Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.
What shall we play today? Oh, here are a few; "Billy Broke My Heart at Walgreens and I Cried all the Way to Sears," "Don't Roll Those Bloodshot Eyes at Me," and "Don't Strike a Match to the Book of Love." Ah, here's one for Juneau, "How Come Your Dog Don't Bite Nobody But Me," and the last for Nick's (it is his day); "Four on the Floor and a Fifth Under the Seat ." There all good ‘uns.
No snow but we got a ton of rain and some big-time wind; trees down, roads blocked, rock slides etc., etc. Gotta love life where the terrain is mostly vertical.
Rob - Peace Bridge is always in the news in Buffalo. I can see, it now, a great plot for a movie when the train goes in the river. Let's borrow a phrase from the D&H and title it "Bridge Line Blues." As for your casino comments; progress? HAH! Back off, Boris, that's all I'm gonna say.
There were lots of geeps in Michigan back then. C&O had some that were way different that the ones that ran down here as I am sure you saw those around St. Thomas. U-boats at Blue Island - gone, gone, gone for the most part. They were quite rare in the coalfields.
Eric - Glad I passed the quiz. Ft. Christina I remember from many history courses yrs ago. No, Frostbite, I wasn't there. I interviewed for a job at Elutherian Mills yrs back. Wilmington was the nearest stop and the station back then was in pretty rough shape. IMHO, Amtrak has done some good things with NEC stations. Didn't get the position (I know I would today), but back then did not have the "practical experience" they wanted.
A Michelin Motor Car? Sweet Mercy! Our intrepid reporter informed me that we must add one to the roster b4 the next dart's tournament. He wonders if we can retrofit roof racks on it to carry the sedan chair.
"Hell Gate Express" did all kinds of Pullman work en route. My uncle used to go to Philadelphia every so often and rode that train from Providence. NH trains that ran between Boston and Washington were nicknamed "Penn Jobs." They ran via the New Haven, New York Connecting RR (Hell Gate Bridge), and then P Company from Penn Station to DC. Most know of my interest in NYC but I galvanize (at a moment's notice) into a certified SPF. I got interested in PRR when very young by seeing lots of their cars at South Station.
OSP - Glad you finally got your weather wish. There was quite a bit of coverage from the Gateway City on TV yesterday - they said snow was falling at 5" per hour. Not bad! We have not had a truly good snowstorm here in approx. 3 yrs - lots of small ones and more ice than we need, and plenty of real cold, but nothing that stops things for a day or so - I like those as long as the lights stay on. Thank you for the refresher on France and its railroads. Excellent posters with some fine colors, layouts, lettering.
As a VW person and in honor of the sniw, I'll bet you remember the old VW ad (it ran as print and on TV), "What Does the Man Who Drives the Snowplow Drive to Get to the Snowplow?"
Last but not least - Happy Birthday, Nick. Remember, if you see three sets of wires under the layout, solder the one that is not moving.
Work safe
G'day Gents!
Mid-day greetings from the land of white . . . been outside most of this day 'n it's really envigorating to say the least. Sun has put a <crimp> in things as the "compression" has begun. What had been nearly a foot of snow, now looks like less than half that amount. Melting everywhere is evident . . .
Good to see Rob 'n CM3 Shane drop by to keep Ruth busy this morning.
Oh yeah, here's something that our Manager Rob inadvertently Posted over on "my other Thread" . . . gotta LOOK before you LEAP, Mate . . . impetuousness can be excused for the young 'n young at heart, I suppose.
Hi again Ruth I think I need a re-fill on the BK thermos oh and since your in from shovellig theer Boris set up teh critters with their usual treats ( gotta have some work for teh most recently tweeted ) Small jar of PPF is there for you as well Boris.Why is your one doll sitting on Tom's barstool oh it's a replacemnet for the one with the hole in it.Weird Tales From The Barn # 3 Street Railway Rules Here's some of the more unusual rules for street railway employees First set from Brooklyn Rapid Transit c1900 1) Employees are prohibited from entering saloons when in uniform,and from frequenting such places. Preference in employment and advancement will be given to total abstainers. 2) Lying down or lounging in the cars is prohibited.Conductors and motormen will never sit down while their car is in motion. 3) While engaged in operating a car, whistling, talking,or shouting to teamsters is forbidden,unless necessary to avoid an accident. 4) Should car become electrically charged, pole should be immediatly pulled down Ouch that would cause some grief to the crew ! ASRA RULES After 1903 most street railway companies adopted the ASRA rule book. ( American Street Railway Association ) here's some examples.... Rule 3 Conductors and Motormen must be clean and neat Rule 4 Conductors and Motormen must treat passengers with politness and must not make threatening gestures nor use loud,uncivil,or profane language,even under the greatest provacation. There were 89 general rules in the ASRA rulebook ! Covering everything from language to the proper tying of one's tie !One of the leading creators of this rulebook Rodger Burns also put out a small paper back titled How to Become a Motorman heres an excerpt. Do not lose control of your temper ! Many man of whom I have personal knowledge has lost his position because of a quick temper. I remember a motorman who was always ill tempered. The minute he stepped into the vestibule and got his hand on the controller handle, he was angry at everyone and everything. There was never anything right;the conductor was too slow, or the passengers were too slow,or too many people were riding.He had an idea that everyone wanted to ride with him, and they brought all the old women,little children, and cripples on his car so he could not make his time. The next paragraph is my personal favourite. Do not forget your personal appearance.nothing gives a motorman a better stand in the public eye than to be clean and neatly dressed. If there is anything that disgusts me in a fellow worker,it is to sit behind him and gaze on a neck so dirty that you could raise a crop of potatoes on it without any fertilizer. Enjoy Rob
Hi again Ruth I think I need a re-fill on the BK thermos oh and since your in from shovellig theer Boris set up teh critters with their usual treats ( gotta have some work for teh most recently tweeted ) Small jar of PPF is there for you as well Boris.Why is your one doll sitting on Tom's barstool oh it's a replacemnet for the one with the hole in it.
Weird Tales From The Barn # 3 Street Railway Rules Here's some of the more unusual rules for street railway employees First set from Brooklyn Rapid Transit c1900 1) Employees are prohibited from entering saloons when in uniform,and from frequenting such places. Preference in employment and advancement will be given to total abstainers. 2) Lying down or lounging in the cars is prohibited.Conductors and motormen will never sit down while their car is in motion. 3) While engaged in operating a car, whistling, talking,or shouting to teamsters is forbidden,unless necessary to avoid an accident. 4) Should car become electrically charged, pole should be immediatly pulled down Ouch that would cause some grief to the crew ! ASRA RULES After 1903 most street railway companies adopted the ASRA rule book. ( American Street Railway Association ) here's some examples.... Rule 3 Conductors and Motormen must be clean and neat Rule 4 Conductors and Motormen must treat passengers with politness and must not make threatening gestures nor use loud,uncivil,or profane language,even under the greatest provacation. There were 89 general rules in the ASRA rulebook ! Covering everything from language to the proper tying of one's tie !One of the leading creators of this rulebook Rodger Burns also put out a small paper back titled How to Become a Motorman heres an excerpt. Do not lose control of your temper ! Many man of whom I have personal knowledge has lost his position because of a quick temper. I remember a motorman who was always ill tempered. The minute he stepped into the vestibule and got his hand on the controller handle, he was angry at everyone and everything. There was never anything right;the conductor was too slow, or the passengers were too slow,or too many people were riding.He had an idea that everyone wanted to ride with him, and they brought all the old women,little children, and cripples on his car so he could not make his time. The next paragraph is my personal favourite. Do not forget your personal appearance.nothing gives a motorman a better stand in the public eye than to be clean and neatly dressed. If there is anything that disgusts me in a fellow worker,it is to sit behind him and gaze on a neck so dirty that you could raise a crop of potatoes on it without any fertilizer. Enjoy Rob
Back with some Toy 'n Model Train Day! material . . .
Tom
Good day Tom and the rest of you blokes. Have a round on me and why aren't you out working instead of spending your time on the computer. I just stopped by today to wish our birthday boy, Nick a happy birthday.
Allan: Your memory looks to be better than mine. The next thing I can remember is taking a bottle of scotch to my 1st grade teacher as a Christmas present. I was six and went to Cathedral primary school in New York, It was run by nuns, but my teacher was a lay teacher by the name of Mrs Wittsen. She always enjoyed my gift over the usual desk blotters and pen and pencil sets received from the other kids.
