I did not know that the Rock used tank engines. Replacing them with donwgraded road power was modernization? Or was the modernization replacing wood open platform cars with steel vestibuled cars? (The Al Capones)
The IC and RI Blue Island stations are still both on Vermont Street, but on opposite sides of the street.
Correct. IC's station was across the street fom RI's before electrification. IC shortened the the line a couple of hundred feet since they no longer needed a run around track.
Blue Island - The Rock Island had two routes to Blue Island from LaSalle St. Station and the IC had a commuter branch running to Blue Island from a junction with the main line at or near 115th St., Kensington.
Mark
Two suburban operations served the same city from stations about 9/10ths of a mile apart. Trains from one took two possible routes to this suburban location, where branch line trains of the other terminated across the street. Before both companies upgraded their suburban operations in the 1920s, most trains of both companies arrived and left behind tank engines.
You've got it, Rob. The MO&G's Baldwin built 2-6-6-2's were numbered 300-304. Midland Valley No. 4 was the 2-8-0 Camelback.
Missouri, Oklahoma and Gulf (Later Kansas, Oklahoma and Gulf) had five Baldwin 2-6-6-2 compounds built in 1912. They worked in the still-active Oklahoma coal district. KO&G was part of the Muskogee group with the Midland Valley and Oklahoma City-Ada-Atoka lines. I'm not sure which of the others had a camelback, since looking up "Midland Valley" gets about a million hits on the U.K. line of the same name.
The area served by this road does not immediately come to mind as a coal mining region. Nevertheless, hauling coal from mines on its own and connecting lines was a big part of its traffic. The parent company which owned this and other railroads also owned coal mines.
Chicago Great Western bought 10 2-6-6-2s, quickly dumped them on the Clinchfield, which used them for less than 10 years. On the other hand CGW's operation was bigger than 300 miles.
The Chicago and Alton had three 2-6-6-2's that I could find.
rcdrye The Wheeling and Lake Erie had some 2-6-6-2 Mallets from Alco(Brooks) and Baldwin, used them on mine runs in Ohio. They also had at least three 4-6-0 camelbacks at one time, which were eventually rebuilt into conventional cab-at-rear engines. Four of the Baldwin 2-6-6-2's lasted long enough to get Nickel Plate numbers 940-943.
The Wheeling and Lake Erie had some 2-6-6-2 Mallets from Alco(Brooks) and Baldwin, used them on mine runs in Ohio. They also had at least three 4-6-0 camelbacks at one time, which were eventually rebuilt into conventional cab-at-rear engines. Four of the Baldwin 2-6-6-2's lasted long enough to get Nickel Plate numbers 940-943.
Close but no cigar, Rob. Go west young man.
The railroad that owned the Mallets was a "Family Line" long before the L&N, SCL, Clinchfield, et al ever joined to form the Family Lines.
I think it's surprising that a midwestern road with just over 300 miles of light traffic density trackage would have five Mallets.
These engines were featured in an advertisement by their builder that was headed:
"MALLET LOCOMOTIVES for HEAVY TRAINS on LIGHT TRACKS"
The ad went on to say:
"Heavy trains can be hauled over light tracks by using Mallet locomotives. The result is economical operation, because double heading is avoided and the number of train movements necessary to handle a given tonnage is reduced."
"The locomotive illustrated is used on 70-pound rails, and has a handling capacity of 3,000 tons on grades of 0.6 per cent"
KCSfan You'd hardly expect to see compound articulated mallets running in the central mid-west but one small Class I road had five of them. What was the railroad and the wheel arrangement and builder of these engines? Mark A very closely allied railroad had a camelback 2-8-0. Hard to imagine both malleys and a camelback running in the heartland. Mark
You'd hardly expect to see compound articulated mallets running in the central mid-west but one small Class I road had five of them. What was the railroad and the wheel arrangement and builder of these engines?
A very closely allied railroad had a camelback 2-8-0. Hard to imagine both malleys and a camelback running in the heartland.
I vaguely remember a story in "Trains" about which Class 1 dieselized first. There was quite a discussion as to whether of not the TEXMEX was a Class 1 at that time.
The MNS and the MTFR were among the first railroads in the Twin Cities to dieselize.
Ed Burns
KCSfan Would this be CGW No's 41 and 42, the Blue Bird, which ran between Minneapolis and Rochester? Mark
Would this be CGW No's 41 and 42, the Blue Bird, which ran between Minneapolis and Rochester?
