They've been making an appearance in Michigan, as well.
Of course, Michigan already has that phenomenon known as the "Michigan Left." That tends to baffle some people...
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There were some in Connecticut when I was a kid. People there called them "rotaries." There's more traffic cricles now outside of medium-sized Canadian cities like Kitchener and Cambridge than there were ten years ago. There's none in and around Toronto but I guess they'll be coming sooner or later. They are very common in France and Belgium but over there people know how to use them. I drove there last summer (the first time I ever drove in Europe) and had no trouble.
tree68 BaltACD I believe Wisconsin has more traffic circles than it does covid-19 cases. Near Sheboygan there are 4 all within sight of each other. More elsewhere! New England - home of the traffic circle. Some know them as "roundabouts."
BaltACD I believe Wisconsin has more traffic circles than it does covid-19 cases. Near Sheboygan there are 4 all within sight of each other. More elsewhere!
New England - home of the traffic circle.
Some know them as "roundabouts."
BaltACDI believe Wisconsin has more traffic circles than it does covid-19 cases. Near Sheboygan there are 4 all within sight of each other. More elsewhere!
Semper Vaporo-- There was an Issac Asimov short story about beings from another planet that landed on earth. One day they unearthed a STOP sign, the only thing left of civilization by a quirk of fate. The tale was about all the interpretations and meanings of the sign. Their conclusions made perfect sense but not even close to what it was. Hilarious.
Flintlock76 zugmann We have a couple. They actually work good if morons would stop stopping in them when not needed. Unfortunately today's drivers aren't trained on how to use them. Well, maybe today's high school kids learn about them in Drivers Ed, but we sure didn't 50 years ago. My father, who grew up in the 40's had to show me what a traffic circle was all about. Depending on the part of the country they used to be pretty common from the 20's through the 40's, and some lasted in New Jersey well into the 70's. There MAY still be some in the less-developed parts of the state but I'm not sure about that.
zugmann We have a couple. They actually work good if morons would stop stopping in them when not needed.
Unfortunately today's drivers aren't trained on how to use them. Well, maybe today's high school kids learn about them in Drivers Ed, but we sure didn't 50 years ago. My father, who grew up in the 40's had to show me what a traffic circle was all about. Depending on the part of the country they used to be pretty common from the 20's through the 40's, and some lasted in New Jersey well into the 70's. There MAY still be some in the less-developed parts of the state but I'm not sure about that.
I believe Wisconsin has more traffic circles than it does covid-19 cases. Near Sheboygan there are 4 all within sight of each other. More elsewhere!
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
I think they should just fill the subways with concrete... that way, in a thousand years it'll drive the archeologists nuts trying to figure out what kind of religious sect built an underground web of interconnecting 16 ft. diameter concrete filaments.
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Back in the day had to spend many a day in BOS . There were circles all over and got to observe how the natives handled them. Came in good stead for many years. Now we have some around here and it gives a chuckle to watch various wrong ways to transit the circles. And yes wrong way is one incident that I've observed.
zugmannWe have a couple. They actually work good if morons would stop stopping in them when not needed.
Finished. Done for. Better fiqure out what's next . Not going to happen even if declared 'all clear'. It will be "I might be healthy, but you can't trust that, and you might be healthy, but I can't trust that."
York1 Paul wrote, "Maybe sometime I'll post a thread about grade crossings running through traffic circles - now called 'roundabouts' to differentiate them. " While not a grade crossing, the picture below is a streetcar line that is in New Orleans at Lee Circle (now without Robert E. Lee's statue!). Even though the streetcars move fairly slowly, there are still mixups. I realize this picture doesn't clearly show the tracks. Streetcars going upriver enter the circle at the top from St. Charles. They travel around and exit at the bottom of the circle. Streetcars going the other direction enter the circle from the bottom. They travel ¾ of the way around the circle and exit on Howard Ave. The circle is the split where traffic going upriver is on a two-way street, where after leaving the circle downriver traffic is divided onto one-way streets. Many tourists who drive St. Charles Ave. get confused when streetcars are running through the circle. I'm confused trying to describe it!
Paul wrote, "Maybe sometime I'll post a thread about grade crossings running through traffic circles - now called 'roundabouts' to differentiate them. "
While not a grade crossing, the picture below is a streetcar line that is in New Orleans at Lee Circle (now without Robert E. Lee's statue!).
Even though the streetcars move fairly slowly, there are still mixups.
I realize this picture doesn't clearly show the tracks.
Streetcars going upriver enter the circle at the top from St. Charles. They travel around and exit at the bottom of the circle.
Streetcars going the other direction enter the circle from the bottom. They travel ¾ of the way around the circle and exit on Howard Ave.
The circle is the split where traffic going upriver is on a two-way street, where after leaving the circle downriver traffic is divided onto one-way streets.
Many tourists who drive St. Charles Ave. get confused when streetcars are running through the circle. I'm confused trying to describe it!
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I asked my doctor if I gave up delicious food and all alcohol, would I live longer? He said, "No, but it will seem longer."
zugmann tree68 Further clarification: Social planners. Future tyrants. Much easier to control people if they're all in one place...
tree68 Further clarification: Social planners. Future tyrants. Much easier to control people if they're all in one place...
EuclidI have a book called Cities Without Suburbs by David Rusk. It makes clear the war between being allowed to live in suburbs versus living in a modern city of New Urbanism where eveything has to be just so. That is where you go to find planning.
Hey, if it's in a book.
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charlie hebdoYour paranoia already nailed you!