Rob: I'll bet the corned beef in Montreal is as good as it is in New York. I spent several months working in Quebec and was very impressed with the quality of the food there. I found their pizzas were great and the prime rib out of this world.
CM3: I certainly remember the VW commercials well. Sometimes I think this EPA thing and bumper heights was concocted to aid Detroit. It certainly killed the Jaguar sports cars and rear engine bugs.
Since many have inquired about left/right hand drive vehicles, here is a little history about it:
BTW, I think the 2000th post will be on March 10 by Rob.
History and origin
About a quarter of the world drives on the left, and the countries that do are mostly old British colonies. This strange quirk perplexes the rest of the world; but there is a perfectly good reason.
In the past, almost everybody travelled on the left side of the road because that was the most sensible option for feudal, violent societies. Since most people are right-handed, swordsmen preferred to keep to the left in order to have their right arm nearer to an opponent and their scabbard further from him. Moreover, it reduced the chance of the scabbard (worn on the left) hitting other people.
Furthermore, a right-handed person finds it easier to mount a horse from the left side of the horse, and it would be very difficult to do otherwise if wearing a sword (which would be worn on the left). It is safer to mount and dismount towards the side of the road, rather than in the middle of traffic, so if one mounts on the left, then the horse should be ridden on the left side of the road.
In the late 1700s, however, teamsters in France and the United States began hauling farm products in big wagons pulled by several pairs of horses. These wagons had no driver's seat; instead the driver sat on the left rear horse, so he could keep his right arm free to lash the team. Since he was sitting on the left, he naturally wanted everybody to pass on the left so he could look down and make sure he kept clear of the oncoming wagon's wheels. Therefore he kept to the right side of the road.
In addition, the French Revolution of 1789 gave a huge impetus to right-hand travel in Europe. The fact is, before the Revolution, the aristocracy travelled on the left of the road, forcing the peasantry over to the right, but after the storming of the Bastille and the subsequent events, aristocrats preferred to keep a low profile and joined the peasants on the right. An official keep-right rule was introduced in Paris in 1794, more or less parallel to Denmark , where driving on the right had been made compulsory in 1793.
Later, Napoleon's conquests spread the new rightism to the Low Countries ( Belgium , the Netherlands and Luxembourg ), Switzerland , Germany , Poland , Russia and many parts of Spain and Italy . The states that had resisted Napoleon kept left - Britain, the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Portugal. This European division, between the left- and right-hand nations would remain fixed for more than 100 years, until after the First World War.
Although left-driving Sweden ceded Finland to right-driving Russia after the Russo-Swedish War (1808-1809), Swedish law - including traffic regulations - remained valid in Finland for another 50 years. It wasn't until 1858 that an Imperial Russian decree made Finland swap sides.
The trend among nations over the years has been toward driving on the right, but Britain has done its best to stave off global homogenisation. With the expansion of travel and road building in the 1800s, traffic regulations were made in every country. Left-hand driving was made mandatory in Britain in 1835. Countries which were part of the British Empire followed suit. This is why to this very day, India, Australasia and the former British colonies in Africa go left. An exception to the rule, however, is Egypt, which had been conquered by Napoleon before becoming a British dependency.
Although Japan was never part of the British Empire, its traffic also goes to the left. Although the origin of this habit goes back to the Edo period (1603-1867) when Samurai ruled the country, it wasn't until 1872 that this unwritten rule became more or less official. That was the year when Japan's first railway was introduced, built with technical aid from the British. Gradually, a massive network of railways and tram tracks was built, and of course all trains and trams drove on the left-hand side. Still, it took another half century till in 1924 left-side driving was clearly written in a law.
When the Dutch arrived in Indonesia in 1596, they brought along their habit of driving on the left. It wasn't until Napoleon conquered the Netherlands that the Dutch started driving on the right. Most of their colonies, however, remained on the left as did Indonesia and Suriname.
In the early years of English colonisation of North America, English driving customs were followed and the colonies drove on the left. After gaining independence from England, however, they were anxious to cast off all remaining links with their British colonial past and gradually changed to right-hand driving. (Incidentally, the influence of other European countries' nationals should not be underestimated.) The first law requiring drivers to keep right was passed in Pennsylvania in 1792, and similar laws were passed in New York in 1804 and New Jersey in 1813.
Despite the developments in the US, some parts of Canada continued to drive on the left until shortly after the Second World War. The territory controlled by the French (from Quebec to Louisiana) drove on the right, but the territory occupied by the English (British Columbia, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island and Newfoundland) kept left. British Columbia and the Atlantic provinces switched to the right in the 1920s in order to conform with the rest of Canada and the USA. Newfoundland drove on the left until 1947, and joined Canada in 1949.
In Europe, the remaining left-driving countries switched one by one to driving on the right. Portug
Here's Part VI of the Building of the S-Capades for this Wednesday's OPTIONAL Toy ‘n Model Trains Day!
<Check out Page 176 for Part I; "must" reading if you wanna understand all of this!>
Motive Power of the S-Capades!
Ground level on the S-Capades!
S-Capades nearly done!
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More next week <maybe>!
Missed any
Part II is on Page 180
Part III is on Page 184
Part IV is on Page 186
Part V is on Page 190
A finale for this mid-week day . . . somthing from the archives that was initially Posted on 24 Feb 2006 on Page 256 of the Original Thread . . .
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #70
Here's something to enjoy regarding the Canadian National Railways (CNR) from a 1933 advertisement in my personal collection. THE VACATION YOU'VE DREAMED OF COSTS LESS THAN EVER THIS YEAR IF YOU SPEND IT IN CANADA
JASPER PARK in the
CANADIAN ROCKIES
Here's a vacation of a thousand thrills: Maligne lake whose waters offer the finest brook trout fishing on this continent and mirror mountain scenes of almost incredible beauty! The famous drive to Mt. Edith Cavell with its dazzling Angel Glacier . . . The Pocahontas Highway where mountain sheep and goats, deer and black bears often pose for camera hunters . . . Golf on a championship course with breath-taking views from every fairway. Swimming in a warmed outdoor pool . . . tennis . . . trail riding . . . mountain-climbing with Swiss guides. The friendly hospitality of Jasper Park Lodge is as much a part of this perfect vacation as the mountains themselves. Luxurious accommodations. Perfect food. Rates from $7.00 a day, Canadian funds, for room and meals (10% discounts for two weeks or more). Season June 1- September 23. Booklets, travel films and all information from any office below. 1933 SPORTING EVENTS Riding, swimming, hiking, mountain climbing with Swiss guides and every vacation sport. July 1 - the Rodeo. September 2-9 - Totem Pole Golf Tournament.
CANADIAN NATIONAL To Everywhere in Canada
BOSTON . . . . . . . . . . . . KANSAS CITY . . . . . PORTLAND, Me. 186 Tremont St. . . . . . . . 705 Walnut St. . . . . . Grand Trunk Ry Sta. BUFFALO . . . . . . . . . . . LOS ANGELES . . . . . St. LOUIS 420 Main St. . . . . . . . . . .607 So Grand Ave. . . .314 No Broadway CHICAGO. . . . . . . . . . . . MINNEAPOLIS . . . . . St. PAUL 4 So.Michigan Blvd.. . . . . 654 Marquette Ave. . . 83 East Fifth St. CINCINNATI . . . . . . . . . . NEW YORK . . . . . . . .SAN FRANCISCO 49 E. Fourth St.. . . . . . . . 673 Fifth Ave.. . . . . . . 648 Market St. DETROIT. . . . . . . . . . . . . PHILADELPHIA. . . . . SEATTLE 1524 Washington Blvd.. . . 1422 Chestnut St... . . 1329 Fourth St. DULUTH . . . . . . . . . . . . . .PITTSBURGH . . . . . .Washington, D.C. 428 W Superior St. . . . . . . 355 Fifth Ave. . . . . . .15th & H Sts. NW
. . . . . . . . . . LONDON, Eng. . . . . . . . . . PARIS, France . . . . . . . . . . 17-19 Cockspur St. . . . . . . 1 rue Scribe
Enjoy <again> Tom
Hi Tom and all.
