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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, April 26, 2020 7:39 PM

I feature that Covid-19 is not helping 1309 to get into running condition this year.

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Posted by MMLDelete on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:26 PM

Yup.

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Posted by DAVID GRIMM1 on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:26 PM

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... same with boats ...

 

 

Def. BOAT: Break Out Another Thousand.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Sunday, March 15, 2020 7:43 PM

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Aw, quite pickin' on Baltimore!  You can't beat it for boiled crabs n' beer!

Although I wish crab meat liked me as much as I like it...Ick!  

 

I can pick on Baltimore, I live there. Well, to be more specific I have lived in central Maryland near Baltimore my whole life, and worked in and around Baltimore as well.

As noted by others, those crabs are steamed.......

My grandfather was in the bar and restaurant business, when I was little guy, I would help him steam the crabs.

Spent many a summer day in my youth catching them in the Magothy River.

These days I live north of Baltimore, where the mighty Susquehanna empties into the Chesapeake Bay, still only a 35 minute ride to downtown on a good traffic day.........

So I have seen 1309 many times in my many trips to the B&O museum over these many years. Can't waite to see her run......

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Posted by Penny Trains on Sunday, March 15, 2020 6:56 PM

I'd love to chime in a recipe but, I like my throat open, so there's no way I'll ever be tasting any kind of shell fish.  Sad

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, March 15, 2020 2:54 PM

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Boiling crabs makes about as much sense as boiling lobster.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:31 PM

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Boiling crabs makes about as much sense as boiling lobster.

Boiling make the meat watery and overwhelms the taste of the meat.  Same thing with vegetables - steam cooks but lets the taste emerge.

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:28 PM

Boiling crabs makes about as much sense as boiling lobster.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, March 14, 2020 12:19 PM

Flintlock76
Aw, quite pickin' on Baltimore!  You can't beat it for boiled crabs n' beer!

Although I wish crab meat liked me as much as I like it...Ick!  

Boiled?  Marylander's don't boil crabs!  They steam them with lots of Old Bay seasoning.  Someone trying to boil crabs will be drawn and quartered at sunset and buried with the shells from the town crab feast.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, March 14, 2020 12:14 PM

Aw, quite pickin' on Baltimore!  You can't beat it for boiled crabs n' beer!

Although I wish crab meat liked me as much as I like it...Ick!  

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Posted by 54light15 on Saturday, March 14, 2020 11:36 AM

Atlantic Central- There's something to what you say- remember the movie "Tin Men?" it was set in Baltimore. Great flick! 

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Saturday, March 14, 2020 10:39 AM

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Sounds like WMSR bought this engine from a shady used car dealer (insert Baltimore joke here?)

 

*slaps roof*. Yeah, low mileage, run by a little old engineer to church and back on Sunday mornings!

 

It is after all Baltimore, the place where aluminum siding and Formstone brick veneer were first sold door to door.......

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, March 14, 2020 10:36 AM

zugmann

Sounds like WMSR bought this engine from a shady used car dealer (insert Baltimore joke here?)

 

*slaps roof*. Yeah, low mileage, run by a little old engineer to church and back on Sunday mornings!

 

Good one Zug!   Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, March 14, 2020 10:27 AM

Sounds like WMSR bought this engine from a shady used car dealer (insert Baltimore joke here?)

 

*slaps roof*. Yeah, low mileage, run by a little old engineer to church and back on Sunday mornings!

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by 54light15 on Friday, March 13, 2020 1:50 PM

Same with cars. Think of what it will cost you to restore that 1955 whatever. Quadruple that amount and you will still come up short. If you think that you'll sell it and make all the money back and a tidy profit when you're done, I suggest you take up golf. 

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Posted by MMLDelete on Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:36 PM

In the comments section below Hankey's article, all are positive except one. That one is anything but, and seems to be written by someone with personal axes to grind.

I will definitely go see the 1309 run once it's finished. It will be a hell of a sight.

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Posted by MMLDelete on Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:25 PM

... same with boats ...

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:59 PM

I restore old houses for a living, 100 years, 200 years, it's the same way with houses.

I can tell you a lot about an old house in just a few hours, but what it will really take to bring her back........

Let's just say that all the work I do is time and materials......

The last big one we did cost twice the starting budget, partly because of stuff we could not see, and could not have foreseen without expensive, invasive testing, and partly because the Mrs. client had expensive taste way beyond my recommendations........

The Mr. client recently confessed he did not always understand the costs at the time, but is now very glad he trusted my judgement.

1309 is one of my most favorite steam locos, I can't wait.......

I though John explained things rather well, and while he may not remember me, I knew him back when we were both rather young.......

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:40 PM

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I think if the WMSR knew what a nightmare the 1309 restoration was going to turn into they'd have told the B&O Museum "No thanks!" and passed on the 2-6-6-2 and turned their efforts into overhauling their 2-8-0.  

Before anyone starts on a steam restoration they should remember the words of Linn Moedinger of the Strasburg RR.  

