Right then-back for the proper stuff-guess there are goods & bads-don`t need to use many of the subtler functions so wouldn`t notice too much change-what does appear-everything is now much larger-cant fit the whole page onto my screen width-minor niggle-on the plus side pix reproduction is vastly improved-up for that -not yet convinced that it is not change for it`s own sake.....time will tell.
Sooooo-Leon,don`t just stand there gawping at ROB-get some beers organised...chop-chop..
O.K-lets to it:-
ALLAN-thanks for the run-down on local modelling-sounds like an interesting `scene`-would like to see the L&B models Are the 3`6" models built in 4mm ?-5mm would give a pretty close ratio,as would 3mm (TT of blessed memory ) on N track....
ROB-Glad you enjoyed some quality family time-Fine job yourself with the pix-fairly leap off the screen with the new format...
Should I mention that the next couplet of that Floyd song starts " No dark sarcasm".........
Have never studied H&H`s laptops-the rhino-hide carry cases are off putting enough.......
ERIC-Llewellyn is one of the Vale of Rheidol 2 footers ,sister to this one
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Hope the layout notes are of use-havn`t yet run the sequence so if you spot any obvious flaws please point them out
Was going for the road less travelled with the quiz....Very interesting `cold war` notes-good stuff
excellent pix also-dare I suggest that one of them is a fine mug-shot......
R.E the `new order`-Keep trying mate-don`t want to lose ya-your contribution is too valuable...sleep on it mate.......
TOM-Hows yer man there ?-Am sure we can ride out the slings and arrows of outrageous formatting -although as noted above the pix are looking grand-that 2-10-4 comes across as a true monster-suspect the pix are responsible for the pagination issue-larger images take up more space ......
FERGIE-Glad you made it back-hope the trip was worth the effort.....
Right-gonna post this then get on with the `progress` pix from the layout
BRB
This is crazy! When I posted I was brought right back to page 1 of this thread! Same thing happened when I posted the first post today. When typing this reply I can't see all features that I could see typing my last post a few minutes ago. Received your mail Tom, I'll reply to it tonight when I get home.
Eric
G'day Gents!
Back again with more Acknowledgments before getting back to MY life . . . <grin>
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Page 47 Eric <EricX2000> at 1:54 PM <11:54 AM Sandbox time>: I'm sure hoping you've had a change of heart. Email sent - no response <yet>. Can't have "Our" Place without YOU! Can't even imagine this joint without our Resident Desert Almost-Retired Swede! <triple geesh>
When it comes to guys who have clearly demonstrated a willingness to support this place, you're right at the top. So, let's try to work through this latest roadblock by our "hosts."
Page 47 – Fergie <Fergmiester> at 1:57 PM <3:57 ADT>: And who to our eyes should appear - our Resident Canadian Maritime Mariner - home from the ‘wilds' of Ontario!
Yeah, it's gonna take a bit of this ‘n that before we get ourselves righted. That "wave" took us a wee bit by surprise - but, she's a good ship ‘n we're nearly back on course. <grin>
Visit, chat ‘n ROUND most appreciated! <clink>
Page 47 – Nick <nickinwestwales> at 5:08 PM <11:08 PM GMT>: Man oh man, if ever we could use a HAPPY FACE - guess who showed up Mighty Man Nick!
Didn't expect ya - but happy to have ya! That tankard over there is YOURS! <clink>
Fine foto as well - this Toy ‘n Model Trains Day is a ‘wash' for Moi . . . far too much going on trying to figure out how I get my archives full o' pre-worked Posts to "fit" the new requirements. Far, far too much to grasp in one session . . . Anyway, many thanx for the CHEER!
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Tom
Good afternoon Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Hi Leon, just a cup of coffee and a cheese danish, please!
Just a quick stop. For whatever reason it seems to work a little bit better now. The cursor shows up in different places all the time but the text seems to end up where it is supposed to be.
I'll try a picture as well.
It shows up, but I can't type below it.
Now I will try to add the picture after I'm done typing. I think that worked. This is crazy.
Well howdy all-I made it back in (I Think)-havn`t noticed too many differences yet-pix reproduction seems vastly improved-in fact,lets try one to test the water--Leon I`ll take a beer with the bossman please
Hmm-that seemed to work well enough
back in a bit
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Back again on this rather topsy-turvy day - this time to complete the Acknowledgments left hanging earlier in the day . . .
Page 47 <old 35> – Allan <Gunneral> at 9:20 PM <3:20 PM Wednesday NZ DST>: I haven't resorted to the magnifiers yet - but do have one of those headsets for close-up modeling work. With me it's more the pain ‘n loss of dexterity in my thumbs ‘n index fingers. Eye sight ain't the best, but still able to make out the detail stuff - but begging to blurrrrrrrrr. <grin> Ain't getting old just a grand time <groan>
As always, many thanx for taking the time ‘n making the effort! ROUND helps too!!! <grin>
Page 47 <old 35> – Rob <trolleyboy> at 11:20 PM ‘n 11:50 PM <12:20 AM ‘n 12:50 AM Wednesday EDT>: A two-fer from our "busy" Manager. Figured you succumbed to the Thanksgiving festivities, but certainly NOT because of a follow-up election day. Now I've heard it all! <geesh> HOWEVER, glad you had a fine holiday ‘n now <hopefully> back with US!
That Foto-spate of yours is 4.0 <top shelf>! Enjoyed ‘em all . . . even the Chunnel Chugger looks good! <grin>
Dual visits appreciated as were the ROUND-Z!
Page 47 <old 35> – Eric <EricX2000> at mid-nite <10 AM Sandbox time>: Totally blew my mind on your explanation of why I didn't win! Oh well - I wuz robbed! Then you called me stupid! Man - guess I'm just a loser, eh So much for offering my two-cents worth ‘round here! <geesh> <groan> <moan> <bratzafratz>
Hey! Just kidding - I KNOW you weren't referring to ME as stupid - or were you Hmmmmm. <grin>
So, I "won" the Ice Train quiz! When does the prize arrive My own, custom observation dome car. How thoughtful! <grin>
I know of those waters you spoke of - saw some E. German gun boats in that area as we headed to W. Germany from your former part of the world back in 1971 . . .
Call of Trains narrative will most probably be included in one of my feature series on my modest hard cover library . . . but of course, later . . .