To NICK so a round to celebrate please RUTH.
For Nick a photo of Evening Star wearing an appropiate headboard.
ROB Glad you are enjoying the photos, I have loaded some more last night. The only problem I am getting is the that the slides are coming out dark, they were not too good to start with, I have been able to lighten some of them on the puter.
When we start playing Crib at Pat's quite a lot of people are interested in what we are playing and a lot say they used to enjoy playing but I think we are the only ones who play in the pub.
Many thanks for the info on the MPI diesel and the next two photos from the discovered roll of film, it seems there was a look of different liveries on the locomotives.
ERIC Thanks for the answer to your quiz and the link to Fort Christina explaining the Swedish link.
Great photo taken by your grandpa of the Michelin railcar, I believe the railcar also toured the UK as well.
In 1925 the London Transport electrification reached Rickmansworth and LT electrics of the same class as Sarah Siddons worked the trains of hauled cars to there.the electric came off and a steam locomotive took the train onward. It says in Wikipedia that the electrification was extended to Amersham and down a branch line to Chesham in 1960. In 1961 steam was finally withdrawn and new units took over the line to Amersham where the London Transport trains stopped and passengers changed to BR to carry on to stations to Aylesbury. The LT electric locomotives were by 1961 nearly 40 years old and the LT hauled cars were old as well. There is another of the Metropolitan Vickers electric locomotives preserved that is No 5 John Hampton at the LT museum at Covent Garden London.
I found these two photos of the SJ 2-8-0 at work on the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway in the mid 1970s, although I am afraid the quality of the photo is terrible, I though you might like to see them.
CM3 Great song titles. It sounds you are having some very rough weather there, they were saying this morning we were lucky to miss the heavy snow Tom had yesterday.
It must have been a great time having the NYC, NH and the PENN running in the area
RON Enjoyed reading how the different countries came by left/right hand running, I learnt a lot. I see Napoleon was a major factor. It seems the referendum was a waste of time with over 82% saying no but it still went ahead.
There certainly are some strange laws and customs to do with roads. Many thanks.
TOM Thanks for the kind words, it is far better than the ‘Tweeting' poor Eric got, as Spring cleaning gets near we will have to watch out for the ‘Tweeting'
Yes it was a bit strange with the snow yesterday here, even at 7AM they were saying we could get up to 2 inches but by 8AM it the radar was showing it breaking up here. We had none on the ground yet there was some the other side of town the bride said. Hope your snow does not melt too quickly.
On our great Canadian Adventure I don't think we had the time for a game of Crib, the Trains magazine I took, did not get a look at until the airport and on the plane on the way home.
Many thanks for re-posting Rob's post on the unusual rules for Motormen and Conductors from Brooklyn and the ASRA. I guess being a Conductor and being teamed up with that bad tempered Motorman was nothing to look forward too.
I see the S-Capades is getting well on the way to completion in this week's photos
Gentlemen all !!! Many thanks to you all for the birthday greetings -I am much touched.....
Am just back from practice with the country band now seemingly the country & western&Irish&bluegrass band (bloody managers..) and full of birthday beans-the highspot of the evening was an improvised 12-bar workout in the style of the Oscar Peterson Trio which bubbled nicely for 3 or 4 minutes then Tony took us into `Gypsy Woman`in the style of the Stax house band and at the end of that,back into the mad jazz..............
Well-the drinks are on me so lets not be shy here-Leon,Boris,Copperkettle,ladies:----
lets get these tables out of harms way,same goes for the chairs,table lamps-basically anything that isn`t nailed down
No -Boris-not those ones-they are for the buffet-
O.K-so heres the plan-the boys and girls turn up in about 4 hours (assuming the Can-Am borderer arrives on time...) and we will all meet up at union station -back to the house to get spruced up and then party time
Right then-before I get to much into the thing,here`s the buffet-it`s a small plate number=
O.K then-looks like tonights entertainment is RIPTIDE-my favourite band--drinks are on me for the night by the way-the track gang and the back bar crew as well
But its all right now,in fact its a gas-yeah its all right,I`m jumping jack flash its a gas gas gas
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, just a cup of coffee, I'll be back a little bit later.
Just want to wish Nick a Very Happy Birthday!!!
Have a lot of fun!!!
I'll be back later!
Eric
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, I am back. I am not sure what I want to eat, but since it is (was) Nick's birthday I think I would like Rumpsteak Café de Paris! And a cold Keith's!
There must be a big party going on back in Boris' shed. A lot of music and noise. I wonder if Nick is there?
Tom – Me tweeted? I just repeated what Fergie wrote! Mumble, mumble, mumble. Where are those stupid trays? Inside ‘n outside, mumble, mumble, mumble. Wilmington, old Swedish territory. The king wanted a piece of land on this side of the Atlantic and he got it. Thanks for reposting Rob’s post, Weird Tales From The Barn #3 Street Railway Rules! I think all the rules still apply. Especially here at the bar. More photos of the S-gauge layout! I wonder about that car in the second photo from the top. The train that just passed the grade crossing must be traveling at a very low speed or the driver of the car pushed the pedal to the metal as soon as the last car of the train cleared the crossing. Hmm. Thanks for the photos!$7 (Canadian) for room and meals! That is cheap! But not that cheap in 1933! Rob – I didn’t think there was any steam heated trains in Canada today, but I wasn’t sure. Thanks for the answer! Interesting photos of those CSX locos! I wonder what the chain hanging along the fuel tank on #5815 is for? CM3 – Thanks for the good songs you played today! You are right, they are all good ones!I think it is possible to retrofit the roof racks for the sedan chair. That is a very good idea! But I don’t know if it will be strong enough for Boris. Thanks for the Hell Gate Express info. I thought Penn Station made most sense for that train. Ron – Thanks for the article on right hand and left hand traffic! Most interesting. Sweden actually had right hand traffic 1718 - 1734, that was the law. In 1734 it was changed to left hand traffic. The photo below shows the rear end of a trolley bus in Stockholm with an ad asking people to “Keep the left hand traffic, vote No 10/16” (1955). The funny thing about this trolley bus is that I worked as a conductor on that particular bus a number of times in the early 1960’s.
A History of the Car and Strange Laws and Customs are also most interesting!! Pete – Thanks for the info on the electrics! 40 years is no age for an electric locomotive! Several electrics in service today in Sweden are more than 50 years old and still going strong. This locomotive (below) was built 1963 and is still in daily service hauling heave iron ore trains north of the Arctic circle.
Thanks for the photos of the SJ steam locomotive. Something is not correct though. The locomotive has a 2-digit number on the side of the cab. As far as I know SJ did not have any steam locomotives with only 2 digits number in the 1900’s. That number indicates it is a locomotive from a private railroad, i.e. TGOJ or BJ. Doesn’t matter, it just caught my eye. I’ll try to find out what it is. Nick – Thanks for the drinks! Hope you had a great day! You better take today off and get some rest.
<personal foto>
Thursday has rolled ‘round once again - best thing we can come up with for this day is that Friday follows it!
Coffee's brewed - pastries baked - breakfasts waitin' to be ordered!
Comments from the Proprietor:
CONTEST UNDERWAY!
WHO will make the 4,000th reply at the bar AND when
Participants thus far:
(1) Pete sez Rob on Mar 22nd
(2) Rob sez Pete on Mar 16th
(3) Eric sez Allan on Mar 21st
(4) CM3 Shane sez Rob on Mar 13th
(5) Ron sez Rob on Mar 10th
CONTEST CLOSES on Friday, March 7th. So let's get those cabooses in gear!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Wednesday - March 5th <all times Central standard>
Page 192 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 9:07 AM: Many thanx for picking up the slack ‘round here during the morning hours . . . without Lars, things really took a dive for that "slot." Doesn't appear that any of the other guys are willing to depart from their particular habits . . . so your appearances are even more helpful!
Anyway, because I have such a "heart," I've held back a <tweeting> directed your way for that Post you dropped off over on "my other Thread"!! <geesh> Gotta look before you leap . . . <uh oh>
While I'm no fan of CSX, nor do I see ‘em in the light as being Classic <but once day, perhaps> - the fotos are appreciated!
Thanx for the support here AND over on "my other Thread" . . .
