line was built in 1873 and of course the operation is a major tourist attraction today. The system survived the 1906 earthquake and has undergone several rebuilds, the most recent being in 1982 IIRC. The cables were originally powered by steam engines but electric motors are used today. I don't know if diesel power was ever used but with that exception the Muni fits all parameters of the original question and subsequent hints. Mark
The cable cars of the San Francisco Municipal Railway (Muni) are 3'-6" gauge. The first line was built in 1873 and of course the operation is a major tourist attraction today. The system survived the 1906 earthquake and has undergone several rebuilds, the most recent being in 1982 IIRC. The cables were originally powered by steam engines but electric motors are used today. I don't know if diesel power was ever used but with that exception the Muni fits all parameters of the original question and subsequent hints.
When the cable car system was rebuilt in the 1980's it went from wood ties(a lot of untreated redwood) and jointed rail to a reinforced concrete guideway with continuos welded rail. When the old rail was pulled out there was alot that actually predated the earthquake of 1906. I can remember friends showing me rail that was over100 years old. I also remeber any number of rail pieces that had less then 1/8" of head(? the top part were the wheel rides).
The system rode thru the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake without any major damage.
SF's Municipal Ry in the lastg 2 years especially has been very apprecitive of having as many electric lines as it has.(The cable cars as I said are now run by electric motors, in addition the city has a large fleet of electric buses, as well as the electric streetcar lines)
The next question is yours Mark.
Thx IGN
The Huntsville & Lake of Bays uses steam locomotives.
What I am looking for uses electric motors.
Rgds IGN
The Manitou & Pikes Peak is a standard gauge operation(4'8 1/2") also it uses self propelled diesel railcars.
I think it is still diesel and it is the Manitou and Pikes Peak.
No not what I am looking for.
I will admit to some obfuscation in the question.
1st clue . This operation has evolved into a major tourist attraction.
The Huntsville and Lake of Bays is 42" gauge, but I don't think this is the answer.
Not US Borax. Thought that was a 3 footer. As is US Gypsums Plastrr City operation.
As I said the gauge is the give away.
If no one gets it tonite by 1am ET I throw a clue or two out there.
Um is it U.S. Borax co.?
OK. I will try for something simple. In the 1880's a narrow gauge railwaywas built with a gauge of 3' 6". Inspite of mergers, a natural disaster, and a complete rebuild. It still operates today.
This is I think the only 3'6" railway in the US and I suspect in North America. Originally it was steam powered, Then for a number of years diesel powered. Currently if I remember correctly it is an electric operation.
narig01 Please do not tell me it was the Chicago River & Indiana. I did not think this was a class 1 RR The only reason it occured to m was the article in CT Working on the Railroad. The article is by a tower operator who worked for B&OCT. rgds ign
Please do not tell me it was the Chicago River & Indiana. I did not think this was a class 1 RR The only reason it occured to m was the article in CT Working on the Railroad. The article is by a tower operator who worked for B&OCT.
rgds ign
You're right, it was CR&I, which was a Class 1 under the definition at the time of annual revenues of $3,000,000. There was a brief period in the early 1960's when CR&I unloaded its Winton switchers and had an all-Lima roster until parent NYC transferred some EMD switchers from itself and IHB to CR&I.
narig01, you get to ask the next question since you were the first correct answer.
When the New York Central (which controlled the CR&I) dieselized the CR&I they bought all the locomotives from one source Lima. Sometime in the 1950's CR&I did get more power from IHB in the form of EMD. I am trying to remember where I read this.
As I said I did not think CR&I was a class 1.
thx IGN
A real stumper in fact. But a good questions...I know I've heard the answer as a footnote to a story or article once...just....can't.....think.........
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Can't be the CR&I. They had SW's on their roster passed down from the IHB. This one's a booger.
Cincy had Limas...but they also had SW8's.
I'm stumped
KCSfan Elgin Joliet & Eastern Mark
Elgin Joliet & Eastern
EJ&E didn't have any Lima diesels on its roster.
narig01 Chicago & ( something) . New York Central subsidary. I did not think they were a class 1 or 1
Chicago & ( something) . New York Central subsidary. I did not think they were a class 1 or 1
You're getting close.
TRRA in St Louis. Thought they also had some Baldwins. Rgds IGN
Peoria and Peking Union
This is one at least I should remember. If no one answers I'll be back at the house next week and look it up. For what is is worth I think this road was mentioned in the 2nd Diesel Spotters Guide.
PS Pittsburg area?
narig01 WAG Minneapolis, Northfield & Southern ? Or Norfolk Southern( the RR from Norfolk, that ran to NC). thx IGN
WAG Minneapolis, Northfield & Southern ? Or Norfolk Southern( the RR from Norfolk, that ran to NC).
WAG was famous for its ex-Ford GE's. MN&S rostered FM's and Baldwins, but no Lima's. The original NS was noted for its Baldwins and GP18's, no Lima's.
Hint, it's a switching/terminal railroad.
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