Many thanx for the fotos, visit, chat ‘n ROUND!
Later <maybe!>
Good to see the return of Fergie- sad to note Eric's comments. Hope we can work these changes out to everyone's satisifaction. Otherwise, as our <GoR> has already given the OKAY - we can move the bar.
I'm exasperated as well. I tried to put up a prepared in advance formatted Post - 'n it took 5 times to realize that I have lots to relearn and REDO. That isn't sitting well. Talking 'bout colors - font sizes - margins <center>, etc. Kinda takes the winds outta the sails. BUT, we'll get there!
Ruth- give 'em all a belt on Da Bossman!
Good Afternoon Captain Tom and Crew!
I'll have the Afternoon Special with a cold Keith's and provide libation as required!
Yes I am back from our Southern Ontario Soujurn via the train... Anyway I will post some fotos in the not so distant future after I get them down loaded.
Before I go though... Rob~! Sorry we didn't connect, saying that, I left you something with John at the LHS. Though he may not be willing to part with it
Anyway I shall return at a later time either today or tomorrow.
Keep the Change
Fergie
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959
If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
I am out of here. They managed to screw up everything again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For one unknown stupid reason I can't use the browser I could use until early this morning and I refuse to download another browser because of Kalnmbach. Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!! This is it, thank you Kalmbach for nothing!
This is just a test to see if things "work" for Moi as we transition into the NEW from the OLD. Been there done that, eh gang
Anyway, I see our Page number has leap frogged from where we left off . . . we were at 35 when things were shut down. Now . . . oh well, just a bit closer to LOCKDOWN! <yikes>
Trying to figure out the nuances . . . there seems to be all kinds of oddities. Use the FAQ button to help you along - and I also note that there's some "help" in the Announcements section . . .
Okay - let's see what's this . . . .
Oh yeah - I had to log off 'n log back on in order to get the full flavor of the new system. Doesn't hurt to do it . . .
AND I see Fergie logged on!
Later!
<In my modest hardcover RR book library!>
Wednesday's Witticism
A full house divided wins no pot.
Mid-week in mid-continent USA where the rains are on the way. Not a good day for digging, according to "those" who make the predictions. Anyway - breakfasts, coffee ‘n pastries are ready. Are you
This should be a ‘down day' at the bar - so perhaps those of you who give a Rat's Patoot can get a leg up on the remainder of your week's submissions! <grin>
Customer Recognition (until my next Acknowledgments)
Tuesday - October 14th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 35 - Nick <nickinwestwales> at 8:20 PM <2:20 AM Wednesday GMT>:
TO BE CONTINUED
Page 35 - Allan <Gunneral> at 9:20 PM <3:20 PM Wednesday NZ DST>:
Page 35 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 11:20 PM ‘n 11:50 PM <12:20 AM ‘n 12:50 AM Wednesday EDT>:
Page 35 - Eric <EricX2000> at mid-nite <10 AM Sandbox time>:
Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
Thursday is Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!
Dinner begins at 5 PM so come early ‘n often!
Cindy is our Saturday bartender!
Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, I'll just have a cold Tui, please. Not hungry tonight.
Time for a break here at Our Place! Always nice to relax for a while.
Nick – Thanks for the Irish photos! Frames of Llewellyn, what kind of steam locomotive is (was) that? I’ve copied your text so I have your starting points for the trains! Give me a few days and I’ll check it against the layout! Thank you very much! Sorry, but V200 is not correct. It is the ICE train. Tom – I saw that you mentioned the brakes being tight, but the point is/was that there were any brakes at all on the lead truck wheels.Instead my Congratulations for winning the 2nd Quiz!!! The ICE train is correct! Free drinks for you the rest of the week!! I and some other people were invited to the German Railways in Hamburg in the fall of 1990 to have a look at the ICE train before it entered revenue service. Very interesting! Hurricane Turn Train! That was a good name! I am going to see if I can find more info on ARR. It’s an interesting railroad. I saw something about plans to connect ARR with the Canadian railroads. Imagine taking the train from St. Louis to Fairbanks!! I can’t accept that websites are designed for a certain web browser only. That is stupidity. Sorry, but my feelings are very strong. The photo of the “way to Mentor Village” was taken outside Boone, IA. I was stationed at a Navy radar station for a month. It was very interesting. The station was on the southern coast of Sweden and one afternoon we could see more and more East German ships (Motor Torpedo Boats) circling north of the East German coast. At the same time we had 15-20 East German fishing boats anchored just outside Swedish waters, obviously checking our radar station. After a few hours the MTBs started a run straight north toward the Swedish coast line at a pretty high rate of speed. They were followed by other, larger, vessels. It looked like it was some kind of attack. The Swedish Air Force scrambled and sent some jet fighters to investigate and show that we knew they were coming. They flew over the MTBs at a very low altitude. With about one mile to the border the East Germans turned around and went back. Interesting, to say the least. Hudson locomotives! Very good looking type of locomotive. Thanks for the pictures and info!!I hope you will give us a report on that book, Call of Trains, after Christmas!Allan – Yes, those restaurants are gready! Like most of the American airlines are now, charging extra for everything. One airline even charges for water to drink! It’s pathetic! Yes, you are right, it’s the ICE train! Since you are on the other side of the world I’ll give you free drinks for two days!CM3 – Yes, as I mentioned earlier today, I would say it is very unusual with brakes on the lead truck wheels on a steam locomotive. Sent a snow picture? I just wanted to make Tom feel good, to be happy! That rotor looks very bad. Fried is a good word for it. Rob – Sorry, but X2000 is not correct. It is the German ICE train.
The ICE train.
And, finally, the X2000 control stand.
Round for the house!
Right Leon I'm back again set up another round if you would be so kind.I'll repost the missing Sunday photo spread for you guys and critters. It was nice to see the Larsman pop in for his monthly exercise / business meeting stop by foreside chat with the gang. As always heartfelt comments and many good books to puruse from the bookmobile So without further adieu
A couple CLRV's in the Queens Park Loop ( 2005 )
A shot Tom will enjoy.VIA train 93 in the winter of 1986 seen Niagara Falls bound at Grimsby Ontario ( before the station burnt dowm and was eliminated as a stop )
Our car for the Homeward run of the Ocean last year
Another shot of the last days of the TH&B SW9 #58 at Aberdeen yard. This loco went onto become a shop switcher for EMD.