Page 193 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 10:13 PM: Song selections hit the spot - try these on for size:
<H13 - B31 - F6 - J27 - D19>
At the Gas Station of Love, I Got the Self-Service Pump
How Come Your Dog Don't Bite Nobody But Me? <on YOUR list too - a Juneau FAY-VOR-ITE!>
I Wish I Were a Woman (So I Could Go Out With a Guy Like Me)
It Don't Feel Like Sinnin' To Me
I'm Gettin' Gray From Being Blue
First I had heard of the "snow rate" being that high . . . although there were several periods where it appeared that we were in a "burst" of snow . . . just a tremendous amount in a short period of time. Luv it! Of course when the lights go out . . . well then the generator goes on the line ‘n we just keep on keeping on!
You betcha I recall those VW commercials - best on the air then ‘n perhaps still would be. Always got a kick out of ‘em, ‘specially since I was driving a Beetle.
Thanx for the visit, chat, quarters ‘n ROUND!
Page 193 - Ron (DD1) at 1:19 PM: All sorts of info regarding driving on the left side or right side of the road . . . Beheading for speeding ‘n firing squad for drunken driving! <oooops> Guess I'd have been long gone by now . . . thankfully those days are long, long gone. Stupidy ran well in my earlier days <daze> - at least I'm honest about it. Thought the very last bit of info was the best.
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. My, my, there area lot of folks asleep on and under the tables and just look at the pool tables; I can see that Nick's celebration went off in fine style.
Pete was by with comments and a picture of the Evening Star and a couple of other items. NYNH&H, NYC, and PRR (cars) were all at South station. The other side of town (North Station) had its share of interesting equipment as well; B&M, MEC, and CP. CV (CN) was not that far west. See below.
Nick - Interesting combination of styles you mentioned in your post. Oscar Peterson is one of my favorites. BTW, CBS "Sunday Morning" last Sunday ran a profile on Herbie Hancock. That was interesting, but the highlight was some vintage footage of when he was playing with Miles Davis - wonderful stuff but all too short.
Eric was by with comments. 1224 is a beast. I am guessing that it is all one locomotive, even though it is divided into parts?
DD1 visited with history and left-right information. Quiz for the day. Which American railroad operated on the left side?
OSP forwarded more S Capades material - The IC train looks fine. Also appreciated the CN material. I know I have not mentioned it before but I also like the cut of the CNJ Alco. I'm glad Juneau and the K9 Korps share the same "taste" in music.
Here's a rerun of some Boston and Maine steam locomotive information. I thought it might be a good choice today since we have been seeing a lot of named locomotives lately in various posts.
Starting in late 1937, R-1a and R-1b Mountains and P-4a and P-4b Pacifics received names suggested by schoolchildren in a contest. They were applied in white (silver in the Speed Lettering scheme) to a plate mounted below the running board, with the names of the child and school below in smaller letters. New naming contests took place when classes R-1c and R-1d arrived. Some engines lost their nameplates before they were retired, but they were maintained through 1950, at least.
Before you ask, here's some background on some of the more obscure names.
Allagash is a wilderness area in Maine.
Greylock is the tallest mountain in Massachusetts
Kwasind is an Algonquin word for "strong and powerful."
Camel's Hump is another mountain; this one is in Vermont
Hannah Dustin aka Duston was captured by Native Americans during King William's War (1689-1697) - Cotton Mather wrote a narrative of her captivity. The B&M had another locomotive named Hannah Duston; this was a GP38-2, part of an order delivered to the B&M in 1973.
Cardigan - Another mountain - in New Hampshire
The rest are pretty straightforward. I always liked the name "Black Arrow" myself.
You can find out more in the following books:
Minuteman Steam
The Encyclopedia of New England
The most excellent B&M book, High Green and the Bark Peelers, has an account of a cab ride on Kwasind. B&M 1713 is supposedly undergoing restoration at Steamtown.
Morning Ruth a very large BK high octane and a number three please,as always keep the change. Boris your eye looks bloodshot today oh I see Copperkettle splashed you with his hot sauce at the part last night,perhaps you should wear a swim mask at parties.At any rate the small PPF is there for you once you've seen to your charges.
Tom-Thanks for relocating that post,I made another comment on it over on the other thead for you this morning as well. What can I say Boris keep switching the signs on the doors around
Loved the latest batch of S-capade pictures,and the CNR passenger nostalgia piece. Mind you I don't think you could buy a piece of toast in the Jasper Park Lodge for $7 now.
Interesting music selections from both yourself and Shane,even Boris is bopping to the beat of some of them ( not to self call the hardwood floor guy for hoof damage repairs )Great talking to you this morning as well We are now just waiting for the next blast of snow due later today and into tomorrow.
I don't concider the CSX to be a true Classic by any stretch as well, however the Uboats are and most of the ones on the CSX were from the various Classic's they absorbed,THe L&N , SCL etc.
Pete-A crib I do love a good game of it,I can't say though as I've ever encountered it being played in bars or pubs around here either,darts and pool definatly but not card games.Your photo's showed up not too badley once they were enlarged couple nice steamers there. there aer quiet a few image clean-up softwares out there,did a version of photoshop or something similar come with your scanner if so that would be a good place to start.
There was two different CSX paint schemes in those pictures, the original or Stealth scheme as some railfans called it ( all grey with blue trim ) tended to be a poor paint job for motorists to pick up on at grade crossings so they added th splash of yellow to lesson their grade crossing incidents. By the mid -ninties when I took those shots the old stealth scheme was less and less common.
CM3-Ah yes the Peace bridge the bane of both Fort Erie and Buffalo , a state government and a provincial government. Everyone pointing fingers at everyone else , gotta love these sort of projects.
Lets see to take a stab at your quizz I'm gouing to say it was the N&W that ran that way.Yes I do remeber the old C&O / B&O and power at St Thoams Chatham etc though everything I witnessed had for the miost part been painted in Conrail or Chessie system colours. Dad remebers the Wabash and others moving through southern Ontario,I just remeber seeing the new "super railroads " Interesting list of locomotive names
Ron-Interesting info on the ole right vs left hand drive,lots of historical data there.
Eric-Nice picture of the bus and an interesting electric critter as well,as Shane said it does look like a beast.I'm not entirly sure what that hanging chain was for,it's either a part of the brake rigging or more likely it's a homemade re-railing frog hanger.
Rob
Okay some more "lite" reading form the archieves,this one came from back bfeore rendezvous #1 april of ,05 page 309 if anyone is counting
CLASSIC STEAM # 22 THE OTTAWA ARNPRIOR AND PARRY SOUND RY The Ottawa Arnprior and Parry Sound railway was the shortest grain route to the Atlantic at the time it was completed. It's line took it through the wilds of Central Ontario, with trains arriving and departing every twenty minutes. it was also the longest railway ever built and operated by one man in the history of Canadian railway building. The line that John R Booth built. Despit humble beginings on a Waterloo Quebec farm,John R Booth was destined to become one of the richest men in Canada. Shortly after establishing a saw mill of his own in Hull Quebec,the new commer to the lumber business stunned the Ottawa Lumber Barons by contesting and bidding on the prized contract to build the new Dominion's Parliament buildings, and winning ! He simply underbid his established rivals and got the job done using unemployed longshoremen from Montreal to build the house's of parliament. The first of his uncanny business doings. With the money in his pocket from this coup, and the realization that at the time the only way to ship lumber to the vast markets of the US and Europe Booth purchased two floundering railways in 1872 that allowed him to cross the St Lawrence River and enter the markets via the Vermont Railway.In 1879 his Canada Atlantic Railway was born, a line that extended from Ottawa to the Atlantic.
