Cast your gaze about 5 years down the road. There are a lot of trends in the works right now concerning transportaion. How will they play out? Five years from now, on October 26th, 2022 what will we be discussing on the Trains Magazine Forum?
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Murphy SidingFive years from now, on October 26th, 2022 what will we be discussing on the Trains Magazine Forum?
We seem to discuss the same stuff today as we did 5 years ago.
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What will we be discussing? Probably how those lousy, low-down, dirty, stinky, smelly, soul-less, motherless diesel assassins murdered our beloved steam locomotives and how it shows there's no justice in this world!
Hey, that's what we ALWAYS do! Some thing's ain't gonna change, nor should they!
The disappearance of the 50-foot IPD box cars.Why can't we have any long-distance passenger service in the country?The wrecks caused by malfunctions in Positive Train Control.EHH attempts to bring precision service to the Hudson Bay Railway, because the crisp air is better for him up there.Mudchicken might retire, after which Mookie will probably consent to being declawed and be content to be lying by the fire. A certain pair of tin shoes will have corroded, and the Scoundrel Command will completely disband.
Carl
Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!)
CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM)
zugmannWe seem to discuss the same stuff today as we did 5 years ago.
Indeed.
I suspect that much will depend on where energy goes - is coal still a player? How about oil?
And technology - has PTC been worth it? One man crews, and even self-driving or remote (as in miles away) control trains?
I suspect our two resident taboo topics will still be taboo, albeit unchanged in the real world.
And has CSX recovered from EHH yet?
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CShaveRR Mookie will probably consent to being declawed
She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw
Mookie Wow! we have a feisty cat! CShaveRR Mookie will probably consent to being declawed When pigs fly!
Wow! we have a feisty cat!
When pigs fly!
Johnny
Well that took a weird turn. For starters, I'd say in 5 years we'll be talking about how the pendulum has swung back in the energy world, making coal and oil shipments hot items again,
Murphy Siding Well that took a weird turn. For starters, I'd say in 5 years we'll be talking about how the pendulum has swung back in the energy world, making coal and oil shipments hot items again,
Nope... the pendulum will stop swinging due to lack of energy (or interest).
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
Semper Vaporo Murphy Siding Well that took a weird turn. For starters, I'd say in 5 years we'll be talking about how the pendulum has swung back in the energy world, making coal and oil shipments hot items again, Nope... the pendulum will stop swinging due to lack of energy (or interest).
Murphy Siding Semper Vaporo Murphy Siding Well that took a weird turn. For starters, I'd say in 5 years we'll be talking about how the pendulum has swung back in the energy world, making coal and oil shipments hot items again, I'm not sure I understand your post. Lack of coal and oil? Lack of interest in coal and oil? Lack of interest in forum discussions about cole and oil? Ot lack of energy or interest in internet forums in general?
Semper Vaporo Murphy Siding Well that took a weird turn. For starters, I'd say in 5 years we'll be talking about how the pendulum has swung back in the energy world, making coal and oil shipments hot items again,
I'm not sure I understand your post. Lack of coal and oil? Lack of interest in coal and oil? Lack of interest in forum discussions about cole and oil? Ot lack of energy or interest in internet forums in general?
You left out lack of energy to discust Cole and oil.
But to answer all 5 questions... Yes.
Intermodal profitability and growth - or the lack thereof.
And yes - autonomous vehicle technology. It should be far easier to implement on railraods, and in controlled situations such as an intermodal yard, than out on the public streets and highways.
Brave, very very brave.....
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Five years from now Brightline Florida will be running and (hopefully) extended to Orlando. By then we will certainly know if the idea is a local success or a success worthy of repeating on a national scale. It will be an interesting half-decade.
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On 10/26/22 we could talk about how I celebrated my 24th year on the railroad. 10/26 is my hire date, the day I started new-hire class. My trainman's seniority date is 11/14, the day we graduated from class. I had to wait for the conductor I was assigned to for training to return before I could mark up, so my first actual trip was 11/16. Which was also my father's birthday.
This year I celebrated 19 years with a 9900 foot manifest that had a dynamiter. The inbound crew said the air went everytime they set air. Using a trick of the trade, I was luckier. I set air four times and it only went twice.
Jeff
jeffhergertThis year I celebrated 19 years with a 9900 foot manifest that had a dynamiter. The inbound crew said the air went everytime they set air. Using a trick of the trade, I was luckier. I set air four times and it only went twice. Jeff
For which your Conductor thanked you (under their breath).
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
zugmann Murphy Siding Five years from now, on October 26th, 2022 what will we be discussing on the Trains Magazine Forum? We seem to discuss the same stuff today as we did 5 years ago.