An ALRV approaching the TTC's Nevelle Loop (2006)
enjoy
Rob
A quick good evening. I'll spring for a round as well to make the downtime tomorrow more bearable.Not sure what happened to my sunday night post pictures and all are gone <hmmmm> oh well chock it up to the gremlins I know I hit post by whatcahgonandoMonday was busy with the two families and too much food <burp>and today being election day I was engaged thusly.
Tom-Some intreresting photo's of this and that and a couple never seen before movies ( at least by moi )Hpefully the lockmanster and crew don't decide to clean house again with the uopgrades.
BTW saw and read the email right on < nuff said >
Eric-I with some interesting shots and what I believe is the x2000's control stand.
Shane-Glad you liked the TH&B shot,a bunch of peopel scrambled in teh late 80's to catch the last few loco's still painted for the railroad, and for the Aberdeen shop and roundhouse facilities that were soon tron down.
Nick-Some nifty shots the last coupe days.Steams always welcome.Can't say as I'm much for the Achy Breaky or it's owner ( or spelling tests and bees for that matter what's that Pink Floyd song,, We don't need no education )
The monkey cursers spreading blue bubbles is just wierd though man Mind you it's better than the screen savers and curser sustitutes H&H have on their lap tops s
Allan-Always nice to have you constantly with us at night, keeps the bar where it needs to be I To you and Shane for attempting the N scale stuff,your braver lads than I.
Hi Tom and all,
Leon, the usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please.
CM3. Good to see you in. Had all of my N scale stuff boxed up as well until I retired and put the shed up.
Eric. A nice cab shot of that mystery train, looking at the labelling on the dials being in German it must be the ICE train as Tom stated.
Nick. A big proportion of modellers here model NZ railways using HO track and model to 3`6in scale models`, although some do it using N track as well. Quite a lot model Bush Tramways from the old wood milling days when native timber such as Totara and Rimu covered a lot of the North Island. As to the breakdown of countries modelled here in NZ, out of a dozen modellers i`ve met in Hawkes Bay 50% model US roads, 30% UK roads and 20% NZ rail, we have one guy who models live steam in O guage on his garden layout, he builds his own radio controlled locos` in Euro outline mostly from scratch, he uses LGB rolling stock. One also has a very nice model of the Lynton and Barnstaple Rly on HO track, he is a watchmaker and also makes NZ locos` in kit form as a sideline business. Some cottage industry concerns make quite a lot of NZ railway model kits to fit on HO chassis for locos` and coach and wagon kits with NZ trucks and running gear, usually in brass and white metal or scale lumber. Good to hear you are pleased with your new trackwork and layout upgrades.
Tom. I must admit my dexterity suffers a bit nowadays handling the N gauge stuff, but I still carry on regardless, I use + 1 magnification glasses quite a bit now too! Good to hear your "navvies" are hard at work with the digging now, at least they are turning up, that's the main thing. A nice Classic Steam Locos on the Hudson 4-6-4`s with the info and pix, that wheel arrangement is called a "Baltic" on European railways.
See ya, Allan
Well the Leon-looks like it`s just thee & me and that bunch of scruff in the back bar-plus an almost unlimited supply of hooch-a dangerous combination....
So-better stack up Herr W. with quarters and hit the `random` button on the select panel and find some way of amusing ourselves-well,more beer would work to start with-good man-have one yourself--cheers-may it never get worse !!
How about a spelling test for ROB-no,You`re right-too easy....
O.K-As it seems to be wednesday already, how about a layout progress report-ah your eyes seem to have glazed over-ah well,no matter................
Well- lots of wiring still going on- This week have managed to get the lower staging turnout motor controls moved along the fascia to the main panel-and changed from lever frames to electric pencil operation -which leaves the levers available for semaphore signals as well as providing a far more positive idea of how the turnouts are set.
Also the main loco shed is now all wired up and sectioned (as I should be.. ) As is the whole of the top station-and all labelled-All the upper staging tracks are in place but yet to be pinned,several of the old kitchen shelving units that used to sit under the boards are now wall-mounted above (that nearly caused me an injury-standing on a beer crate,holding the equivalent of a half sheet of 3/8ths ply at arms length over a 30" deep baseboard with one hand whilst screwing it on with the other-some serious lactic acid burn there -was `wobbly` for hours)-also been doing some scenery work-about half the loco shed is now `treated`-although it doesn`t look `black` enough yet-will have to take the aerosol to it..
Also a couple of shelves above the staging tracks-should provide `off road` storage for at least 3 or 4 extra trains,once we are up and running
Am also starting to line up detail projects for the closed season-various buildings and stuff-feel cheated-the season is almost gone and have barely run a train-still thats the downside of where I live and the facilities I have-is still infinitely preferable to the urban jungle..
On the plus side,am delighted to report that all the new rail layed this season is performing well up to the mark-for the first time in years the various tunnel sections are not a cause of concern -and the `Brit` stock(which hasn`t been out for a few years) is all running as well as might be expected for vintage toy trains-indeed several engines that have previously been poor performers seem to be coming into their own
So then-on balance,I think I can reckon it a good season (so far) and I think Alan would be pleased with the way I have integrated his beloved train set with mine.........
O.K-enough rambling for now-will try and get some pix tomorrow to illustrate it all.
Leon-have I ordered a rickshaw yet??-Ah good man-if you would be so kind..I`ll be right here if needed.....
Well then gents-If I dont make it tomorrow,will drop a note through the door on sunday-Take care now-
ATB to all
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Figured that since the Forums are going to be shut down on Wednesday - even for browsing - best to get to the few Acknowledgments for this day:
Page 35 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 9:18 AM <10:18 AM EDT>: Nice to have things return to a semblance of normalcy ‘round the bar. Although ‘tis a puzzlement <The King & I> what's happened to ‘n with our Manager. Anyway, appreciate your morning call . . .
I see we've both picked brakes as the answer to Eric's quiz of a few days ago . . . methinks he's overlooked my response. <geesh>
Of course he sends SNOW Fotos - he KNOWS how to play up to Da Bossman! <grin> Not that I have FAY-VOR-ITE-SSSSSSS ‘round here! I'm hoping for a whopper of a white winter . . . that's my "wish" for the next season.