His next step was to expand his timber holdings. The rich limits in Algonquin Park came up for auction in 1879-80 so Booth sent his cousin to investigate them. He was amazed to learn of the vastness ( thousands of Hectares of land-all still today a provincial park ). He again outmanovered his rivals, by purcahsing the rights for the unheard of for the time sum of $40,000.Five years later he would be offered a million for the rights ( which he refused ). His eyes turned to Georgian Bay.As a rail route to that body of water would provide acess to these new timber stands, and would also enable him to capture some or all of the burgeoning prarie grain traffic from the CPR and GT. He first purchased the rights to the charter for the Parry Sound Colinization Railroad- this was an effort by Parry Sounders to link their town with the Northern and Pacific Western Railway ( later purcahsed by the CnoR )at Burk's falls. So he began building westward from Ottawa to meet this newly aquired line. The route took him north-westward into the mountains of Renfrew County ( CDN Shield ) and along the coarse of the Madawaska River through Algonquin Park ( The line runs roughly parallel to the HWY 60 Corridor through the Park ) then over the divide and into the struggling settlements in the Parry Sound District. The biggest problem occured for him in Parry Sound itself. The charter he bought stipulated that Parry Sound be the port terminus of the line,however the local landowners knowing this tried to hold out for gigantic land prices. Booth simply refused to pay and found an Island six miles north that had a better harbour so he built the line there and established the Town of Depot Harbour, now Ontario's largest ghost town. For several decades depot Harbour rivalled Ports like Collingwood and Midland, Booth gained a huge share of the grain prairie grain traffic as well.The great fire of 1888 destroyed the Parliament buildings and much of downtown and Booths biggest mill devestated his companies. He did rebuild but new CPR lines to Collingwood and GTR lines through Midland and Owen Sound sucked away his piece of the grain business. Eventually laws were passed banning all but managed logging in Algonquin Park as well. Timber is still cut there but it's completly managed and there are even several thousand acres of old first growth forest in the Park that are not logged as they are protected. Grand trunk Purchased the raillines from Booth in the late teens, CNR continued to use the line through Algonquin Park till the late 50's when it was finally abandoned and turned over to Parks. MNR ( ministery of natural resources ) pulled up all the trackage and removed the stations,policy in Algonquin Park is to keep things natural, the only buildings are along the HWY 60 corridor campgrounds which straddle both side of HWY 60 for 80km's.The MNR maintains the roadbed of the line thrugh the Park as a hikeing and winter snowmobile trail so many of the plate girder bridges are still in place, just lacking their trackage. There is a great book on Booth and his empire available primarily from the gift shop of the logging museum in Algonquin Park. It's a worthwhile read
Beginning to brighten up 'round here after a rather gloomy start to the day - still a bit of snow cover remaining, so all has been fine for the treks 'round the mean streets with Juneau the Husky!
Good to see CM3 Shane 'n Rob stop by . . . helps to keep the utilities runnin'
Now Arriving on Track Number One
Personal Pix Parade #1
VIA Rail locomotive fotos from my rail adventures!
(1) VIA Rail F40PHs #6419 and 6418 - westbound Ocean at Halifax, NS, Canada
(2) VIA Rail F40PHs #6419 and 6418 - westbound Ocean at Halifax, NS, Canada
(3) VIA Rail F40PHs #6420 and 6408 - eastbound Ocean at Moncton, NB, Canada
(4) VIA Rail F40PHs #6420 and 6408 - eastbound Ocean at Moncton, NB, Canada
(6) VIA Rail F40PHs #6444 and 6445 - westbound Canadian at Capreol, ON, Canada
Enjoy!
A pint of Bathams please RUTH.
NICK A great bash at your partyRiptide was on top form and the good ale flowed freely. I don't think the track gang will be doing much work today.
ERIC Yes I guess the LT electric locomotives could have been kept going for some more years if they have had too but I think it was more easier to have the units. Of course No 12 is still working the occasional specials although it must be hard to get parts if they are needed.
That looks a powerful electric and must be very good locomotives to have worked over 40 years in the hard conditions. The loco looks in three sections.
Yes the two numbers on the plate of the SJ locomotive surprised me. I am pretty sure it was the locomotive built by the North British Loco Co and originally worked on the Netherlands State Railway before being sold to the Swedish State Railways in 1953 where it was classed as G 11 and given the number 1931. It was bought by the Keighley & Worth Valley Railway from the Swedish strategic reserve and required little work before running. It has been restored recently as the British version of the class and is running as No 90733.
I have a link to the KWVR the info on 90733 is in the Rolling Stock section.
http://www.kwvr.co.uk/index.htm
Did you see on the Home Page they are having Timmy Taylor Celebation Ale as an on train beer next week, if I win the lottery I will go over and get some.
Unfortunately you have done too good a job with the critter's trays. They were so highly polished that AWK saw his reflection and as wrecked one, thinking it was another parrot.
CM3 Those really are some wonderful names on the B&M R1s and P4s. I think my favorite is Kwasind, after knowing its meaning. I wonder if any of the nameplates survive today, it would be great if the school involved in the naming had them. I think a good name on a locomotive adds character and interest to it, I have often wondered why Amtrak has not named any of it is locomotives, or at least I have not seen a named one.
On BR there was a total ban on locomotive naming at one time with those that were named losing them. But after one locomotive was officialy named in the late 1970s it broke the dam and most passenger locomotives and some of the new main line units carry names today, some better than others.
ROB Glad you liked the photos yes I will look into something else as I said to Tom, perhaps Eric knows a way of helping with the scanner.
I know in England there is an annual big crib tournament and pubs send teams. I have a small trophy from the Town and County (my local club in Rugby) for winning a winter crib tournament, but usually not as successful playing the bride.
Now and again we get the occasional CSX locomotives through here although it nearly all UP, I think their paint scheme is quite good.
Many thanks for the Classic Steam encore on the Ottawa Arnprior & Perry Sound Railway and John R Booth. He certainly had a way to make money. Although it is sad that the trains no longer run through Algonquin Park at least the trackbed, complete with bridges, is still there as a hiking trail.
TOM Enjoyed the songs certainly worth a few quarters.
I have got Adobe photo, which I am using to brighten my slides up, but I will have to look into some thing else, the prints seem a lot better. I believe that the slide film had a very slow speed so really it had to be pretty bright to get decent photos. I only wish I had got the camera I have got now in those days.
I guess it is rare to see a crib game in a British pub nowadays. The main time to see it in the pubs and clubs is when it is played as part of the Christmas games in the pubs that still have them.
Thinking of pub games when I was a lot younger this was the games played in my local pub each week in the season, which was generally September to April.
Monday. Ladies Darts/Dominos
Tuesday. Men's Darts
Wednesday. Men's Skittles
Thursday. Men's Darts
Friday. Friday night skittles.
There was a ladies skittle team as well but I can't recall which night
Lordy,this just keeps getting better-everytime I check in here there are more brilliant pix to check out-fair play guys,-you have all done me proud-PETE with England & Ireland,ROB with Toronto & elsewhere from his youth-and his Grandfather-TOM with that lovely brutal looking VIA power and of course ,the `S`capades--ERIC-wonderful stuff-those pix you showed before,of the railcars at the terminus, are firm favourite`s of mine
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If anybody is interested,the (blue) train in the foreground is arriving from Ascot on some kind of weird shuttle service that works out of platform 8-normally the Gatwick (Airport) -Reading line.
The next car over is the down Portsmouth express 12 car set tail car and then we have--the two ex-Waterloo terminating services on platforms 1 & 2
Here we have the morning departure from Buckfastleigh to Totnes-on a very wet day.....
O.K then-heres a topic for the conversation,since it`s a wild old night and we are all gathered around the fire--What would your ideal model train layout be -now we need to set a size-I`m gonna use my own space of 15`x10` to get us going-any era or region you like,or scale--any takers ?????
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Two worlds collide-on the right we have the South Devon Railways authentic G.W.R atmosphere,on the left a Virgin spaceship-the weed-grown track between is the former branch connection ( which considerably pre-dates the line we are sitting on )
Here`s a Baldwin 4-6-0t hauling a string of Hudson bogie opens loaded with Belgian troops stopping to laugh at a shell-shocked British officer who has lost his heart and his trousers to the village princess........
Hi Tom and all,
The usual round of Tui`s for all the crew please Leon.
Nick. Nice set of pics of the MU`s at Ascot station and the GWR pannier tank on the Buckfastliegh and Totnes Rly, the Virgin train, and the military Baldwin from WW1.
Rob. A nice couple of re-posts of your Classic Juice #11 on the CN electric lines, Classic Steam #22 on the OA&PS Rly and some very nice shots of the Battlecreek diesel loco`s, and all your loco pics on the other thread.
Eric. At my age it`s great to see snow whilst standing in front of the woodburner. [Sorry Tom] Nice pics of the loco`s the bus, and the Aero-train.
Fergie.Was in with some comments on caboose`s, hope your check up went off AOK.
CM3. Was in with some very interesting info on the 1950 Hell Gate Express and the B&M list of loco names.
