Sleeper cars! No, not as in railway cars, but as in automobiles. Self driven ones. The idea here is that people can travel overnight in a car built as a sleeping compartment. The big draw of these is that they are very energy efficient, have low costs are are individualized taking you from origin to destination. Technology like this has the potential to make short haul flights obsolete because they would be a cheaper, more convenient and pleasent experience compared to a flight. Unfortunately, the same also applies to sleeper trains, with the added bonus that these cars will be faster and require no transfers between pickup and drop off. The page below goes through a detailed analysis of these cars, but needless to say, try to get on an Amtrak train soon. It will probably be rendered obsolete and shut down by the end of the decade.
https://ideas.4brad.com/sleeper-cars
At age 85, I think I can safely say that I will not use one of these. Nor would I buy any stock in a company that builds them.
Has anyone ever investigated the possibilites of sleeper hovercraft? Brainy science guys are working on this as we speak!
Since many short haul flights are used to connect to longer flights at an airline hub, I doubt they are going anywhere.
An "expensive model collector"
Having looked into mm wave radar and the other sensor technologies for self driving cars, I really don't see the technology ready for hands off driving in the next decade or so for general purpose roads. The technology may work 99+% of the time, but that less than 1% can be a killer.
ttrraaffiicc has a gloomy chrystal ball. listing of your posts
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gregcttrraaffiicc has a gloomy chrystal ball. listing of your posts
He's quite the shill.
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zugmann gregc ttrraaffiicc has a gloomy chrystal ball. listing of your posts He's quite the shill.
gregc ttrraaffiicc has a gloomy chrystal ball. listing of your posts
Seems he is in the grips of a great clinical depression.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
I read the link and it doesn't make much sense. It may be efficient but it is only usable for sleeping, which is a large capital outlay for occasional use. Also, for a family vehicle, it would have to be very large for all the lay-flat room.
I'm still waiting for the flying cars that PM and PS promised us by 1970.
Backshop I read the link and it doesn't make much sense. It may be efficient but it is only usable for sleeping, which is a large capital outlay for occasional use. Also, for a family vehicle, it would have to be very large for all the lay-flat room. I'm still waiting for the flying cars that PM and PS promised us by 1970.
These cars aren't purchased, they are hired. You would pay a fare, much like an airline or Amtrak. The difference is that this is cheaper and takes you door to door.
While technology is rapidly changing the groundrules, even faster than experts can imagine, this application seems like a real stretch.
ttrraaffiicc Backshop I read the link and it doesn't make much sense. It may be efficient but it is only usable for sleeping, which is a large capital outlay for occasional use. Also, for a family vehicle, it would have to be very large for all the lay-flat room. I'm still waiting for the flying cars that PM and PS promised us by 1970. These cars aren't purchased, they are hired. You would pay a fare, much like an airline or Amtrak. The difference is that this is cheaper and takes you door to door.
ttrraaffiiccThese cars aren't purchased, they are hired. You would pay a fare, much like an airline or Amtrak. The difference is that this is cheaper and takes you door to door.
Why fly in an hour when you can take a 10 hour car trip?
I'm old. I'm traditional. I have a fear of closed-in spaces.
I can't imagine lying down in a coffin-like vehicle, and letting it run down the Interstate at 75 mph while I am sleeping.
For some reason, I could sleep in an airplane with the autopilot engaged flying 500 mph and not think twice about it.
But this thing on the Interstate? No. Maybe if it wasn't so closed-in and small.
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I asked my doctor if I gave up delicious food and all alcohol, would I live longer? He said, "No, but it will seem longer."
In almost all of his threads, the OP seems to have an absolute faith in self-driving technology. This latest iteration may give a new definition to dying in your sleep.
zugmann ttrraaffiicc These cars aren't purchased, they are hired. You would pay a fare, much like an airline or Amtrak. The difference is that this is cheaper and takes you door to door. Why fly in an hour when you can take a 10 hour car trip?
ttrraaffiicc These cars aren't purchased, they are hired. You would pay a fare, much like an airline or Amtrak. The difference is that this is cheaper and takes you door to door.
