MiningmanHuh...I always receive an email that there is a PM.. just got one days ago. Must be the Russians Balt!!
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Huh...I always receive an email that there is a PM.. just got one days ago. Must be the Russians Balt!!
Murphy Siding Cotton Belt MP104 zugmann Cotton Belt MP104 If this is your new assignment, monitor the blog, boy you will have your hands full. Years before posting anything I watched the words fly fast and furious. Then a posting rules update occured last year........same ole same ole endmrw0310191254 I think she's doing a fine job. I agree But I am curious why this post below came in my email and not posted on the blog thread: RE: By the way Reply by charlie hebdo In the spirit of the Pythons, "Stop! Stop! This sketch is not funny!" I agree to this also endmrw0312180859 If you look closely, I think you’ll see that it didn’t come in an e-mail. It probably came in a PRIVATE MESSAGE, one meant to be private between you and the other forum member.
Cotton Belt MP104 zugmann Cotton Belt MP104 If this is your new assignment, monitor the blog, boy you will have your hands full. Years before posting anything I watched the words fly fast and furious. Then a posting rules update occured last year........same ole same ole endmrw0310191254 I think she's doing a fine job. I agree But I am curious why this post below came in my email and not posted on the blog thread: RE: By the way Reply by charlie hebdo In the spirit of the Pythons, "Stop! Stop! This sketch is not funny!" I agree to this also endmrw0312180859
zugmann Cotton Belt MP104 If this is your new assignment, monitor the blog, boy you will have your hands full. Years before posting anything I watched the words fly fast and furious. Then a posting rules update occured last year........same ole same ole endmrw0310191254 I think she's doing a fine job.
Cotton Belt MP104 If this is your new assignment, monitor the blog, boy you will have your hands full. Years before posting anything I watched the words fly fast and furious. Then a posting rules update occured last year........same ole same ole endmrw0310191254
I think she's doing a fine job.
I agree
But I am curious why this post below came in my email and not posted on the blog thread:
RE: By the way
Reply by charlie hebdo
In the spirit of the Pythons, "Stop! Stop! This sketch is not funny!"
I agree to this also endmrw0312180859
If you look closely, I think you’ll see that it didn’t come in an e-mail. It probably came in a PRIVATE MESSAGE, one meant to be private between you and the other forum member.
No. It was supposed to be a public post. I know what happened but I would be unwise to say.
DeggestyI last received a PM a month ago today--and it was in my email as well as in the proper place. Balt, have you received such in the last month and were not notified in your email?
Balt, have you received such in the last month and were not notified in your email?
I recieved PM's 2/5 and 2/13 and neither had e-mails.
I last received a PM a month ago today--and it was in my email as well as in the proper place.
Johnny
Until a couple of months ago, I would receive an e-mail whenever I was addressed on a PM. The e-mail would contain the contents of the post that was the PM. This stopped a couple of months ago.
Cotton Belt MP104 Deggesty It came to me in my email. Every now and then , I receive in my email something which is obviously a post that does not appear in the thread on my computer. Did the "mystery" post you got, ever appear public? Exactly what happened to me. I had two emails. One on the private email (it is noted as such). Next was an alert to a new public posting. When this was done I have the text shown w/o going to the forum. I copied that. Who knows it might appear public later on. But I sure agree this bickering needs to stop, but guess who keeps piling on. Thanks for the confirmation of what happened to me happened to you endmrw0312181021
Deggesty It came to me in my email. Every now and then , I receive in my email something which is obviously a post that does not appear in the thread on my computer.
It came to me in my email. Every now and then , I receive in my email something which is obviously a post that does not appear in the thread on my computer.
Did the "mystery" post you got, ever appear public?
Exactly what happened to me. I had two emails. One on the private email (it is noted as such). Next was an alert to a new public posting. When this was done I have the text shown w/o going to the forum. I copied that. Who knows it might appear public later on.
But I sure agree this bickering needs to stop, but guess who keeps piling on.
Thanks for the confirmation of what happened to me happened to you endmrw0312181021
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Murphy Siding RLAS? Running with lights & siren?
RLAS? Running with lights & siren?
Just "Red Lights and Siren."
I suppose for police in the southeast it would have to be BLAS...
Sometimes it'll just be "lights and siren."
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OvermodA further wrinkle: in New Jersey, doctors were issued special MD plates. If the police caught one of these "speeding" they would follow, perhaps RLAS, but not make a traffic stop until it was clear the doctor was not responding to an emergency. I do not know if a citation would subsequently be issued in the emergency room once a legitimate 'speed emergency' was over...
Here in NY, volunteer firefighters are still authorized to display a blue light when responding to a call. The light is specifically called a "courtesy light" and confers absolutely no privileges to the driver. They still have to observe the speed limits, stop for stop signs and lights, etc.