Pete. Looking forward to your next lot of Shildon pics. Nice shot of the Evening Star with nameboard and the K&WV Rly SJ 2-8-0, and a nice link to the K&WV Rly. Nice pics of the Class 56 and 60 diesels, and the Class 90 electric. The Toon can only go UP from their current place next season, HOPEFULLY!
Ron. A really great write up on the original reason for left hand drive, to keep your sword arm free, and it`s history was very interesting, together with the history of the motor car and some strange laws and customs.
Tom. The last time that I rode the rails was down on the Wellington Metro a couple of years ago, rode on a Ganz electric MU out to Raumati on the North West coast from Wellington. Here is a link to Wellington Metro;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranz_Metro
They are going to upgrade the rolling stock in the near future with 35 new double units from Rotem/Mitsui, a Japanese/Korean group. Enjoyed all the great pics of your S-Capades RR Pt VI, the post of Rob`s Street RR rules, Passenger Train Nostalgia on the CN RR and ONAL RR, the Railways of France with the posters, and the great set of Pix Parade #1 of the Canadian F40PH`s, a veritable feast of information and viewing! It was great to read that you have had your snow blower out now clearing your favourite gift from the skies.
See ya, Allan
Good evening Leon I think a nice peperoni pizza would be wunnerfull tonight oh and justa canadian and maybe some of Helga's famous "three mile Island wings" if they haven't melted through the fryer again. A round for all teh usual suspects as well. Yes Boris I know that hot of food isn't good for me this time of night , it's okay I've got eh industrial strength tums so no worries.
Tom-Great pictures of your various VIA trips I aggree with Pete the shots at Capreol made me feel cold,mind you I'm sure they only have two season's there anyway. Blackflies and Mosquito's and Winter
Pete-A couple interesting shots this afternoon sir,interesting info on the naming , unaming,then renanming of the locomotives over 'ome. I'm glad you liked the story of John R Booth , one of the few railway/industry barons that came out of the early bulding period in Canada. you would love Algonquin park it goes on forever, I've walked the rain trail many times when I've camped there,been face to face with moose on the paths even saw the odd wolf loping in the forest off to the side,just a really neat park.
I don't see much in the way of oddball deisel power anymore,CN does run time back on some UP and BNSF power and we do still see the occational GT unit that has yet to get the uniform CNNA paint jobs.The bulk of the foreign power I see up here now is unpainted IC locomotives,though you can't really call it foreign power anymore as CN does own them,and they too are starting to get repianted as well.
Nick-Ah yes grasshopper the picture posting is comming back, some interesting shots, I liked the shot from WW1 as well
Allan-Good to see you in again this evening,intersting link as well I'm glad that you are enjoying our picture efforts.
Hi again Leon I think another Canadian will be required to put out teh fires of Helgas wings,they aer good but Johnny cash's "Burning ring of Fire Song" will be well anmed tomorrow <uh oh >
Here's another old classic from the old thread the original Classic Steam post from page 159 of the old thread.Kind of dovetails nicly with the OA&PS seeing as the trains in this ran over some of that territory,stats are confirmed via the CN sig group and Ian Wilson's cheat notes on CNR branchline ops.
Classic CNR Steam #1 The Huntsville Subdivision The Huntsville subdivision ran ( still runs ) through central Ontario in the Muskoka lakes district. It is a 111 mile subdivision running from Huntsville through to it's Northern terminus of North Bay.And down to it's southern terminus of Gravenhurst. The local switching was done three times a week.These originated in North Bay on mon, wed, and fri.laying over in South River, and returning on alternate days.The Southern trains also operated three days a week starting at South River to Gravenhurst same three days a week will the layover at Scotia ontario, and returning on alternate days. The Huntsville switcher This served the Acme planning mills,Cities service oil spur,McColl Frontenac coal shed,( train coal and hating coal ) Supertest/sun oils petrolium spur,the stations frieght shed for lcl service,Anglo-Canadian leather's two spurs,Forest basket co( gone in 1957 ) and The Muskoka Wood products spur ( charcol plant ) Usually this train was called at 5:15or 5:45 am and was powered by ten wheelers or consolidation type locomotives. Gravenhurst-South River way frieghts served South falls-team track Bracebridge-Sheir lumber,Anglo_Can leather's coal bin spur,(leather co gone in 1951 ) Imperial oil's spur,Northern planning mill ( two sidings) the Bracebridge station's team track and freight shed ( lcl loading )Muskoka trading feed mill Utterson-team track ( pulp wood & lumberloaded) Falkenburg -team track ( cities service ) ,Lumber and planning loads and pulpwood also loaded at this team track. Martins-team track ( lumber & pulpwood ) North of Huntsville -Muskoka wood products spur ( charcoal ), K>J> Wallace( became international ceramic minning ) Taplins mill ( lumber and pulpwood) Novar-back tracks ( pulpwood , lumber, from Novar lumbermill ) Scotia- back track and storage tracks ( logs from Algonquin park ,off spot cars for the park line,) Baldwins ( small ice facility ) Emsdale-team track for Scotia Jct Trading lumber co. ( large volume lumber and pulpwood facility) Katrine- team track spur ( little used ) North Bay - South river trains Burk's Falls-team track( freight shed behind station )lcl freight, back track coal,and lumber loading.Thompson Heydan ( lumber spur ) Sundridge- Pineland timber,Oakville basket company ,team track ( feed , lumber,stock pens and grist mill ) South river - team track ( behind freight shed ) long logs for international shipping,) Coaling tower, stock pens ,( large seasonal cattle and pig auctions here ) Standard chemical ( charcoal out , boxcars of fertilizer and tank cars of alcohol out and in ) Trout Creek-team track (lumber & pulpwood )Glen Robertsons shipped logs to Inco in Sudbury and telephone poles. Powassin-teamtrack ( for finished lumber from Powassin Planning supply co,) One shipment of cattle a week from Powassin Farm Supply Hills- team track ( lumber & pulpwood ) Calander-frieght shed ( lcl loading ) J. B. Smith co lumber& charcoal ( several sidings )Citiies service siding. Nipissing-transfer yard,( south bound picked up at ONR yard then lifted local traffic at the transfer yard.All cars were weighed at Huntsville and all southbound trains coaled and watered here. These trains normally wer called at 6:15 am Typical power was consolidation or a heavy mike. Passenger trains on this subdivision included mixed trains 263/264 for Algonquin park, Trains 41/44 and 46/47 Two day trains runing in each direction between North Bay and Toronto. These trains handled considerable head end volume in mail and express picked up and set out along the way. Train 3 The Continental Limited This was the Vancouver bound arm of the Continental limited which passed through Allandale ( Barrie ) just ahead of train 47. Motive power was usually a bullet nosed betty of the 6060 series(4-8-2 ) mountain type. Unually 11-17 cars including sleepers and dinning cars. trains 49/50 Joint ONR/CNR trains that ran between Toronto and Timmons typical power was Northerns or Mountains trains 51/52 Summer only trains between Capreol and Toronto power was usually heavy pacific types Trains 55/56 Summer only The Algonquin ran into Algonquin Park daily except sunday.These were a tourist train from Toronto handled by pacifics and consolidations ( from Gravenhurst to the Park due to bridge restrictions ) Trains 43/156 Summer only trains from Toronto to North Bay usually a heavy passenger pacific or a mountain would handle this train. Trains 45/42/148 night trains operated from Toronto to Midland via Allendale ( Barrie )These mail trains conected to the Meaford passenger trains and only operated as far North as Orilla. A short version of the typically busy mid ontario trains on the CNR branch lines. hope you stayed awake. Rob
Good morning Captain Tom and all present!!
Hello Leon! A #3 Thursday Special please! Curly fries.
I am glad I made it here just in time before closing!
Tom – Stopped to take in the scenery? Hmm. Really? I worked hard on those critter trays, they had probably not been cleaned the last two years. All had been speaking Swedish? That is a great idea! Thanks for the photos of VIA’s F40PH’s! I like the F40’s! Good looking locomotives!. CM3 – Class Dm3 #1224 is one locomotive (9,600 hp) with a lot of traction effort, 211,320 lbf. Weight 592,940 lb. Length 105 ft 10 in.