This is something that is very obvious but many overlook or ignore it. Confinement to one vehicle or train car for 10-40 hours is much worse than a two-four hour flight and moving to different modes at the end points for a few hours.
I think Hyperloop would have a better chance of succeeding than this one. https://virginhyperloop.com/
GrampI think Hyperloop would have a better chance of succeeding than this one.
Not that it offers something I can't get better, safer, and far more cost-effectively from an augmented version of zunum...
Time to bring back trebuchets!
GrampI think Hyperloop would have a better chance of succeeding than this one. https://virginhyperloop.com/
Another exciting vision of the future for claustrophobics like me. I'll walk.
Overmod, it seems to me that the Virgin Hyperloop's real advantage would be in moving palletized freight. Do you think so? Constructing a true, direct trunk system with less need for a low grade route, impervious to weather, accident, and pilferage, tunneled or elevated as needed?
zugmannWhy fly in an hour when you can take a 10 hour car trip?
A one hour flight takes about three to four hours portal to portal.
Electroliner 1935 zugmann Why fly in an hour when you can take a 10 hour car trip? A one hour flight takes about three to four hours portal to portal.
zugmann Why fly in an hour when you can take a 10 hour car trip?
Electroliner 1935A one hour flight takes about three to four hours portal to portal.
Ok, so why spend 3-4 hours when you can spend 10?
zugmann Electroliner 1935 A one hour flight takes about three to four hours portal to portal. Ok, so why spend 3-4 hours when you can spend 10?
Electroliner 1935 A one hour flight takes about three to four hours portal to portal.
Maybe you don't want to be treated liked you are a cirminal to pass through TSA Security.
BaltACDMaybe you don't want to be treated liked you are a cirminal to pass through TSA Security.
We have to figure out the perfect grope-to-time ratio.
ttrraaffiicc Sleeper cars! No, not as in railway cars, but as in automobiles. Self driven ones. The idea here is that people can travel overnight in a car built as a sleeping compartment. The big draw of these is that they are very energy efficient, have low costs are are individualized taking you from origin to destination. Technology like this has the potential to make short haul flights obsolete because they would be a cheaper, more convenient and pleasent experience compared to a flight. Unfortunately, the same also applies to sleeper trains, with the added bonus that these cars will be faster and require no transfers between pickup and drop off. The page below goes through a detailed analysis of these cars, but needless to say, try to get on an Amtrak train soon. It will probably be rendered obsolete and shut down by the end of the decade. https://ideas.4brad.com/sleeper-cars
Maybe you should post actual operation of these concepts you claim will lay waste to the railway industry. You will have a stronger argument. This sleeper vehicle.. Not only is it redundant. It doesn't slash travel time. People want to travel faster. Not fall asleep for 8-10 hrs. in a car waking up the next day..
Here's a bullet point from your article
This range can be covered in 3.5-6.5 hrs. in a car. Flight time from gate to gate with TSA security check point 4 hrs, or less.. This sleeper car concept is dangerous, and not efficient at all.
How efficent will these "sleeper cars" be if they are only suitable for use at night? Do the beds fold up into the walls? Can they be used in daylight? How can someone sleep in them if they work on the night shift and it's sunny outside? Will they have window shades? Cops don't like cars with blacked out windows. If it's a rolling bedroom and a man and woman are in it and nature takes its course, what happens at a toll booth or when a cop pulls you over? So many unanswered questions. Imaginary concepts are like that, I guess.
gregc ttrraaffiicc has a gloomy chrystal ball. listing of your posts Huron Central Railway to end operations in December in General Discussion. Intermodal swan song in General Discussion. Goodbye to autoracks? in General Discussion. Put those containers away in General Discussion. CN Leaving Ottawa in General Discussion. Pessimism is the only accurate outlook in General Discussion. Bill Stephens's blog post about History suggests rail traffic won't fully rebound after recession in Observation Tower. The Final Decade in General Discussion. CN is reported to be mothballing the middle portion of the former BCR in General Discussion.
Ad hominem attack much?
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