Every now and then I'll hear a police patrol ask dispatch if there's an emergency in such and such an area. Most generally there is. Folks running blue lights may bend the rules a bit, and other drivers will often yield as they would a true emergency vehicle, but they are under no obligation to do so.
There have been a few cases of folks observed bending the rules a little too far. Oftimes upon their return to the station, they'll be met by a police officer, if for nothing more than a "talking to." Unless they did something really stupid...
Unfortunately, adrenaline sometimes overtakes common sense, especially with the younger folks, occasionally with tragic results.
OvermodNote that even a legitimate ambulance with qualified crew cannot run 'lights and sirens' to get to lunch or get someone to an appointment early.
As often as not these days, you'll see ambulances headed for the hospital sans lights and sirens (and sometimes even going to the scene quiet). There were those who used to believe that if there was a patient in the back, they had to run with the lights. Now we know that the danger of having an accident goes up greatly while running lights and siren, so we go in quiet. If you see an ambulance headed for the hospital RLAS, odds are there's a really sour patient in the back.
Electroliner 1935Comment please.
Haven't researched federal law, but I can't see where a vehicle not designed for emergency response would have precedence over a vehicle operating in emergency mode, regardless of who owns it.
I can see where a postal vehicle might be exempted from certain restrictions (like parking), but on the road it would be just normal rules of the road. I wouldn't want to be the driver of such a vehicle involved in a collision if I was, in fact, at fault.
The explosive ordnance disposal team at a nearby military base had to get permission from the state to run red lights on their vehicles. They had to convince the state that they were operating emergency response vehicles.
The problem that comes up in situations such as you describe is that at some point someone either hears something to that effect and takes it to heart, or reads something to that effect and misinterprets the scope and intent.
Electroliner 1935One of my friends worked for the Postal service and had an experience where (and here my memory gets a little fuzzy) there was some contest for ROW between him and an ER vehicle. And he told me and the group I was in at the time that Federal Law trumps (parden the word) State and Municipal rules and that the ER had to yield to the Federal vehicle.
Here is where ownership and authorization part company. Just because a vehicle is owned by a Federal agency does not 'authorize' it as an emergency vehicle (or, for that matter, permit it to violate state MV laws). The situation is different for vehicles with diplomatic plates ... but for different reasons.
Note that even a legitimate ambulance with qualified crew cannot run 'lights and sirens' to get to lunch or get someone to an appointment early.
Now, if you were to threaten a postal employee even peripherally there are all sorts of surprising penalties, and that may include 'road rage' like encounters over perceived right of way. But I have yet to see a particularly fast-moving postal vehicle, let alone one recognized as an authorized emergency vehicle under any applicable law.
A further wrinkle: in New Jersey, doctors were issued special MD plates. If the police caught one of these "speeding" they would follow, perhaps RLAS, but not make a traffic stop until it was clear the doctor was not responding to an emergency. I do not know if a citation would subsequently be issued in the emergency room once a legitimate 'speed emergency' was over...
Larry,
What I mentioned earlier about the rules for a conflict between a postal vehicle and an emergency responder vehicle was caused by an event that happened back in the late 50's while I was in college. One of my friends worked for the Postal service and had an experience where (and here my memory gets a little fuzzy) there was some contest for ROW between him and an ER vehicle. And he told me and the group I was in at the time that Federal Law trumps (parden the word) State and Municipal rules and that the ER had to yield to the Federal vehicle. I don't know whether this was/is true but it something I remembered. Comment please.
Cotton Belt MP104I have a copy of Arkansas statutes that I am sending him, and it says exactly what I said. He can cite his states laws but I have wording that actually says what I said in our statutes.
Actually, what you sent me was the recommended instructions for a judge to give a jury. Even with that, at no point in the pertinant state laws does it say that an emergency vehicle has the authority (the power or right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience) to disregard V&T laws. In fact, it specifically uses the word "privilege" (a right, immunity, or benefit enjoyed only by a person beyond the advantages of most), and then only with due regard.
The only time the word authorized appears in any of the pertinent V&T laws regards defining the requirements for an authorized emergency vehicle.
Back to the current programming.
Cotton Belt MP104If this is your new assignment, monitor the blog, boy you will have your hands full. Years before posting anything I watched the words fly fast and furious. Then a posting rules update occured last year........same ole same ole endmrw0310191254
The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.
Cotton Belt MP104two questions: does the kid have a valid drivers license and what is a framis
We will assume that everything is legal, license, registration, insurance, etc, etc.
A framis is a key component of a divariable fribersitcher.
BaltACDArkansas has never been considered progressive, except for inflicting the Clinton family on the country.
That May be so, but it's immaterial. Less immaterial is that the 'rules violation' involved in starting all this controversy took place in that state.
