I presume I get to ask the next question. But I should point out that at times, SusiQ did rent Erie coaches. Still, I may be wrong about end-points. And maybe those particular coaches were not air-conditioned!
I wonder hoe much marketing about the improvement that the Virginian did.
Susquehanna and CGW passenger service lasted into the 1960s
Susquehanna had its own A/C cars (RDCs and ACF railcars). CGW's own cars had ice A/C. Eventually CGW got a couple of ex-Milwaukee coaches from the 1935 Hiawatha with electromechanical A/C, which were used until 1965.
This leaves the Virginian. N&W PJ-class coaches were leased from mid-1955 until the end of service in response to an ICC order to upgrade the service to see if ridership would improve (it didn't). The last-day trains on January 29, 1956 had PA 4-6-2s, a VGN Baggage-RPO and two N&W coaches each. Virginian shared the endpoint cities of Roanoke and Norfolk with the N&W.
Possibilities include the Susquahana, the Chicago Great Western, and the Virginian
Continuing with passenger trains in the classic tradition... The last runs of this railroad's passenger trains in the mid 1950s carried coaches borrowed from a railroad with its own passenger service between the trains' endpoints. The borrowed coaches were air-conditioned, as a train-off request was turned into an evaluation period by regulators. In the end, ridership numbers didn't change at all.
rcdrye The legendary New York Ontario and Western's Mountaineer.
The legendary New York Ontario and Western's Mountaineer.
Right train and road. The Old and Weary's maroon and black with orange striping "stream styled" 4-8-2's were attractive engines.
Mark
You got there first! With repainted wood-sheathed cars! The NYO&W did not own any steel coaches.
Occasionally some would be borrowed from the West Shore.
In the late 1930's what impoverished railroad upgraded its one name train which included Otto Kuhler designed semi-streamlining of its steam locomotives? Name the railroad, and the train.
Correct. B&M (and, more rarely NYC) coaches had occasionally operated through as early as about 1938, but the Rutland got its own A/C coaches used from the Pere Marquette in 1946. My best guess is that they were "Ice" A/C, though I haven't been able to confirm it. Of course Pullmans on the Mount Royal were air conditioned before 1946.
Back to Judah Street - like Church Street it does have boarding islands for the LRVs but the traffic lane isn't reserved. It does have an HOV diamond painted on it at intervals (at least in some areas), but cars are often found there.
Your question, Mark!
The Rutland. The Green Mountain Flyer and Mount Royal received air conditioned coaches in 1946.
You're in the right neighborhood.
Either Central Vermont or Bangor and Aroostick. Probably the CV, with the assumption by the author off that book that any air-conditioned cars, not PRR, HYNH&H, or B&M on the CV were actually CN cars. And for the most part, they were. But CV probably owned a few, and CN would not be above having them all serve on the Grand Trunk or Grand Trunk Western with hardly a visit to their own railroad!
Maine Central had some AC equipped heavyweights (besides, MEC's P-S cars came in 1947!). In at least one history of the road I'm looking for it was stated that it never owned any A/C coaches.
rcdrye This northeastern carrier finally got its own air-conditioned coaches in 1946, though it had been operating AC coaches at least occasionally in its through trains since the late 1930s.
This northeastern carrier finally got its own air-conditioned coaches in 1946, though it had been operating AC coaches at least occasionally in its through trains since the late 1930s.
Johnny
My reading of the Hungerford 1911 book is the Judah was the one who got the others interested in the project. So perhaps it is a just reward that there is at least a street railway (OK, "light rail" today) on the street named for him.
i understand that for the most part this is now a reserved "transit lane" route, and that there are pavement differences that define the RoW within the street, Emergency vehicles allowed, of course.
For many years from the city end of the Twin Peak and Sunset Tunnels, the latter used by the N, Judah line, the N ran down Market to the Ferry Terminal. With the introduction of PCC cars, it was rerouted to the loop to the Transbay Terminal, by then a bus terminal and not an interurban if my memory of dates is correct. It and the J Church line were the last to be rereouted into the subway with then-new Boeing cars, the three Twin Peaks lines were rerouted first.
Await rc's question
They did a little better in Oakland. Crocker and Huntington got streets, Stanford got an Avenue. Hopkins only got a Place. Judah got nothing.
"None of the big four have a major San Francisco street named after them"
Now we know what the people in San Francisco thought of the big four. Apparently they thought more of Judah, who looked for a feasible route over the Sierra Nevada.
Judah wasn't one of the big four (he died before the CP got underway), but SF Muni's N line is on the street named for him. The N line traverses the Embarcadero from the CalTrain station, Market Street subway and the Sunset Tunnel before street running on Judah to Ocean Beach. Some of the trackage near the west end of the Sunset Tunnel was jointly operated withthe Market Street Railway until it was absobed by Muni in 1944.
What about Theodor(?) Judah's role?
None of the big four have a major San Francisco street named after them.
Stanford St is a one way alley between Brannan and Townsend. It is only a block from the site of the former SP Depot.
Crocker Avenue runs south from Mission near the city line. It may have had a Market St. Ry line at one time.
Hopkins Ave is a one block connecter in the Twin Peaks area. One of Muni's two tunnels may go under it for all I can tell.
Huntington Drive is in a development near the Zoo. Huntington Park is at California and Taylor, served by the California Street Cable Car.
Name the founders of the Central Pacific Railroad, the location of the San Francisco streets names after them, and the specific transit line on each street. Optional extra, the history of each of the transit lines as well as you can without overwhelming research.
Dave, you are correct and get the next question.
The government-owned section was the National Transcontinental Railway. Grand Trunk Pacific built from Winnipeg to Prince Rupert with government help, and the NTR was built by the government to connect the GTP with the main Grand Trunk system. GT was to take over the NTR, but, being essentially bankrupt, did not. The NTR cost several times the estimated cost, partly due to the failure of the Quebec Bridge twice, and so the GT refused. Shortly after, the government took over GT and merged it with CN, leaving GTW, CV and GT out due to the border crossings. The St. Clair Tunnel was constructed by GT when it was still private, nationalization occured in the early 1920s.
rdcry's answer is also correct, except that Souothern, not NS later, did obtaini ownership, which my understanding of your question rules out.
I think the answer is Grand Trunk and Grand Trunk Western, but the precise junction points elulde me at the moment. I think the St. Clair tunnel was the big government expense.
From and including the tunnel all the way to Montreal?
Dave, you are on the right track. After the government took over the system, two distinct parts of the system retained their original names.
This sounds like the Southern Railway's main line, spliced in the middle by the North Carolina Railroad, still leased by NS.
I think this was the case with one of the railroads that eventually became part of the Canadian Government owned Canadian National, but had some private ownership in general just before.
Was this in Canada, not the USA?
Thanks, Dave. Your questions are quite a challenge, but that is what makes them so fun. It is interesting that despite the rather close location, they were never connected, though I suspect that this arrangement was always intended to be temporary.
Alright, for the next question:
This railroad system consisted of two parts that were connected by a long government-owned section. This was intended to be taken over by the system, but was refused due to high construction costs.
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