Day two of the trenching project is underway. Had me wondering, as they arrived an hour later than yesterday - but hey! - they're here ‘n digging! K-9 Corps ‘n Juneau would have a "blast" out there. Husky's love digging . . . ‘n we have some spots in our carpets to prove it. <uh oh> But he was a pup ‘n of course "didn't mean it." <grin>
Now that I've seen the "magic" of those wall mounted display cases, I'd highly recommend your acquisition of at least one for your N-scale stuff. Really makes for a fine diversion from the day-to-day by just gendering . . .
All I can offer is be thankful for small things - your Giants are doing far better than any of the teams I root for in the NFL <Jints being just one>. And of course the Lambs <aka: Rams - which are NOT my team> are horrible, simply awful>. So "little" Manning had a bad nite - chalk it up to that, plus there's little doubt the Browns were "up-up-up" for the game. Haven't seen a Cleveland team do that to the Giants since Charlie Connerly days <daze>. Ahhhhh, now that was a great era. I rooted for Otto ‘n Lou the Toe whenever they came to the Polo Grounds. Used to sit in the end zone for .50 cents or was it a buck Hmmmmm - anyway, can you imagine!?!?! Began my love affair with the NFL ‘n live games back in the 6th grade . . . but for some unexplained reason, most times rooted against the home team. Figger that one, eh And, I WAS IN YANKEE STADIUM when Chuck Bednarik put the "big hurt" on Frank Gifford. Just returned from buying a dog ‘n a brew ‘n saw it as I was heading back to my seat. Will never forget the image . . . <ouch> On that day, I was definitely a Giants fan . . .
Enuf chat ‘n chatter! Many thanx for the visit, ROUND ‘n quarters!
Page 35 - Eric <EricX2000> at 2:19 PM <12:19 PM Sandbox time>: "In" comes our Sandman with some consternation for Da Bossman! Gives "the prize" to the 2nd place finisher! My previous Post refers! <geesh>
Your foto My guess is the ICE train! But, you'll probably miss my submission AGAIN! <moan> <groan> <mumble> <grumble> <bratzafratz>
Do thank you for the daylite Post ‘n ROUND!
Page 35 - Nick <nickinwestwales> at 5:26 PM ‘n 7:26 PM <11:26 PM ‘n 1:26 AM Wednesday GMT>: A two-fer from our Resident Musician in Wales - first a "bookmark" followed up with a fine Nick-style inclusive Post!
Glad you've joined the Wolfman ‘n I in "looking back." It is indeed a PLUS, especially picking up on the differences in substance ‘n style from back then to present times.
You are ohhhhhhh sooooooo right about Missouri clay! Glad I'm not engaged in the labor. Those two have surely earned their keep, definitely a young man's gambit. <ouch>
Background vocals - I can relate . . . or better put, there was a time! <grin>
Amazing how the supposed extra-money always finds a place to be spent <perhaps two ‘n three times over>! Been there, done that a few times, Mate! <groan>
Thanx for the Hudson commentary . . . they truly were majestic beasts, no matter what the shroud!
Should we not "speak" for a few days - enjoy your time with the in-laws, outlaws ‘n assorted guests at your digs!
Appreciate, as always, the ROUND - good cheer - chat ‘n diligence to "Our" Place!
Right then -am comfortably settled in my familiar slouch (not easy to do when sitting-but one has to make the effort I feel...) with beer,baccy and a large pork pie and a bottle of chilli sauce comfortably within reach-so whats new:-
TOM-Another page turned-I feel incipient doom lurking...Should be home tomorrow and weather forecast looks grim,so hopefully I can get in an early bird-will try and get some progress pix from the shed tomaintain the weds. motif.......
Interesting that you mention checking back to our earlier selves-on two levels-one,the sheer volume of (mostly) fascinating material that has been laid out for general approval -and at risk of sounding `up myself` (as they say in these parts) I figure if someone is interested enough to put it out there,then they deserve the courtesy of having it read,even if it is way outside my sphere of interest. And two,the different `tone & colour ` of the bar as different groups of folks interact.......all good stuff
Now rum-as a son of the salt yourself,you will no doubt be aware of the connection between the Brit navy and the ould fermented cane juice-Grog as it was known--have a notion (surely wrong) that the ration was a pint per man per day.....
Big Dig-Sounds like best foot forward (thats the one that doesn`t have Harley-D stamped backwards into the shin -sorry,cruel-still,fair play to him for getting stuck in-I seem to have a memory that you are on some solid clay-tough digging if so-best take a grinder to the shovel blades,get `em sharp enough to shave with and cut the stuff out in blocks says I ..!!
E/M rec & noted-many thanks
Music-Inexplicably,our C&W band is the most popular thing in Ferryside since they discovered out-breeding -everytime we have played there,they have lapped up whatever we have thrown at them-not sure if Tony is trying to push the envelope with this one-will report back. In fairness we do a good selection of Stones covers with Riptide and whilst I am no Mick,Missisnick does allow me (under sufferance) to do the backing vocals-I have Keiths disturbing nasal whine off to a `T`
Regular dosh coming in is indeed a good feeling-although it is only a fraction of what she brings home-sadly,most of what I am likely to bring in this year has been earmarked for new bathroom & kitchen--if I am lucky I might get a couple of new engines and a guitar effects pedal out of it-such is life.....
Accents-Sister is terrible for it,when she calls from work she sounds more Canadian than ROB,at home she sounds like her...passing strange........
ALLAN-Scousers-More a race apart than one might think-given the number of displaced and migrant Irish in the city plus the polyglot cultural mix of any major seaport (and Liverpool was for many years the gateway to the Empire) I suspect the jewel of the Mersey will always be out on it`s own...
Models-glad you have good access-mail order is always a slightly fraught business-interested to know-what sort of breakdown is there down there (can I say that ?) -between Brit/U.S/home road modelling-and how much is available for the home roader-one sees the odd items advertised over here (usually for NSW prototypes,which is obviously different again) plus Tri-Ang did a couple of things back in the day but is generally something of a dark horse-can`t imagine living somewhere that far away and not having a go at at least a small layout of indigenous outline,if only a 4 turnout branch terminus.....Can only recall seeing a couple of `down under` layouts in about 30 years of magazine purchases
Would welcome your thoughts.....