Just repeating what I've read in the past. And if the current batch of petit tyrants doesn't scare you, it should.
I have a book called Cities Without Suburbs by David Rusk. It makes clear the war between being allowed to live in suburbs versus living in a modern city of New Urbanism where eveything has to be just so. That is where you go to find planning.
tree68 zugmann Some urban planners do - hence their name. Further clarification: Social planners. Future tyrants. Much easier to control people if they're all in one place... If I go any further into it, this will become a political discussion.
zugmann Some urban planners do - hence their name.
Further clarification: Social planners. Future tyrants. Much easier to control people if they're all in one place...
If I go any further into it, this will become a political discussion.
Your paranoia already nailed you!
tree68Further clarification: Social planners. Future tyrants. Much easier to control people if they're all in one place...
But you have to be careful with the other side of the coin. People move out to the country, next thing you know you have housing developments, traffic circles, and strip malls with cell phone stores and gym franchises.
EuclidBut too much planning will give you traffic circles.
We have a couple. They actually work good if morons would stop stopping in them when not needed.
zugmannSome urban planners do - hence their name.
zugmann I just don't like when people demean "planners". I live in an area that would have benefitted from much more planning that it received. Unfortunately, planning is often ignored, and it's why I have to drive through 45 useless traffic lights that shouldn't be there.
But too much planning will give you traffic circles.
I do think there will be a rebound from this disaster that will find people thinking about doing with less, saving their money, and living out in the country. Vacations and travel will decline. Home based businesses will surge. There will be unbelievable fallout from this miserable episode. What we have been hit with is much larger than many people can grasp.
I heard a statistic today that we have increased the U.S. money supply in circulation by a factor of three times. The source said that this will cause bigtime inflation, but it will be a couple years out. In the meantime, the value of real estate will plunge, leading to massive defaults and repossession of property. So now is the time to plan your future. As Tom Petty once sang: "The future is wide open."
tree68The point of my comment was not the people who want to live in relative isolation - it was the "planners" who would prefer we all live in cities.
Some urban planners do - hence their name. But regional planning is a thing, too. Just doesn't get much attention as its sibling.
I just don't like when people demean "planners". I live in an area that would have benefitted from much more planning that it received. Unfortunately, planning is often ignored, and it's why I have to drive through 45 useless traffic lights that shouldn't be there.
zugmannA lot of people love the idea of being isolated,...
I'm about a quarter mile from a small convenience store, but 7 miles from the nearest grocery store of any size, and 15 miles from the nearest small city.
While I was sitting in my back yard at oh-dark-thirty watching for meteors last week, all I could hear was the falls on the nearby creek and the occasional (very occasional) car on the state highway. Light pollution was near zero - the moon being the biggest problem.
And that's how it is with this entire area - small hamlets and villages of 500-700 people, spread out. If I need something, I can get it.
The point of my comment was not the people who want to live in relative isolation - it was the "planners" who would prefer we all live in cities.
tree68It's been said that that is some people's goal...
A lot of people love the idea of being isolated, but the rallies with people complaining that they can't go get their nails done, go to starbucks every day, or wonder target for no reason on a Friday night lead me to belive that it is just the idea they love. Not the reality. Most people are lost if they aren't constantly entertained or able to get their instant gratifications.
The ideal place to live is a population 15,000-30,000.
MidlandMikeThe world is very urbanized, and getting more so.
It's been said that that is some people's goal...
The world is very urbanized, and getting more so. Most people don't have a choice to spread out.
After this experience with social distancing people will want more space. Also more safety and security.
From the Financial Post Jack Mintz
Many businesses will have to rethink operations that until this March crowded people into airplanes, restaurants and bars, and offices. Trying to boost density has been the goal of much recent urban policy. Not any more! Rather than take public transit, many people will prefer driving alone to work. Living in an unattached single home will trump a densely crowded condo development. Travel for domestic vacations may feel safer than travel to a far away destination. People likely will be willing to pay a premium for space if it means more health protection at gyms, grocery stores and entertainment facilities.
Nothing 'doom and gloom' about any of that. My kids can come visit me for a change, be good for them to see the country instead of their usual Caribbean and Mexican holidays. I'm not flying commercial any more, period. Not interested in a cruise either. Northern Saskatchewan is one mighty big piece of pristine real estate "Big Lan, Few Pipple" . Lots of Exploration to do. Rocks to hammer, boating, fishing... enough!
I throughly agree with that also, but the two posts are not incompatible.
During the period of the virus infection, I live as normal a life as possible, but also are careful to oberrve all the rules that the Government places in response to the recmmendations of the overall medical profession.
During the severest lockdown period, I did not leave the Yeshiva, and prepared by having emergency supplies at the Yeshiva, where the small office became my Kosher-for-Passover bedroom and dining room. The Seder was with a couple who said I was the third member of their family, at their apartment on the Yeshiva campus, for the entire duration of the threat.
Some of the young single people have returned to the campus. But they are the ones who are delivering food to aged quarentened. So now the office as well my main studying location is unavailable to me and the on-campus rabbi, because we are elderly and thus more prone to pick-something the youngsters got from their clients. And the couple who are my adopted family also exclude themselves from that area.
As soon as the strictest lockdown was ended, I returned to spending weekday nights at my apartment, but as an elderly person, commute with the same taxi driver every day..
What I really meant was that once we have a real all-clear, and I am confident we will, I'll live a normal life again, not a life of fear. Including use of Jerusalem Light Rail, which on occasion is just as crowded as the Lexington Avenue 4 and 5 Exoresses during rush hour.
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