Murphy Siding Five years from now, on October 26th, 2022 what will we be discussing on the Trains Magazine Forum?
That's pretty much what I expect as well. I would expect some more discussion/nostalgia over the equipment from the beginnings of the passenger rail revival - Amfleet will be 45+ years old, original BART cars will be 50 years old (BART service started in September 1972.
Progress only moves that rapidly with Information Technology. Transportation moves at a snail's pace (no pun intended).
BLS53 Progress only moves that rapidly with Information Technology. Transportation moves at a snail's pace (no pun intended). AMEN!
AMEN!
Norm
I suspect there will be discussion of some incident that PTC was thought to protect and didn't.
rdamonNews Wire: Lac-Mégantic disaster trial enters fifth year
No, you meant
Lac-Mégantic disaster trial discussion enters fifth year
Overmod rdamon News Wire: Lac-Mégantic disaster trial enters fifth year No, you meant Lac-Mégantic disaster trial discussion enters fifth year
rdamon News Wire: Lac-Mégantic disaster trial enters fifth year
Sorry - the discussion will be in it's NINTH year in 2022.
BaltACDSorry - the discussion will be in its NINTH year in 2022.
Note that I said ‘Lac Megantic trial discussion’ (the trial only having started a month ago) not ‘the trial of the Lac Megantic discussion’ which of course has been ‘trying since 2013’.
The trial discussion will only seem like it‘s nine years old in 2022. Of course, in some respects it already does.
Overmod BaltACD Sorry - the discussion will be in its NINTH year in 2022. Note that I said ‘Lac Megantic trial discussion’ (the trial only having started a month ago) not ‘the trial of the Lac Megantic discussion’ which of course has been ‘trying since 2013’. The trial discussion will only seem like it‘s nine years old in 2022. Of course, in some respects it already does.
BaltACD Sorry - the discussion will be in its NINTH year in 2022.
One cannot separate the incident from the trial about the incident. You can't have one without the other - unless there was no trial at all.
Yes, but...
... the story about the trial proceedings, what the witnesses and counsel said and didn’t say, how the news workers use the fact of the trial to spin things ... THAT is the focus of the present discussion. Not rehashing what we understand to be the matters of fact, or what we think about management or employees or training policies — but rather what the Court is saying about those things.
Now, much of the present discussion has involved a certain amount of speculation about specific questions or lines of questioning that we’d like to see raised, and while this can verge over into a certain amount of wishful thinking or even castigation it still involves the trial’s interpretation of the ‘facts of the case’ and not reopening the speculo-fest of the original post-accident thread... which a number of posters obstinately keep trying to do.
My attempt at humor was to note that the ‘Trial’ thread was likely to drag on even longer than the other one did. It did not occur to me that the original discussion might be hellishly resurrected repeatedly to trouble our lives and yea perhaps our very souls. But as the Yale band said to Princeton at a football game in November, Halloween’s over, so perhaps there can be hope for a while.
Overmod Yes, but... ... the story about the trial proceedings, what the witnesses and counsel said and didn’t say, how the news workers use the fact of the trial to spin things ... THAT is the focus of the present discussion. Not rehashing what we understand to be the matters of fact, or what we think about management or employees or training policies — but rather what the Court is saying about those things. Now, much of the present discussion has involved a certain amount of speculation about specific questions or lines of questioning that we’d like to see raised, and while this can verge over into a certain amount of wishful thinking or even castigation it still involves the trial’s interpretation of the ‘facts of the case’ and not reopening the speculo-fest of the original post-accident thread... which a number of posters obstinately keep trying to do. My attempt at humor was to note that the ‘Trial’ thread was likely to drag on even longer than the other one did. It did not occur to me that the original discussion might be hellishly resurrected repeatedly to trouble our lives and yea perhaps our very souls. But as the Yale band said to Princeton at a football game in November, Halloween’s over, so perhaps there can be hope for a while.
I don’t see how you make the distinction between what was discussed right after the accident versus what is discussed during the trial now. It is all one story. Where is the speculo-fest that so troubles you? The facts being discussed in the trial are the same facts we learned after the accident and the TSB reports. Speculation always precedes leaning the facts. Nobody is now speculating on what has become known. But what is not yet known is how the known facts will be processed through this trial. All we can do, therefore, is weigh the potential interpretations and outcomes. We would not even be talking about the accident if it were not for the trial revisiting it.
Maybe we need a new forum rule:
No discussions that hellishly trouble our lives and perhaps our very souls.
Overmod Yes, but...
Euclid Maybe we need a new forum rule: No discussions that hellishly trouble our lives and perhaps our very souls.
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