"It's always going to cost a lot more than you think it will.  I've never been right on an estimate yet."  

And if a steam maestro  like Linn Moedinger could admit to that, well, what can we say?

It make no difference in what kind of transportation equipment anyone thinks about 'restoring' - Looking at the equipment where it stands is no indication of what the real condition of the equipment is.  It is only when you start to peel back the layers of the machine that you START to understand what kind of task you have undertaken.

The following video is Part 1 of a series that has now grown to 10 video that highlight the efforts necessary to restore to operation a piece of accessory equipment for the restoration of the NC&StL 576 in Nashville.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhpVOHkCFnw

Until you start 'digging into the beast' you have no idea what your job will be - what can be saved and reused, what has to be manufactured again as the original parts are far too damaged to ever be used again.

If one's cursory inspection of a piece of equipment creates the estimate in your mind that it will cost $X to bring it back to life, you had better have the budget for $5X to $10X for it to live again.

A former employee stealing the drivers bearing brasses didn't help the restoration effort from either a time or money point of view.

 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, March 12, 2020 8:52 PM

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The Hankey article is very enlightening and inspirational. And a good read.

I just have one question, and it's about this paragraph:

And the Vision was bold, plausible, and strategic. It just didn’t get clearly communicated, or accurately budgeted. If it had, I doubt that WMSR would ever turn a wheel behind steam again.

I get the first two sentences. But the final one seems to be saying that if the plan had been clearly communicated and well-budgeted ... the project would have been doomed to failure.

Say what?

What am I misreading? Or is it just some editing error?

 

I can't speak for Big John, he'll have to explain himself, assuming he's looking in on this thread.  But I will say this much.

I think if the WMSR knew what a nightmare the 1309 restoration was going to turn into they'd have told the B&O Museum "No thanks!" and passed on the 2-6-6-2 and turned their efforts into overhauling their 2-8-0.  

Before anyone starts on a steam restoration they should remember the words of Linn Moedinger of the Strasburg RR.  

"It's always going to cost a lot more than you think it will.  I've never been right on an estimate yet."  

And if a steam maestro  like Linn Moedinger could admit to that, well, what can we say?

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Posted by MMLDelete on Thursday, March 12, 2020 8:30 PM

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Along the top banner under Blogs and Forums 

 

On my phone, that's in a menu, not a banner. And while I found "Blogs and Forums" there, clicking on it did nothing.

But all was well on my computer.

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Posted by MMLDelete on Thursday, March 12, 2020 8:26 PM

The Hankey article is very enlightening and inspirational. And a good read.

I just have one question, and it's about this paragraph:

And the Vision was bold, plausible, and strategic. It just didn’t get clearly communicated, or accurately budgeted. If it had, I doubt that WMSR would ever turn a wheel behind steam again.

I get the first two sentences. But the final one seems to be saying that if the plan had been clearly communicated and well-budgeted ... the project would have been doomed to failure.

Say what?

What am I misreading? Or is it just some editing error?

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Posted by zugmann on Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:09 PM

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by SD70Dude on Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:34 PM

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I couldn't get URL tags to work earlier -- it might be something platform-specific.

I used it on my (Android) phone yesterday.  And today on a Windows PC with Firefox (still no PM functionality).  Maybe it's a Apple thing.

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What is stranger still is that using Kalmbach's own URL insertion tool (the little 'chain links' button  under italic text) fails to produce clickable Kalmbach links, indicating it doesn't have the functionality of direct use of BBcode.

Ironic indeed.

We really should have a sticky "Kalmbach Forums IT Help/FAQ" thread.  But I suppose it would probably get deleted after repeated clambake jokes....

This site's search function still doesn't work.  So I just use Google and adding cs.trains.com after whatever term I am searching for.  Seems to work pretty well.

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:17 PM

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To make it hot you have to put the link text in the url boxes.  Liks this, but with [] instead of {}. {url}link text{/url}

I couldn't get URL tags to work earlier -- it might be something platform-specific.

What is stranger still is that using Kalmbach's own URL insertion tool (the little 'chain links' button  under italic text) fails to produce clickable Kalmbach links, indicating it doesn't have the functionality of direct use of BBcode.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:52 PM

http://cs.trains.com/trn/b/observation-tower/archive/2020/02/12/1309-s-difficult-past-and-prosperous-future.aspx

To make it hot you have to put the link text in the url boxes.  Like this, but with [] instead of {}.

{url}link text{/url}

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, March 12, 2020 1:49 PM

Miningman
Along the top banner under Blogs and Forums

Or, since this is a specific blog post, the direct link for 'cut and paste' (Kalmbach does not support making its own links directly 'clickable'):

http://cs.trains.com/trn/b/observation-tower/archive/2020/02/12/1309-s-difficult-past-and-prosperous-future.aspx

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, March 12, 2020 9:20 AM

Miningman

Along the top banner under Blogs and Forums 

 

Beat me to it!

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Posted by Miningman on Wednesday, March 11, 2020 10:44 PM

Along the top banner under Blogs and Forums 

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