TOM-Sports-Now here is something that truly divides our great nations-I recognise the words but put `em together-utterly lost-I suspect you guys feel the same When PETE,ALLAN and I start in on the rugby...perhaps we can enlighten each other when we crack those jugs of rum..--BTW-Agree totally R.E `N` gauge-not only the arthritis but the failing eyesight.........
SHANE-Must confess when the switch failed my immoderate use of sentence modifiers was somewhat tempered by thoughts of SHANE`s law of switches and the thought of you sitting on the porch with a wry ,yet knowing, smile flitting about your face --which is all very well but gets me no closer to fixing the little s*d-however,us Wintertons are not easily laid low and a solution will be found....somewhere
TOM-Hudsons-The first one with the high runng plate has (a little) something of the B.R. standard classes about it,the second is-if I have the right of it,the train engine for Her Majesty`s inaugural tour of Her Dominions and the third one is one of the most iconic designs ever to hit the rails-it wouldn`t matter if it couldn`t pull the skin off a custard-looking like that it embodies the American Dream,in the purest sense of the phrase -as a footnote-reading the notes R.E `Baltic`-that is the term for 4-6-4 tanks-we had a few over here-I believe Marsh designed a class of them for use on the old L.B&S.C.R -the `Brighton` line-I think one is preserved (called `Remembrance`to honour the company employee`s who never returned from the great war)-she is an elegant looking machine
ERIC-Another quiz-O.K-here`s my dollar-my guess-based on the German lettering on the controls and the angle of the windscreen would be a V200...........?-other than that am in the dark-suprise us..
Right-gonna post this before I lose it-Might be back in a bit
Have fun,Be good-ATB
Evening fellow topers,another one done (and feeling it today-yesterdays remark about no heavy lifting was a touch premature....still,I`m sure the muscle tears will heal....)
Just staking a claim on my seat whilst I read the posts..
Leon-I`ll have another go at that fine Molsons please and I`m sure these good gentlemen will join me.........?
Right,back in a bit
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Just noticed Eric's visit 'n comment regarding his quiz question AND awarding of a week's free drinks to Shane. Hmmmmmm. Well, here's what I posted on Saturday on Page 34 That mystery foto of yours appears to show the brakes locked tight onto the wheel. Yes . <geesh>
That mystery foto of yours appears to show the brakes locked tight onto the wheel. Yes
Good to see you 'n Shane made our daylite portion for this continuing dismal spate of inactivity . . . surely is getting harder 'n harder to figure out WHO will be providing material 'n when . . . <groan>
Oh, by the by - my bookl, Call of Trains, arrived this afternoon. Promptly snapped up 'n put away by my bride for a Christmas presesnt! <grin>
Later <maybe>!
Ruth, good to see you this cold day! Yes, a #2 and coffee for me today. Just a short break.
Some more activities here today. I noticed that Shane was right about the unusual detail in my photo a few days ago. Free drinks to him the rest of the week!!
I'll be back later with an inclusive post. But before I go I just want to add another photo showing the inside of the cab of the train that showed only the windshields last Saturday.
What train?
A round for the house!
Seems back to normal ‘round here with Shane beginning the morning. But WHERE is our Manager Good Gawd Gertie! Last we saw of him was Friday nite . . . <geesh> He ‘n Wolfman must have a genetic-link! <yikes> Give these two a long weekend ‘n it's Katy bar the door! <geesh>
Now Arriving on Track #3
Classic Steam Locos
Number Three - Hudson 4-6-4
NYC 4-6-4 Hudson #5384, Bellefontaine, Ohio <courtesy yesteryeardepot.com - foto: Fred C. Stoes>
CPR 4-6-4 #2860 Royal Hudson <foto credit: Greg Chadwick>
NYC Hudson 4-6-4 that hauled the 20th Century Ltd <Wikipedia.com - Public Domain>
It was 1925 when the first North American 4-6-4 locomotive design was put to paper. The St. Paul Road's motive power people, required a locomotive design, powerful enough to pull their heavy passenger trains in the low temperatures and heavy snow falls of upper Midwest winters. The loco was named the "Baltic." However, plans to construct it, were shelved when the road entered receivership.In November 1926, the NYC applied a four-wheel trailing truck to a 4-6-2 Pacific. Perhaps to check the track-ability of the 4-6-4 wheel arrangement, as the extra trailing axle did nothing to improve the tractive effort of the Pacific.Satisfied with the 4-6-4 wheel arrangement, the first 4-6-4 was ordered and delivered to the NYC on February 14, 1927. This new locomotive was named the "Hudson" type. The decade 1927 to 1937 represents a period when many railroads were seeking to achieve the greatest speed and tractive effort obtainable, utilizing the new technical developments, in metallurgy, mechanics, and thermodynamics.Larger stocker fed fireboxes, thermic siphons, feedwater heaters, large diameter high pressure boilers, evaporating massive volumes of steam, while consuming vast amounts of water and coal, determined that the 4-6-4 steam locomotive had developed the six coupled engine, as heavy and as powerful as they dared to go.The super power race was a direct result of the railroads need to compete with the growing highway systems of north America and the growing popularity of the automobile. In order to keep the traveling public happy and to assure their continued patronage, railroad passenger train schedules were optimized and many amenities were added to the great steel fleets.The 4-6-4 Hudson locomotive had the power and economy that the continent's railroads required to keep pace with the growing technology of the air and highway transportation systems.
In November 1926, the NYC applied a four-wheel trailing truck to a 4-6-2 Pacific. Perhaps to check the track-ability of the 4-6-4 wheel arrangement, as the extra trailing axle did nothing to improve the tractive effort of the Pacific.
Satisfied with the 4-6-4 wheel arrangement, the first 4-6-4 was ordered and delivered to the NYC on February 14, 1927. This new locomotive was named the "Hudson" type. The decade 1927 to 1937 represents a period when many railroads were seeking to achieve the greatest speed and tractive effort obtainable, utilizing the new technical developments, in metallurgy, mechanics, and thermodynamics.
Larger stocker fed fireboxes, thermic siphons, feedwater heaters, large diameter high pressure boilers, evaporating massive volumes of steam, while consuming vast amounts of water and coal, determined that the 4-6-4 steam locomotive had developed the six coupled engine, as heavy and as powerful as they dared to go.