Cotton Belt MP104I have a copy of Arkansas statutes that I am sending him, and it says exactly what I said. He can cite his states laws but I have wording that actually says what I said in our statutes. endmrw0310181312
Arkansas has never been considered progressive, except for inflicting the Clinton family on the country.
n012944 Um, no you were in error because you were not clear with the details. As pointed out by many, what you said was wrong on non GCOR railroads. And since you never mentioned a railroad in your almost unreadable 1st post, those that pointed out your error were correct. Funny thing is, I weighed in a few times saying about the same thing about authority vs. permission and it's like no one noticed. I knew the location he was talking about. That the railroad was UP, involving former Cotten Belt and Rock Island trackage. I guess I assumed most every one else knew it at least to be UP, too. I guess I also assumed if I acknowledgded some of what he posted, people might realize we aren't talking NS, CSX or NORAC rules here. Jeff You also assume I had any idea what railroad you work for (I didn't). The OP also argued the whole permission/authority in other contexts, ie emergancy vehicles running red lights, which took the whole conversation past GCOR vs CSX/NS/NORAC rulebook wording. THAT is were some of us took issue with it, and I am not sure why the OP feels the need to play some internet forum victim card when called out for his/her wording.
Um, no you were in error because you were not clear with the details. As pointed out by many, what you said was wrong on non GCOR railroads. And since you never mentioned a railroad in your almost unreadable 1st post, those that pointed out your error were correct.
Funny thing is, I weighed in a few times saying about the same thing about authority vs. permission and it's like no one noticed. I knew the location he was talking about. That the railroad was UP, involving former Cotten Belt and Rock Island trackage. I guess I assumed most every one else knew it at least to be UP, too. I guess I also assumed if I acknowledgded some of what he posted, people might realize we aren't talking NS, CSX or NORAC rules here. Jeff You also assume I had any idea what railroad you work for (I didn't). The OP also argued the whole permission/authority in other contexts, ie emergancy vehicles running red lights, which took the whole conversation past GCOR vs CSX/NS/NORAC rulebook wording. THAT is were some of us took issue with it, and I am not sure why the OP feels the need to play some internet forum victim card when called out for his/her wording.
Funny thing is, I weighed in a few times saying about the same thing about authority vs. permission and it's like no one noticed. I knew the location he was talking about. That the railroad was UP, involving former Cotten Belt and Rock Island trackage. I guess I assumed most every one else knew it at least to be UP, too. I guess I also assumed if I acknowledgded some of what he posted, people might realize we aren't talking NS, CSX or NORAC rules here.
Jeff
Please, how many times have I shared that I DO NOT work on any railroad. I was a crew carrier. I didn't assume anything, if anyone asssumed wrongly, it was those who are not paying attention to the ORIGINAL post.
Turn it loose, please, it's over, case closed (for my part). I will discuss privately with those truly curious about the incident endmrw0310181317
Sorry for the example of the emergency vehicle, but then he used the trip to the store. I have a copy of Arkansas statutes that I am sending him, and it says exactly what I said. He can cite his states laws but I have wording that actually says what I said in our statutes. endmrw0310181312
Well, I think most everyone who's a regular on here knows who I work for. Or at least that I use GCOR since those are the rules I cite for current operations.
Angela Pusztai-PasternakPlease keep this to friendly conversations about railroading and not nitpicking one another about language usage. Happy Fri-Yay! Ang
Is this an example of what you mean, Ang?
For the record I did point out exactly the location, if they did not know what railroad was there it is not my fault they are lacking in full railroading knowledge across the United States
"As pointed out by many" are folks that insisted I was wrong but are I guess Eastern US crew. It is important to note that one who has clariied the situation and agrees with me is a real railroader and they still want to qualify/ignore his remarks
If this is your new assignment, monitor the blog, boy you will have your hands full. Years before posting anything I watched the words fly fast and furious. Then a posting rules update occured last year........same ole same ole endmrw0310191254
jeffhergert n012944 Cotton Belt MP104 Deggesty CSSHEGEWISCH A college professor once told my class that we can use any words we want as long as we agree on the definitions. Definitions of the various words used in the Operating Rules are what matter. Exactly. You may not act as Humpty Dumpty in Through Looking Glass did, saying that words mean "what I want them to." You must know what the words in your rule book mean--and live by them. Exactly, ........and that is what happened in this discussion about authority versis permission. Those who said I was in error concerning my first post, have been shown via Jeff's post, especially the most recent one, it is as I said. And I was not repeating "what I wanted them to mean" or discounted as "fourth hand shanty talk" endmrw0310181015 Um, no you were in error because you were not clear with the details. As pointed out by many, what you said was wrong on non GCOR railroads. And since you never mentioned a railroad in your almost unreadable 1st post, those that pointed out your error were correct. Funny thing is, I weighed in a few times saying about the same thing about authority vs. permission and it's like no one noticed. I knew the location he was talking about. That the railroad was UP, involving former Cotten Belt and Rock Island trackage. I guess I assumed most every one else knew it at least to be UP, too. I guess I also assumed if I acknowledgded some of what he posted, people might realize we aren't talking NS, CSX or NORAC rules here. Jeff
n012944 Cotton Belt MP104 Deggesty CSSHEGEWISCH A college professor once told my class that we can use any words we want as long as we agree on the definitions. Definitions of the various words used in the Operating Rules are what matter. Exactly. You may not act as Humpty Dumpty in Through Looking Glass did, saying that words mean "what I want them to." You must know what the words in your rule book mean--and live by them. Exactly, ........and that is what happened in this discussion about authority versis permission. Those who said I was in error concerning my first post, have been shown via Jeff's post, especially the most recent one, it is as I said. And I was not repeating "what I wanted them to mean" or discounted as "fourth hand shanty talk" endmrw0310181015 Um, no you were in error because you were not clear with the details. As pointed out by many, what you said was wrong on non GCOR railroads. And since you never mentioned a railroad in your almost unreadable 1st post, those that pointed out your error were correct.