Another Class Dm3.Thanks for the Boston & Maine steam locomotive information! A lot of “different” names. My favorite is Ye Salem Witch. Rob – See my response to CM3 for some data on Class Dm3. I agree with you, the chain is probably a homemade re-railing frog hanger. I looked to see if it could be a part of the brake rigging, but it doesn’t look like it. Interesting story on The Ottawa Arnprior and Parry Sound Ry! John R. Booth knew what he was doing! Smart guy. Town of Depot Harbor would be an interesting place to see. A lot of interesting facts about CNR The Huntsville Subdivision. I didn’t have any problem staying awake! Pete – Class Dm3 is a three section locomotive. You’ll find some data in my response to CM3. You are correct about SJ class G11. SJ bought 2 of those locomotives, # 1930 + 1931. #1930 was scrapped in 1973. So I don’t know where they got that 2-digit number. Thanks for the link! I found the story on No. 90773! I like the photos of the diesel locomotives! And, of course, the electric. I guess the electric is only running on third rail power. It doesn’t look like it has any pantographs. Correct?Nick – Colorful trains!! I have never seen that paint scheme before. I kind of like it. I also like the train to Totnes! I don’t know about the Belgian troops. I can’t see anyone laughing. Maybe smiling, but that was probably because they just heard a good joke.Allan – I prefer to look at snow on a postcard sitting on Waikiki Beach a sunny day. But standing in front of a woodburner looking at snow 15 niles away is okay.
Friday's Grin
Reason "things" happen!
Law of the Orient: A closed mouth gathers no feet.
It's THAT day again - Friday! Time to prepare for a relaxing couple of days off - so begin "training" with us! Grab a mugga freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee - a few pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery case <compliments of Mama ‘n Papa Grundledink> ‘n order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board!
(6) Allan sez Pete on Mar 15th
CONTEST CLOSES TODAY!
Thursday - March 7th: <all times Central standard>
Page 193 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 8:07 AM: Pretty early, but most welcome visit from our Resident WVA Connection!
Hmmmmm, was it the C&NW that ran on the "left" side of the tracks
Great stuff with the nameplates 'n explanations . . .
Mention of "Steamtown" brings to mind a visit the Bellows Falls, VT way back when <late 1960s>. It was a great time for the family - drove up from Melrose - stayed the night "somewhere" - took in the sights - just a lot of family fun. Anyway, is there anything left at the site these days Heard most of the collection was moved to Pennsylvania some decades ago . . . just wonderin' - thanx.
Appreciate the visit, chat, quarters 'n ROUND!
Page 193 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:20 AM 'n 10:54 AM: Enjoyed speaking with you on Thursday AM . . . good to know that there are still places in this world of ours where winter means just that - WINTER! <grin> Buy a snow blower!
Good observation: Boris is a Cyclops and therefore when his EYE gets bloodshot, well . . . he's just not quite with it! <uh oh>
Figured it wasn't CSX but the loco itself . . . <grin>
Thanx for the Classic Steam - goes back a ways . . . sparked the memory banks a bit!
Appreciate the two-fer, chat, extra-effort 'n of course support for the bar 'n "my other Thread"!
Page 193 - Pete <pwolfe> at 4:14 PM: You always find a great deal to talk about in your fine < I3 > Posts.
As we've discussed in various settings - what used to be <UTB> ain't no more! <grin> Back when you were a youngster, that activity slate you came up with probably reflected the leisure time activities for many folks in towns such as Rugby. Fast forward to the 21st century - times are not only different, but so are the interests. The pub isn't the focal point - beer ‘n spirits can be purchased at various locations ‘n kept at home - television has surely put a dent in gathering at the local watering holes, etc., etc. It's just one of those truths that many find hard to accept . . . I too recall the neighborhood tavern being a place for family gatherings - picnics on holidays - sponsorship for softball teams - darts ‘n pool tournaments - horseshoes too. Times ‘n interests have changed . . .
Three more fine Pix from your archives - lookin' good, Mate!
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Lovely day here - low clouds, hint of rain to be followed by...let's just say every TV station here has a different forecast and then there's the Weather Channel. Looks as though we'll have to look out the window tomorrow and check the weather rock.
Nix Pix were interesting, especially the vintage Great War picture. There was a celebration in DC yesterday for the last surviving U.S. WWI veteran. He is 107 yrs old and comes from (drum roll) West Virginia. He stopped driving at age 102 because his, "Daughter made me stop." I hope I'm that active when I reach 62.
Your idea about model layouts is a good one - I'll see if I can narrow it down by next model train day. The issue here is that there is so much that I remember or would like to work with. It runs the gamut from the Boston and Maine's Lexington Branch which, by the way, cries out to be modeled - it would make a dynamite shelf layout around a room. I know, OSP is already drooling because of the endless RDC possibilities. At the other end scenes from the SP, Rutland, NC&StL. I think you can see where this is going. Then we have NYC - quick, Boris, three fingers of your finest sedative.
Allan was by with comments.
Rob visited with CN material and Pete with some nostalgia. Pub teams? Why does that sound familiar?
Eric - Locomotive was a beast (as I said). It turns out that my guess abt. one unit was correct as well.
OSP was in with some VIA material of FP40s in all sorts of variations if you look at the pictures. I always heard that Capreol (loosely translated) meant "Place where the moose froze to the trees last winter."
Incidentally you win the prize for the quiz. CNW is the correct answer. It's my understanding that they ran that way because a lot of the railroad was financed through generous infusions of money from investors in the UK.
Steamtown back in the day was a fun place. Green Mountain still runs trains up there; powered by Alco locomotives. You can Google their site and see what's going on.
A "rerailing frog hanger" is NOT a wrestling hold (or whatever else you may have thought - yikes!). Think of a rerailer which is on a model railroad. The principle is the same. A rerailing frog is a device used to put a locomotive (or car) back on the tracks if it is not too badly derailed. Drop the frog on the rail just ahead of the derailed wheel(s) and run the unit/car forward. If (and this is a big if) all goes well the wheels climb the rerailer and drop back onto the track where they belong. If it doesn't work, then, you have a bigger problem. I have seen cribs used to do the same sort of thing. This is not for the fainthearted as there is not a whole lot of room for error and the results can often be worse than the initial problem.
The frogs (where used) are generally carried on the side of the locomotive so they are readily accessible. Other stuff carried on a locomoti9ve can include extra air hoses, MU connections, etc. You know you're in a rough area when you see extra coupler knuckles. Now there's a fun job whatever the season may be.
This leads me to our next quiz. What does the term "foolish end" mean? Hint: It relates to couplers and drawheads.
Man, did we get far afield this morning. I'd better get out of here. I'll try and post again later if I have time. If not, for those of you looking at snow; enjoy.
Good morning Ruth , I see that you are keeping warm by the fires,good of Boris to keep everything stocked up for you,at any rate I'm going to be bad and have a couple of the apple struedals from the pastery case and of coarse the large themos of the high octane BK blend ( for the vitamins )
Tom-Yes we do need to watch Helga a bit more carefully, now that Nicks back in the kitchen once in a while she's found his stash of hot sauces, wasabi , and other tinctures of hot chillies and curries. The upside is that the Rolled Paper company on the other side of the Mentor gorge is doing a booming busines and have ordered a fleet of paper products boxcars,there's talk of their own switch locomotive as well, and a new and improved 4 ply bathroom tissue.
I've told Boris to order more prep H as well , he brigthened up and thanked because he said it's good for his gums
Hope all goes well with your once over Boris has offerd to sit with you and Hilda said that should you need a nurse she has her "gear" in the back.
Eric-Wow over 9000hp in tracive effort good gawd gertie makes one wonder why railroads even bother with diesel locomotives anymore eh Loved the extra pictures as well.I have to say though you did do an awsome job on the feeding trays,so much so we did had to paint Awk's black as he wouldn't leave the reflection alone <uh oh > Oh Boris have you fed them yet If so then why is tex chewing on the throw rugs Yes you can have a small PPF but not until the others are seen too <sheesh>
CM3-So it was the C&NW again something I didn't necessarily know , I wonder why I thought it was the N&W,oh well.Yes re-railing frogs can sometimes do more harm than good,but it's better than haveing to get the big hook out every time espeacially if it's a hard to access part of the railroad where the derailment occured ( which inevitably is where it happens )Do you ever notice that when a coupler knuckle does break it's always the third car from the end on a mile long train I remember one about ten yeasr ago on the CN,I was at Bayview Jct getting some shots when a Hamilton bound train pulled up well short of the signals that were green for him, you could hear the warning bells as he { the conductor ) got out of the cab,Yes sir a mile back they snapped a coupler which separated the train and put it in emergency, it was a 40 minute walk back with the coupler. That train must of sat there for three hours while he fixed it.