The super power race was a direct result of the railroads need to compete with the growing highway systems of north America and the growing popularity of the automobile. In order to keep the traveling public happy and to assure their continued patronage, railroad passenger train schedules were optimized and many amenities were added to the great steel fleets.
The 4-6-4 Hudson locomotive had the power and economy that the continent's railroads required to keep pace with the growing technology of the air and highway transportation systems.
<source: IHC model trains literature>
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http://www.steamlocomotive.com/hudson/
Enjoy!
Eric - I didn't think you had hung it up but it is getting closer. Fried traction motor parts! Yum! I knew that one right away - well, off to the shop we go. I can't believe you sent a snow picture. I'll take a stab at the unusual feature in your picture and say that it is brakes.
Allan was in with comments and reflections. All of my N scale stuff is boxed up although I do buy some items that I think will be useful.
Rob was in with comments and pictures. I appreciate the TH&B engine shot - looks good with brick building behind it.
Lars - Glad to hear from you - it's probably good that you posted before the Giants performance last night. The Old Eli appeared, however I did not see whole lot of heads up play either from the O line or their secondary. A win would have really helped seeing what the rest of the NFC East did over the weekend. I watched the St. Louis-Washington game which was indeed full of surprises.
Nice selection of items from the bookmobile. I have the one on the West Virginia Central and Pittsburgh and have vol. 1 of the Wheeling and Lake Erie - don't have vol. 2.
Nic was in with comments. No, laddie, I won't ever say, "I told you so," but that is an application of Shane's Law of Switches. Billy Ray tunes at a black tie? I'm sure y'all did your best. I enjoyed the Tralee and Dingle picture - my compliments.
OSP - Hope your fortification work is going well. The K9 Korps can be moved at a moments notice to assist as he TRULY likes to dig. He digs it up I fill it in and the cycle continues - sort of like the ditch scene in "Cool Hand Luke." You want to see tank cars? Go to Charleston, WV - lots of chemical plants over there. I like the Milwaukee Road cut you have been using.
Always nice to see GN material as well as PRR 4-4-2 picture.
Western Maryland 924 is a Class L2 2-8-8-2 part of a 10 locomotive order built by Lima in 1918. They hung around for awhile, and 924 was sold for scrap in 1951.
Also, thanks for the heads-up on Wednesday. I had a !@@# of a time logging in this morning for whatever reason. I'll be sending you an email a bit later, but I'm going to get my ticket money ready and head over to the Theatuh to see the latest offerings.
Work safe
It's Tuesday - oh yeah, that's the day BEFORE Wednesday! <grin>
Coffee has been freshly ground ‘n brewed - pastries freshly baked ‘n stocked in The Mentor Village Bakery case AND our <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts are just waiting to be prepared for YOU!
St. Louis Blues pulled one out up in Toronto on Monday afternoon, after being behind 3-zip in the 1st period. Came back to win it 5-4 in a shoot-out against the Maple Leafs.
Did the ole split screen routine again - both of the teams I was rooting for took the losses. Jints were humiliated in foo-ball whereas the Dodgers beat themselves on the mound. Phillies are 'tuf. I see the BoSox are in a tussle . . .
It's "You Post, I Post" at the Bar by the Ballast!
Monday - October 13th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 35 - Allan <Gunneral> at 9:50 PM <3:50 PM Tuesday NZ DST>: Very pleased to see ya come aboard to cap the evening here at our Watering Hole by the Wayside!
With so few to depend on, surely can't say that about our Resident Downunder Kiwi Connection!
Having a Bachmann distributor that close would be like the proverbial kid in the candy shop!
I haven't seen 49th Parallel - it's on my "list" but the prices are way too high to purchase it - into the $30s on the net sources. <barf> Mystery Alaska is a terrific piece of entertainment. Highly recommend it - some good laffs ‘n not a bad story. It was filmed in a little town in Alberta, Canada. What <grin>
While I've never been into "N" I can surely see the benefits when space is an issue. Problem for me is called arthritis ‘n working with teeny-tiny things just is next to impossible for my thumbs. Even as I type this there's stabbing pains that somehow I've just grown accustomed to living with - about 5 years worth of it thus far. <barf>
Appreciate the Email confirmation . . .
Thanx for the visit, chat ‘n ROUND - all helps to keep this joint rockin'!
Happy 41st Monthiversary to all the gang!
Nick. Beef and bacon saussies` are really delicious hot off the BBQ! I`ve always found that Scousers` are a very different breed of Englishmen, their dialect makes them such great comedy acts. We are lucky in Hawkes Bay we have two model railway outlets, one of them is the Bachmann main dealer for New Zealand. We are able to get most of the latest US, UK and Euro models` and equipment in all scales and they offer good discounts to compete with mail order. A very nice selection of Irish, Welsh and English railway pix, and a very interesting write up on your operating sequences.
Eric. Some restuarants here are so greedy they are losing a lot of custom on public holidays, give it a bit more time and they will learn when their profits take a big hit! A nice snowy pic for Tom and I can`t pick what that train is in your naming quiz?
Tom. We are certainly like minds when it comes to greedy business profiteers! A very nice write up on your layout history, it sure looks as if you`ve put a lot of thought and effort into it after all of your trials` and tribulation, with my shed being only 8` x 10` I still get a layout twice the size of a similar HO one in the given area, sort of less is more as far as scale goes. A nice choice of flicks for the weekend, one of a 40`s classic in 49th Parallel and a snowy 90`s one in Mystery Alaska. A very nice set of Random Foto`s from your Rendezvous and train trips on your great continent. Thanks for the heads up on the Trains.com site rebuild on the 15th, am always logged on since you advised me about it, and thanks for the e-mail, I totally agree with you!
<PRR Pacific K4 #1737 - Wikimedia Commons>
Back again with a spate o' Acknowledgments . . . figured why not All I'm doing is burning brain cells watching mindless sports events on the split screen! <grin>
Page 34 - Eric <EricX2000> at 2:28 PM ‘n 4:49 PM <12:28 PM ‘n 2:49 PM Sandbox time>: What's to say other than THANX for remembering that YOU ‘n I are the ONLY ones who appear to be willing ‘n able to provide some daylite activity at our Tavern by the Tracks! Really appreciate it!
