BaltACDCSX has eliminated most of the line.
OK so there is no more of the St. Louis National Limited line or did CSX replace it with a parallel line? Just curious. They still service Louisville from Chicago so I would guess at some point that line crosses any East-West line they have.
CMStPnP BaltACD CSX has eliminated most of the line. OK so there is no more of the St. Louis National Limited line or did CSX replace it with a parallel line? Just curious. They still service Louisville from Chicago so I would guess at some point that line crosses any East-West line they have.
BaltACD CSX has eliminated most of the line.
The line fron North Vernon to Louisville is the line CSX has eliminated. The former B&O line from Cincinnati to St. Louis through North Vernon still exists, however, it has been rendered inoperable between Noble and Caseyville, IL. The rails still exist, it has not been officially abandoned but the rails have been cut.
From Detroit to Louisville trains operated Detroit-Cincinnati-North Vernon-Louisville.
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The C&O line from Lexington - Winchester - Ashland , Ky that follows what is now I-64 evidently was abandoned by C&O. Line still intact LEX- Louisville ?
BaltACDThe line fron North Vernon to Louisville is the line CSX has eliminated. The former B&O line from Cincinnati to St. Louis through North Vernon still exists, however, it has been rendered inoperable between Noble and Caseyville, IL. The rails still exist, it has not been officially abandoned but the rails have been cut. From Detroit to Louisville trains operated Detroit-Cincinnati-North Vernon-Louisville.
OK, I see I think I had the wrong line. I thought you meant the B&O line that crosses midway in Indiana on it's way to St. Louis from Columbus, OH. The map I am looking at shows they cross that line at Seymour, IN but on trackage rights.
I can't believe they abandoned Chicago to Louisville. No wonder they are trying to partner with whatever that shortline is in Indiana from Indianapolis to Louisville. Trying to restore that route.
CMStPnP BaltACD The line fron North Vernon to Louisville is the line CSX has eliminated. The former B&O line from Cincinnati to St. Louis through North Vernon still exists, however, it has been rendered inoperable between Noble and Caseyville, IL. The rails still exist, it has not been officially abandoned but the rails have been cut. From Detroit to Louisville trains operated Detroit-Cincinnati-North Vernon-Louisville. OK, I see I think I had the wrong line. I thought you meant the B&O line that crosses midway in Indiana on it's way to St. Louis from Columbus, OH. The map I am looking at shows they cross that line at Seymour, IN but on trackage rights. I can't believe they abandoned Chicago to Louisville. No wonder they are trying to partner with whatever that shortline is in Indiana from Indianapolis to Louisville. Trying to restore that route.
BaltACD The line fron North Vernon to Louisville is the line CSX has eliminated. The former B&O line from Cincinnati to St. Louis through North Vernon still exists, however, it has been rendered inoperable between Noble and Caseyville, IL. The rails still exist, it has not been officially abandoned but the rails have been cut. From Detroit to Louisville trains operated Detroit-Cincinnati-North Vernon-Louisville.
Columbus to St.Louis was the former PRR. Chicago to Louisville via Seymour was also the PRR. I believe by the time ConRail was created the Chicago/Louisville line was basically 10 MPH account track conditions-I presume that ConRail did some plant rationalization prior to the ConRail split with the NS.
The B&O line between Newark and Columbus was what the PRR used as their Main Line between the two cities; it was Dispatched by the B&O - in turn the line the B&O used between JO Tower in Akron and Warwick was jointly owned by the B&O & PRR (they each owned one track of the double track line) and was Dispatched by the PRR.
BaltACDColumbus to St.Louis was the former PRR. Chicago to Louisville via Seymour was also the PRR. I believe by the time ConRail was created the Chicago/Louisville line was basically 10 MPH account track conditions-I presume that ConRail did some plant rationalization prior to the ConRail split with the NS. The B&O line between Newark and Columbus was what the PRR used as their Main Line between the two cities; it was Dispatched by the B&O - in turn the line the B&O used between JO Tower in Akron and Warwick was jointly owned by the B&O & PRR (they each owned one track of the double track line) and was Dispatched by the PRR.
OK, long ago lived in Louisville for 2 years the PRR Bridge across the Ohio River is both massive and a Loiusville landmark. It was built and financed by L&N but PRR later purchased L&N's 60% interest. From what I understand L&N used to run Commute trains over it and into Indiana but those ended a long time ago.