It sure would. Probably the only McKeen-built equipment fitted out with Pullman sections and a buffet. Of course CGW managed to time its introduction well, right about the time of the stock market crash. The train was only in service for about a year.
To service what was (for it) a major passenger traffic point, this railroad built a motor train out of its entire fleet of former McKeen motor cars plus a second-hand one, the power car re-engined by EMC.
The Texas Mexican is correct and as Northwest has stated it was a Class I. The last of the Whitcomb's were actually delivered in early 1939.
Davide RitaroseHi: new here: I worked as Locomotive Engineer for CN Railway and worked on freight trains leaving Montreal over Victoria Bridge going to Island Pond VT; St. Albans VT; Massena NY; and Rouses Pte NY. I also worked for many years on Amtrak "Montrealer" to St. Albans.
Hi: new here:
I worked as Locomotive Engineer for CN Railway and worked on freight trains leaving Montreal over Victoria Bridge going to Island Pond VT; St. Albans VT; Massena NY; and Rouses Pte NY. I also worked for many years on Amtrak "Montrealer" to St. Albans.
TM was a Class I. The Whitcombs were essentially mechanically VO660s, and had the rather odd wheel arrangement of 'D'.
KCSfan What was the first Class I railroad to completely dieselize? Name both the road and the year dieselization was completed. Mark
What was the first Class I railroad to completely dieselize? Name both the road and the year dieselization was completed.
If the Texas-Mexican was a class I in 1938 then it was the first, with Whitcomb box cabs.
I worked as Locomotive Engineer for CN Railway and worked on freight trains leaving Montreal over Victoria Bridge going to Island Pond VT; St. Albans VT; Massena NY; and Rouses Pte NY. I also worked for many years on Amtrak "Montrealer" to St. Albans VT.
Just to put the cherry on the cake I also ran those electic communter trains under Mont Royal tunnel. Both the old 25'000 volt trains (box cabs etc. and took my retirement (last run) on the new electric communter train.
So: Yes Amtrack the Montrealer which went to St. Albans VT and along the east side of Lake Champlain (and also the Amtrak crews which went to Rouses Pte hense New York NY along the west side of Lake Champlain) went from Central Station over Victoria Bridge. When Windsor (CPR) station was open to inter city passenger trains that Amtrack via Rouses Pte NY left Windsor ststion and crossed the CPR bridge at Lachine via the first nation Mohawk territory. All CN freight trains to the US and east went over Victoria bridge.
The Massena subdivision was closed and I took a differnet route later, Kingston Subdivision to Coteau down to the Con Rail (NYC) at Valleyfield to Huntingdon back on the old CN track (Massena sub) which was sold to CR onwards to Massena NY.
Electric: Yes there was only yards in lenght on Victoria bridge at the west end (on the Montreal side) as the electric was from Central Station to Bridge Street (The wire extended a little on the bridge. Then west ward to Turcot Yards (the old Tutcot) The westward wye from Central Station to Turcot. Also a six mile extention from EJ Tower (East Junction) off the Mont Royal Sub to Montreal North (Nord).
CN 25,000 never crossed Victoria bridge.
However the Montreal & Southern Counties Railway (former SER South Eastern Railway) went all the way across Victoria Bridge towards downtown terminal at McGill street.
KCSfan The Rutland. The ICC Act of 1887 as amended by the Panama Canal Act of 1915. William Seward Webb. Mark
The Rutland.
The ICC Act of 1887 as amended by the Panama Canal Act of 1915.
William Seward Webb.
Mark got all of the key answers. The museum is the Shelburne Museum in Shelburne VT. CV artifacts include a 4-6-0 and business car Grand Isle. Dr. Webb was willing to try for the Governor's office in either Vermont or New York, but didn't get anywhere in either one. His Daughter Electra founded the Museum.
wanswheelGovernor Smith always called himself ‘Gregory,’ or J. Gregory Smith
In later years he seemed to prefer "Governor".
On to the next question...
A famous museum which has a few Central Vermont artifacts is the indirect result of Governor Smith's ascent through railroads to the Governor's office. Name the railroad controlled for a while by Vanderbilt interests to further a son-in-law's political ambitions in emulation of Governor Smith. Bonus for the museum. Extra bonus for naming the federal act that pushed the Vanderbilts to dump the property (no, it wasn't the Sherman Anti-trust Act...). Even bigger bonus for the son-in-law...
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