Cotton Belt MP104 Deggesty CSSHEGEWISCH A college professor once told my class that we can use any words we want as long as we agree on the definitions. Definitions of the various words used in the Operating Rules are what matter. Exactly. You may not act as Humpty Dumpty in Through Looking Glass did, saying that words mean "what I want them to." You must know what the words in your rule book mean--and live by them. Exactly, ........and that is what happened in this discussion about authority versis permission. Those who said I was in error concerning my first post, have been shown via Jeff's post, especially the most recent one, it is as I said. And I was not repeating "what I wanted them to mean" or discounted as "fourth hand shanty talk" endmrw0310181015
Deggesty CSSHEGEWISCH A college professor once told my class that we can use any words we want as long as we agree on the definitions. Definitions of the various words used in the Operating Rules are what matter. Exactly. You may not act as Humpty Dumpty in Through Looking Glass did, saying that words mean "what I want them to." You must know what the words in your rule book mean--and live by them.
CSSHEGEWISCH
A college professor once told my class that we can use any words we want as long as we agree on the definitions. Definitions of the various words used in the Operating Rules are what matter.
Exactly. You may not act as Humpty Dumpty in Through Looking Glass did, saying that words mean "what I want them to."
You must know what the words in your rule book mean--and live by them.
Exactly, ........and that is what happened in this discussion about authority versis permission. Those who said I was in error concerning my first post, have been shown via Jeff's post, especially the most recent one, it is as I said. And I was not repeating "what I wanted them to mean" or discounted as "fourth hand shanty talk" endmrw0310181015
You also assume I had any idea what railroad you work for (I didn't). The OP also argued the whole permission/authority in other contexts, ie emergancy vehicles running red lights, which took the whole conversation past GCOR vs CSX/NS/NORAC rulebook wording. THAT is were some of us took issue with it, and I am not sure why the OP feels the need to play some internet forum victim card when called out for his/her wording.
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jeffhergert Um, no you were in error because you were not clear with the details. As pointed out by many, what you said was wrong on non GCOR railroads. And since you never mentioned a railroad in your almost unreadable 1st post, those that pointed out your error were correct. Funny thing is, I weighed in a few times saying about the same thing about authority vs. permission and it's like no one noticed. I knew the location he was talking about. That the railroad was UP, involving former Cotten Belt and Rock Island trackage. I guess I assumed most every one else knew it at least to be UP, too. I guess I also assumed if I acknowledgded some of what he posted, people might realize we aren't talking NS, CSX or NORAC rules here. Jeff
Thanks Jeff. I had lunch recently with ten of the retired SSW/MoP guys. Two in the group were of the crew at Brinkley. The fireman said he could care less if anyone knew his name and what happened. Fine w/him. He also confirmed he had never shoveled coal as he hired out in 1961 and was the last fireman listed on SSW roster. He laughed when we reminised about the young official who did not know what a fireman did.
There is a critical update on the incident and I will share that with those who were actually wanting to know about this incident rather than throw it away as nonsense. In fact I might need your help on details since you can research trackage in detail there. The one who was at fault was not in the meeting. He lives in Brinkley and that is sorta why things went wrong. He commuted to Jonesboro for work. The brakeman at the lunch, who was off for six months went to his cabin and fished all that time. At the time of the incident he was waiting to switch far away from the incident and wondered, why the heck are they just sitting there. Dispatch told them to "Stop, don't move". I am sure there were telephone calls to the officials on site who had no clue what rules infraction had occured. More later endmrw0310181150
Well, Jeff, it is true that not everyone is as aware of whom the UP swallowed as you, MC, Carl, Larry, and I are.
I wonder how many people in road service had to re-learn this rule and that rule as a result of the Big Gulps.
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