Regarding that comment you made on the RDC in the ARR consist. See my response earlier! <geesh> Did the best I could do with what I had to work with. AND I'm absolutely NOT an Aficionado on Alaska railroading - just happen to have a few experiences "logged" between 1960 ‘n 2006! <grin>
Info on the ARR is good stuff - thanx! By the by, the ARR does operate RDCs on one of its routes - but not for the one that particular train was destined for. RDCs operate on a segment of the northern run - summer ‘n winter - and is pretty much geared for the outdoor crowd <hunters ‘n fishermen> . . . it's called the Hurricane Turn Train <see http://www.arr.com/>
I can't believe I'm going to say this: Cut the LOCKMASTER some slack, Mate. My guess is Kalmbach is playing to what they feel are the majority of participants when it comes to operating systems. Anyway, it's all FREE, so keep in mind our saying: We takes what we gets! <or move somewhere else!>
Enjoyed both of your Fotos - really "cool" looking windshield ‘n the "way" to Mentor Village could very easily be coming down from Mt. Mentor <where our Ace Reporter "holes up.">
Just a clarification on geography: The TrainWreck Saloon is in Rock Hill <St. Louis County>, Missouri - and - the St. George Arms pub is in St. George, <Brant County> Ontario. The latter was the HQ for Rendezvous I, whereas the former is simply a fine watering hole for ANY TIME we get together! <grin>
Yikes! Radar screens bring back many MEMORIES - but not quite those you had! Mine were more in line with surface contacts out at sea . . . the air search variety was relegated to the gang in our Combat Info Center! And, that info surely came in handy "back in the day."
CHECK YOUR Email!
Many thanx for the two-fer ‘n I've "saved" your ROUND money for tomorrow <Tuesday> , as all drinks are on Moi today! <grin>
Page 34 - Nick <nickinwestwales> at 5:13 PM <11:13 PM GMT>: "In" with a "bookmark" - ‘n save your money. All drinks are on the house on this day ‘n nite! <Monday> <CHEERS> <clink>
Thanx for the quick Email response!
Page 35 - Nick <nickinwestwales> at 6:26 PM ‘n 7:45 PM <12:26 AM ‘n 1:45 AM Tuesday GMT>: A super-fine foto spread /w narratives from our Resident Musician in Wales! Can ALWAYS count on our Mighty Man to come through when the chips appear to be dwindling.
Enjoyed the contrast between old ‘n new . . . always a winner!
Turned another Page at that! <geesh> Better be careful, the LOCKMASTER is lurking! <uh oh>
We'll have to let things sort themselves out on Wednesday - but my guess is the early-birds will be able to drop something off as will our nite-owls. But, we'll see . . .
I like that "pull up a brunette" line . . . <grin>
There's a realization about "stocking up" on material in our Posts - seems that we're NOT going back as we once used to - or at least not as frequently. Don't get me wrong, of course there are those who do so regularly when preparing responses - but so much good stuff resides in the Ether - that I find it refreshing to visit back Pages now ‘n then. One of the reasons I've included the URLs for Passenger Train Nostalgia ‘n Passenger Train Fallen Flags <along with other features of mine> is to get the guys to GO BACK! Amazing what one either finds as "new" or just good to bring to mind the great stuff from days gone by . . .
Do appreciate your attentiveness to what we're trying to accomplish ‘round here - which is have a good time while discussing Classic Trains!
Now to Part Deux!
Your comment about the Rum made me realize that there's two jugs of Navy Rum that Wolfman brought back from Merry Olde for me <two different trips> - haven't cracked either. So, there's an inducement - if ever there was one - for you to join us in the Can-Am Rathskeller! <grin>
And yes, the guys arrived this AM to begin the "big dig," and dig they did. One poor soul was working with a rather injured foot. Seems he had a motorcycle mishap the day before where a part of the cycle imbedded itself in his foot - he sez about 3 inches "in.' <ouch> Felt for the young guy - for using his feet is all part of being a laborer. Nice enuf guy, but he wasn't on top of his game. Add to that being one short in his crew - he really was humping to get things done. But, the project is well underway!
Email has been sent w/Pete's cell fone number . . .
Hey! I know from nuttin' - but Achy Breaky Heart somehow doesn't "fit" with that "black tie" affair you mentioned. But then again, who knows How ‘bout some Stones Classics! I have a feelin' you "do" a fine Mick!
Good news regarding the employment endeavors ‘n sked! Always good on the upswing, eh Youbetcha!
The crew from "Our" Place <past ‘n present> who have visited the Kirkwood Depot are Pete - Eric - Doug ‘n Shane. All have been impressed, as it definitely falls within the parameters of being a Classic. You'd love it - plus it isn't all that far from a couple of fine watering holes on the way back to the Can-Am Rathskeller! <grin>
Speaking of Sri Lankan holidays - I'm a bit surprised that we haven't at least ONE of ‘em on our federal calendar! <geesh> <grin> I'm tellin' ya - it's beyond the point of absurdity when it comes to paying people for day's off when the RELEVANCE is lost, lost, lost as in gone-zo. We should erase the slate ‘n begin anew. That would put some money back into the coffers, at least. Oh well, what do I know, eh
Accents are infectious - at least for some people. When I visited my old haunts back in NY City for a 5-day reunion in 1981 <yes 5 days!> I thought I'd come back to the mid-west sounding like a "dis ‘n dat" sorta guy. Didn't happen! But it could have. I know that when we visit Nova Scotia ‘n spend more than a few days, I can detect some Canadianisms in my bride's speech. <grin> No "eh" though - she's never done that. Actually, she's resided in the states for many more years than she did north of the 49th - so perhaps that "counts" for something.
Great having you aboard on such a regular basis, it really helps makes this place "ours"!
Well then-it would seem the drinks are on the house on this fine night-Leon-might I order a rickshaw with a sympathetic driver to collect me from the piece of carpet just behind this stool in about an hour ....?-splendid fellow-oh,also a bottle of the special 151% rum please (well.....)
Regular readers will no doubt be amused to hear that yesterdays 10.30 start for the band practice eventually turned into a 13.00 hrs shamble into the garage and a serious `bent ear` for yours truly when I finally made it home..............Actually it gets worse-Tony decided that we should include "Achy breaky heart" in the set for this weekend-Our rendition of it yesterday sounded more like an outake from the Who Live at Leeds album-the prospect of performing this to a `black tie` audience at the Ferryside Yacht club`s Commodores evening fills me with disquiet............