Back in a bit.
Hello again Ruth , back for another refill of the BK speacial coffee oh and what the heck another donut from the mosheen as well ( cops kid after all ) Here is another reply from the depth's of the archeives.
Wierd Tales From The Barn #1 The Trolley and Teddy Roosevelt exerpt from a local newspaper. Once a trolley thretened to become a major player in US Politics.It came within a whisker of killing a US President, and nearly promoted a SecState to the office of the President of the US. Theodore Roosevelt had this run in on a dusty road just outside if Pittsfield Mass.The date was Sept 3 1902, barely a year after President Mackinnley's assasination.The President, and Govener Crane of Mass were tooling along in the Presidents open horse drawn landau, pulled by four prancing white horses. Facing them was George B Cortelyou, later the sectratary of Commerce and Labour, and up on the box was the driver and a Secret Service man named William Craig. Five outriders were riding along side in escort of the buggy. They were ahead of the buggy and were to far away to render assistance,and to add to their mortification another buggy loaded with newspapermen was up ahead of them heading for the same Country Club which was the Presidents destination. An open trolley, travelling in the same direction as the President's carriage overtook the Presidents carriage.Aboard it were a number of Pittsfields notables including the two top officers of the streetcar company.It was later rumoured and denied that they had ordered the motorman to hurry so that they could get to the Country Club in time to welcome the President.The trolley was in the centre of the road and the Landau on the right, well ahead of both vehicles was a place where the cars tracks swung from the center of the road to the right hand side.Concentrating on his prancing team, and unaware that the trolley was passing, the Landau's driver veered over the tracks.The landau was hit hard on it's rear left wheel and shoved aside,pitching it's occupants into the air. The President tumbled in the dirt, recieving a bruise on his cheek,a banged knee a cut lip and a severe shaking up.His glasses were knocked flying, his silk hat frazzled, and his frock coat torn at one elbow.According to the NY Times he told the horrorstruck motorman ; " I Think this is the most ***able outrage I ever heard of "Govener Crane and Secratary Courtelyou only recieved minor injuries; but the Landau driver was seriously hurt and SS agent Craig who stood up the instant of the impact to protect the President was thrown under the trolley and killed. The motorman , Euclid Madden, was fined 500 dollars and jailed for six months. Many Streetcarmen were convinced that Maden was only a victim of bad luck and of newspaper hue and cry. So a Pittsfield newspaper recollection of Teddy Roosevelt's unfortunate run in with a trolleycar. Rob
Hello Tom and all in
Here's a round for the house for all in. Been catching up with some stuff over the last couple of weeks - some great posts and I'll be back soon as I can with comments but been a bit busy I'm afraid.
Anyhow - hope all's well!
Regards
DL
Good to see visits from CM3 Shane - a two-fer from Rob 'n a suprise "nooner" from Dan!
Here's a piece that should "tickle the fancy" of anyone who appreciates rail travel in a dome car!
Before digging in - go to this link and spend 5 minutes or so viewing 'n listening to a fantastic review of dome cars in America . . .
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2baVBWMJ0Os
<link provided by wanswheel Mike - who else!?!?! You remember him - the guy who hasn't been seen since he was TWEEETED! >
Now Arriving on Track #1
Back in the Day - Number Fourteen
The Original California Zephyr
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The original California Zephyr
Before Amtrak operated a train with this name, the California Zephyr was operated by the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad from Chicago to Denver, Colorado, the Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad between Denver and Salt Lake City, Utah, and the Western Pacific Railroad from Salt Lake City to Oakland, California. Trains ran with cars of mixed ownership; cars cycled in and out of the consists for service, repairs, and varying passenger loads with the seasons.
The first train was christened in San Francisco by Eleanor Parker while California Lieutenant Governor Goodwin Knight, Mayor of San Francisco Leland Cutler, and WP President Harry A. Mitchell looked on. For the inaugural run in 1949, every female passenger on the train was given a corsage of "silver" and orange orchids that were specially flown in from Hilo, Hawaii. The women who worked as car hostesses on this train were known as "Zephyrettes."
The train traversed the route's 2,525 miles (4,064 km) in 2½ days.
Equipment used
The passenger cars used when the train was inaugurated in 1949 were as follows:
The forward section of the first Vista-Dome car was partitioned off and reserved for women and children only. There was a door in the corridor under the dome just behind the women's restroom that provided access to the reserved section. Early on however, this reserved section was opened up to all passengers and the door and partitions were removed. Like the train's operation, ownership of the cars was split between the three railroads almost evenly across all car types. Each car was owned by a single railroad, but the ownership of the cars on any specific day's run of the train depended more on what equipment was available at the terminals than whose railroad the train was operating over at the time.
Generally positioned as the se
NICK.Thanks for the kind words and for your great photos. I had not heard of the Guildford to Ascot service. I had a look at the map and I guess the train goes to Aldershot and reverses to get on the line to Ascot, interesting.
Enjoyed the photos of the South Devon Railway, for a short time the SDR trains used the link in the photo to run into the Totnes BR station. I think the link was used last year on a trip on which Alan was on that ran onto the SDR with class 5 No 45407.
ALLAN Thanks for the round and glad you are enjoying the photos.
I have finished the Shildon photos but I have found some prints from the Rocket 150, which was held at the site of the Rainhill trials near Liverpool. There were some different locomotives there as well as some old favorites that were at Shildon.
I see the ‘Toon' have a hard trip to Anfield Saturday, to cheer you up a bit after the Toon's recent form one of the LNER's finest.A.H Peppercorn Class A2 'Blue Peter'
Many thanks for the info and the link to the Wellington Metro.
ROB Yes it sounds a good hike in the Algonquin Park and being on the old trackbed would be even more interesting seeing the old bridges. The old KATY line across the river here is now a trail with the old bridges there is even a short tunnel near the town of Rocheport.
Many thanks for the Huntsville Subdivision Classic CNR steam encore. It certainly was busy. I see the time period was in steam days and I noticed the timber from Algonquin Park was at Scotia for the lumber mill there.
I have often thought about how it must be if there is a problem at the back end on one of the very long coal trains that run through here.
The ‘Weird Tales from the Barn' is a great series. It seems the motorman was harshly treated for what really was an accident especially if he was ordered to hurry by the officers of the tram company.
ERIC Thanks for the info and the photo on the DM3s.
I wonder if that 2-digit number was one the KWVR applied as their fleet number for 1931.
Glad you are enjoying the diesel photos I have a few more but I still wish I had taken more. The class 90 No 90130 is an overhead electric although the pantograph is not visible in the photo. It would have had to been towed to the open day.
The class 90s were introduced in1987 and were split between the passenger and freight divisions and numbered 90001-90050. They were built with a maximum speed of 110 MPH and fitted with Electric Train Services (ETS) for heat and air conditioning of the coaches. The freight division found ‘their' class 90s was being ‘borrowed' by the passenger division, so to stop this they had the ETS equipment isolated. These locomotives were renumbered 90125-90150.Today they have had the ETS restored and have returned to their original number.
CM3 The pub teams I was in were USUALY better behaved than the teams we face at Our Place.
Thanks for the explanation and the description how a Rerailing Frog is used. I remember seeing old photographs with a couple of jacks on the buffer beam probably for the same purpose.
I shall look forward to finding out what a ‘foolish end' is.
DL Great to see you in the bar. Thanks for the round. There have been some great posts lately and I will look forward to your comments when you can.
TOM Hope your visit to the Doc went OK.
You are so right about how times and traditions have changed. At one time a pub was the heart of a village nowadays even if the village as not lost its pub it is a very different place it was years ago in very many places. One thing that has done a lot of damage in the UK is the cost of beer in the pubs nowadays, it would be interesting to know haw much a pint has risen above the rate of inflation say over the last 20 years. There is something very wrong when the same beer is SO much cheaper in a supermarket than in a pub.
It must have great in the warm dome car watching the snowy scene pass by
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