That is not really what I was recommending.
Fact, most people with carry permits are reasonably well trained, and very conservative and reserved as to when they would draw their weapon.
But once confronted by an agressor with a knife, it would be approperate to draw your weapon and use it if necessary.
It is not about thinking you are the self appointed police, it is about the right to use whatever force necsssary to defend yourself or others.
Which is my right as I see it.
Sheldon
schlimm It wasn't your question but it was Balt giving supporting citations for the point he was making. Having untrained civilians attempting to get an armed and mentally disturbed person under control is often a disaster in waiting. The potential for casualties is even worse if they are attempting to be self-appointed police with guns as Sheldon recommends.
It wasn't your question but it was Balt giving supporting citations for the point he was making.
Having untrained civilians attempting to get an armed and mentally disturbed person under control is often a disaster in waiting. The potential for casualties is even worse if they are attempting to be self-appointed police with guns as Sheldon recommends.
Backshop Nice links but that wasn't the question.
Nice links but that wasn't the question.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=94403
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Backshop wrote
"Okay, so how many legally carrying civilians have been mistaken for perps and shot by responding police?"
Tried Google search - Didn't find any Also didn't find any police shot by armed "good samaritians." This doesn't mean there wern't any in either case.
I was not able to find statistics on either govt or agenda web sites. .
There were a number of actual news articles (NBC, CNN, etc) about armed "good samatitians" saving police officers.
I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.
I don't have a leg to stand on.
BaltACD Whenever persons without law enforecement uniforms are in possession of and using a firearm - they become viewed as perpertrators when uniformed law enforcement arrives on the scene. Take a look at the statistics concerning under cover and/or off duty police that become involved in 3rd party gun play and are killed or seriously injured by their own 'brothers in arms' who are unable differentiate armed civilians between good and bad.
Whenever persons without law enforecement uniforms are in possession of and using a firearm - they become viewed as perpertrators when uniformed law enforcement arrives on the scene. Take a look at the statistics concerning under cover and/or off duty police that become involved in 3rd party gun play and are killed or seriously injured by their own 'brothers in arms' who are unable differentiate armed civilians between good and bad.
NKP guy How fitting that on Memorial Day weekend our nation should lose two fine men in the War on Hate. To my mind, Mr. Best and Mr. Meche represent the best of our country, and their brave and selfless deed of protecting the most vulnerable among us deserves to be memorialized with a plaque or statue, to say the least. I'm proud to live in a country that produced these two great citizens and heroes. "Greater love hath no man than he would lay down his life for his friends."
How fitting that on Memorial Day weekend our nation should lose two fine men in the War on Hate. To my mind, Mr. Best and Mr. Meche represent the best of our country, and their brave and selfless deed of protecting the most vulnerable among us deserves to be memorialized with a plaque or statue, to say the least.
I'm proud to live in a country that produced these two great citizens and heroes.
"Greater love hath no man than he would lay down his life for his friends."
Exactly! It's no wonder things like this happen. We live in a time where the flames of bigotry and racial hatred are fanned by irresponsible public figures. The marginalized and mentally unstable are especially likely to act under those influences.
This is what scares me to death. For the last 30 years of my employment I was in plain clothes. My fellow officers even those from neighboring jurisdictions knew me. What worried the heck outta me was the good Samaritan not seeing the bad guy but seeing me shooting at "something" and he starts to unload In my direction. Not good?
Backshop n012944 Or another innocent person could have died because of a stray bullet fired in a stuggle.... How many times has that happened when a legally armed person has had to draw their weapon to defend themselves or others? Actual newspaper articles or something similar would be appreciated.
n012944 Or another innocent person could have died because of a stray bullet fired in a stuggle....
Or another innocent person could have died because of a stray bullet fired in a stuggle....
How many times has that happened when a legally armed person has had to draw their weapon to defend themselves or others? Actual newspaper articles or something similar would be appreciated.
ATLANTIC CENTRALAnd maybe had they been armed they could have defended those women without being harmed, and possibly without firing a shot. This kind of coward will almost always retreat when confronted with greater force. As for the guy who did this, speedy trial and swift.......... Sheldon
Red herrings are still lovely this time of year.
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ATLANTIC CENTRAL NKP guy How fitting that on Memorial Day weekend our nation should lose two fine men in the War on Hate. To my mind, Mr. Best and Mr. Meche represent the best of our country, and their brave and selfless deed of protecting the most vulnerable among us deserves to be memorialized with a plaque or statue, to say the least. I'm proud to live in a country that produced these two great citizens and heroes. "Greater love hath no man than he would lay down his life for his friends." And maybe had they been armed they could have defended those women without being harmed,
And maybe had they been armed they could have defended those women without being harmed,
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Well said NKP Guy! There's nothing I can add to your observation, you said it all.
And maybe had they been armed they could have defended those women without being harmed, and possibly without firing a shot. This kind of coward will almost always retreat when confronted with greater force.
As for the guy who did this, speedy trial and swift..........
They should take that miserable POS, try 'im and fry 'im, he won't be missed by society in general. Or throw him in a cell and weld the door shut, at least.
I know I sound like a bloodythirsty meanie, but I'm sick of excuses. A mad dog is a mad dog, whether it stands on four legs or two.
That boy has some issues....
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