CMStPnP BaltACD Columbus to St.Louis was the former PRR. Chicago to Louisville via Seymour was also the PRR. I believe by the time ConRail was created the Chicago/Louisville line was basically 10 MPH account track conditions-I presume that ConRail did some plant rationalization prior to the ConRail split with the NS. The B&O line between Newark and Columbus was what the PRR used as their Main Line between the two cities; it was Dispatched by the B&O - in turn the line the B&O used between JO Tower in Akron and Warwick was jointly owned by the B&O & PRR (they each owned one track of the double track line) and was Dispatched by the PRR. OK, long ago lived in Louisville for 2 years the PRR Bridge across the Ohio River is both massive and a Loiusville landmark. It was built and financed by L&N but PRR later purchased L&N's 60% interest. From what I understand L&N used to run Commute trains over it and into Indiana but those ended a long time ago.
BaltACD Columbus to St.Louis was the former PRR. Chicago to Louisville via Seymour was also the PRR. I believe by the time ConRail was created the Chicago/Louisville line was basically 10 MPH account track conditions-I presume that ConRail did some plant rationalization prior to the ConRail split with the NS. The B&O line between Newark and Columbus was what the PRR used as their Main Line between the two cities; it was Dispatched by the B&O - in turn the line the B&O used between JO Tower in Akron and Warwick was jointly owned by the B&O & PRR (they each owned one track of the double track line) and was Dispatched by the PRR.
When I was working on the B&O's St. Louis Division in 1966 as a Train Order Operator and spent a week working WS Tower at Watson, IN, I believe both the B&O & PRR used the K&IT bridge to cross the Ohio River into Louisville. The PRR Chicago-Louisville Main line ran straight to the bridge. The B&O ran to access the bridge from the East of it. Watson was the interchange between the B&O and the Southern Indiana railroad; a B&O line ran about 8 miles South from Watson to Jeffersonville, IN where the B&O had its TOFCEE ramp; it was also where a spur was constructed from the K&IT bridge to and through Watson into the Charlestown Ammunition Depot during WW II.
I got some time to walk the interlocking limits of the plant - which had B&O CPL's on the B&O routes and PRR Position Light signals on the PRR routes. Signal maintainer was required to keep all elements of the interlocking operational and the signals lit for all all routes - that being said there were 8 inch to a foot diameter trees growing in the gauge of the PRR routes as shortly after WW II the PRR stoped operating to the ammunition plant.
I never heard any stories of the L&N operating commuter trains.
BaltACDI never heard any stories of the L&N operating commuter trains.
My mistake.....it was PRR, wow, check it out though, more extensive than I could ever imagine but all of it torn up and abandoned including the EL train along the Louisville waterfront.
https://historiclouisville.weebly.com/interurban-elevated-rail.html
The pictures of the bridge I have seen show it still has two tracks but the second track is cut at each end and CSX just operates over the one remaining track.
CMStPnP BaltACD I never heard any stories of the L&N operating commuter trains. My mistake.....it was PRR, wow, check it out though, more extensive than I could ever imagine but all of it torn up and abandoned including the EL train along the Louisville waterfront. https://historiclouisville.weebly.com/interurban-elevated-rail.html The pictures of the bridge I have seen show it still has two tracks but the second track is cut at each end and CSX just operates over the one remaining track.
BaltACD I never heard any stories of the L&N operating commuter trains.
I had not heard of the B&O operating trains between Louisville and Charlestown Ammo plant during WW II - though it does make sense if the bulk of the work force was from Louisville (and Charlestown was in the wilderness in WW II) as there would be very few locally domiciled employees.
There were three RR bridges across the Ohio River in Louisville. From east to west, they were the NYC (Big Four), PRR, now owned by the L & I RR & K&IT, now owned by NS. B&O, Monon, and Southern used the K&IT. PRR used its own and the NYC used its own. I believe that the Indiana interurban also used the NYC bridge. The B&O, IC and C&O used the riverfront Central Station while the PRR & L&N used the L&N Station. As to CSX, they now use the Louisville & Indianapolis (former PRR) via trackage rights between Louisville and Seymour and/or Indianapolis. L&N interchanged sleepers with the PRR both in Louisville and Cincinnati. And with the B&O in Cincinnati.
And at one time, NYC had passenger service into Louisville. But that was before my time.
B&O had sleepers from Louisville to Detroit, St.Louis, Washington and New York. Some transfered at North Vernon and some transfered at Cincinnati. B&O had three trains each way, #1 & 2, The National Limited, #3 & 4, The Diplomat, and #11 & 12, the Metropolitan.
It is amazing to think that after WWII ended in 1945, air travel was just beginning to (pardon the pun) take off and intercity travel was almost all by rail. No Interstates. No Jets.
The NYC bridge main span still exists but its approaches were removed in '68. I believe they now have been replaced with pedestrian facilities
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