O.K-to the posts-
ALLAN-Beef & bacon sounds like a fine sausage-good balance of ingredients -lamb & mint is also big over here-although the Welsh lamb business has never recovered from the N.Z advertising campain featuring `average housewife` Raewyn Blade extolling the virtues of the product-from a professional point of view-they had it right-every beast exactly the same weight-frozen before the blood had finished dripping and off on a plane....what ya gonna do ...?????
Although that said -there are inhabitants of Liverpool who are unaware that meat comes in any other form than the sausage or the rasher........
Focus now....-N gauge-what do you do for supplies down there..? -mail order I guess like the rest of us-obviously S.F specific stuff you have to order ,but how about track,scenics etc..?-just curious you understand...
TOM-What ho mate -many thanks for the drink <hic>-So-did the man turn up to start work on the drainage yet or is he celebrating a Sri Lankan public holiday or something.....Am pleased to report that my own work is looking up-Am rapidly moving from a 2 day a week start to 4 days-just `cos business is booming-money is tight-everybody wants cheap-can do that ,no worries -also it has the added bonus of being indoor work with no heavy lifting AND (& this is important) absolutely NO ROOFS WHATSOEVER-Gotta love that...
Yet another interesting selection of movies-none that I have seen before,althoughth the blurbs look good--now PETE is gonna be in Ireland-is a chance he might come back this way (there are only 2 ways in or out) could you e-mail me his cell phone # please-maybe we can organise a meet...............Take your point about Brit accents-I suspect I could go into somewhere like Moosonee in North Ontario and within a fortnight have the native population talking like extra`s from East Enders...
Cracking pix B.T.W-that depot at Kirkwood is a lovely little building-aesthetically pleasing is the technical term I believe...........
O.K-its time to fall over backwards and entrust myself to Leon,Boris and the Rickshaw driver /runner.
Take care one and all and will speak soon-be lucky,safe and happy
<PRR Atlantic E6 #1067 - public domain>
Nice to see a two-fer from Eric 'n a "bookmark" from Nick 'n a follow-up Foto spread w/narratives, on this really unusually slow day at our Saloon by the Siding. Yeah, I know - most have other things going on - 'cept us, eh <grin>
Before I forget - Gentlemen, check your "in boxes" - there's an Email awaiting our <GoR>>! Thanx . . .
Just wanted to Acknowledge your efforts 'n will make appropriate remarks in the AM! Since drinks are on the house - fill 'em up, Leon! <grin>
Right then -before I get into the posts,I promised ERIC the start dispositions for the trains on the layout,so as it looks like weds may be a bit of a non-starter for the forums,thought I would attend to it now.
For those of you for whom this is a less than compelling notion,here are a few pix...
Tralee & Dingle,Western Ireland,during it`s Indian summer
Walker diesel on the West Clare (also W.Ireland)
Aberystwyth this time-frames of Llewellyn with a mix of M.o.W cars inc. some substantial bogie hoppers and rail carriers
And on the other side of the platform-A departure for Shrewsbury-note contrast between ornate Victorian station canopy and modern D.M.U (also the ghastly `prison block` shopping facilities in the background of both shots...)
Right-to business-ERIC -have been one or two changes to the track plan you have but nothing significant...
So-pull up a brunette and a Tuborg and we can get started .......
Beginning at the bottom:-
The big freight yard hosts 3 trains-the empty tanks to Avonmouth (the big dock complex outside Bristol),the through freight to Gloucester,plus the pick-up freight to Bath
There are also stabling facilities for 2 med-sized steamers,2 diesels plus 4 `pugs`--0-4-0 tanks which switch the yards here and at the bottom station and work transfers
The bottom station holds the Bath local on the longest spur track,plus spare cattle vans and horseboxes -also a M.o.W spur
The low level staging takes the Pines express,the Weymouth local (which cuts in and out between loops to call at all platforms) plus the coal empties which re-makes at Bath into Welsh & Midland cars-also pulls coke loads from Bath Gasworks siding
This leaves one staging track,the turnback loop and `tunnel siding` clear for juggling
Midsomer Norton contributes cattle vans,milk vans,coal empties,M.o.W stock and general goods.
Kelston Halt has loaded beer vans out,grain hoppers in,finished timber out and the odd general load
Bath hosts the down local,the Bristol local,the milk and parcels van train plus assorted goods inc gasworks coal and loco coal inbound
Bath also has the main loco depot-storage for 9 engines plus the pilot.
Upper staging takes care of the last 3-the Cardiff-Bournemouth express,the sleeper (from somewhere in the north-east-still a bit vague on that one-see rule #1...) plus the X.P freight-mostly perishables-banana vans from the Ffyfes warehouse at Avonmouth
Basic operating pattern is that Bath is the centre of operations-Trains are dispatched down the line ,after passing through the low level station they are turned on the loop and then either sent round on the `Weymouth` line to the staging yard or peeled off onto the `local` line to be either reversed or sent down to the freight yard -this allows the twin track section to be used as a passing track (tunnel siding) which has come in handy more than once.........
Currently this last sequence is going to have to be reversed as the bottom left turnout in the lower staging yard has lost its `self latching` spring and can only be used in the trailing direction-I can hear SHANE`s words coming back to haunt me-is prolly the most inaccessible turnout on the layout-even coming in through the window I can`t get a grip on the bugg*r-the good old learning curve......
O.K mate-I think thats about the size of it-please ask if you have any queries-if I manage to get a full session in,will take full photo record--Thanks for asking-is appreciated
Right-Leon-more Molsons please-and on to read posts
back soon
Well greetings one and all and welcome to a fresh new week-Leon,whats the guest ale for the week...?-Molson Gold-an excellent choice-set up a round of `em-lets kick back for a while...
Just a quick bookmark (setting into the siding for yardwork so the dispatcher can clear TOM to highball on the single line section,as it were)
B.T.W -apologies if smileys and things appear in the wrong places-small person managed to replace the cursor with a small cartoon monkey (strangely appropriate) and things havn`t been right since-we have the cursor back but with trails of blue bubbles streaming from it-very distracting
Right-back in a bit
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