October 26th, 2022:Newswire posts stickied at the top make up the first 15 threads on page 1
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OvermodYes, but... ... the story about the trial proceedings, what the witnesses and counsel said and didn’t say, how the news workers use the fact of the trial to spin things ... THAT is the focus of the present discussion. Not rehashing what we understand to be the matters of fact, or what we think about management or employees or training policies — but rather what the Court is saying about those things. Now, much of the present discussion has involved a certain amount of speculation about specific questions or lines of questioning that we’d like to see raised, and while this can verge over into a certain amount of wishful thinking or even castigation it still involves the trial’s interpretation of the ‘facts of the case’ and not reopening the speculo-fest of the original post-accident thread... which a number of posters obstinately keep trying to do. My attempt at humor was to note that the ‘Trial’ thread was likely to drag on even longer than the other one did. It did not occur to me that the original discussion might be hellishly resurrected repeatedly to trouble our lives and yea perhaps our very souls. But as the Yale band said to Princeton at a football game in November, Halloween’s over, so perhaps there can be hope for a while.
Overmod,
Your post makes sense. Things are now in the hands of the jury and the conclusion they reach has yet to be seen. It is natural that the prosecution go for the 'low hanging fruit' and the enginer appears to be the most appropriate scapegoat therefore he and his immediate controllers appear to be the targets most likely to be convicted from the prosecuter's point of view.
Does that make Harding the entirely culpable one or are there other responsibilities that would lead to top management of the entire company? IIRC, his supervisor and the RTC both said he was dead on the law and should leave the train as is. My military training said "follow your last order first". Perhaps that is what he did.
It is now up to the jury to decide Harding's fate but given the emotional effect of those who lost their lives and their kin I don't believe he will get a fair trial unless the venue is moved to Alberta where folks have little knowledge of the accident.
Norm
Guys, my original comment was as a joke, and I only went into detail regarding the 5 vs 9 year choice of timeframe. Any actual discussion of the trial or the original accident should be in relevant threads, or in PMs as I now do for some issues. Let’s not turn the thread itself into a self-fulfilling prophecy for 10/22...
Euclid Maybe we need a new forum rule: No discussions that hellishly trouble our lives and perhaps our very souls.
Maybe we need a new forum rule:
No discussions that hellishly trouble our lives and perhaps our very souls.
Overmod Yes, but...
Yes, but...
Overmod Yes, but... ... the story about the trial proceedings, what the witnesses and counsel said and didn’t say, how the news workers use the fact of the trial to spin things ... THAT is the focus of the present discussion. Not rehashing what we understand to be the matters of fact, or what we think about management or employees or training policies — but rather what the Court is saying about those things. Now, much of the present discussion has involved a certain amount of speculation about specific questions or lines of questioning that we’d like to see raised, and while this can verge over into a certain amount of wishful thinking or even castigation it still involves the trial’s interpretation of the ‘facts of the case’ and not reopening the speculo-fest of the original post-accident thread... which a number of posters obstinately keep trying to do. My attempt at humor was to note that the ‘Trial’ thread was likely to drag on even longer than the other one did. It did not occur to me that the original discussion might be hellishly resurrected repeatedly to trouble our lives and yea perhaps our very souls. But as the Yale band said to Princeton at a football game in November, Halloween’s over, so perhaps there can be hope for a while.
... the story about the trial proceedings, what the witnesses and counsel said and didn’t say, how the news workers use the fact of the trial to spin things ... THAT is the focus of the present discussion. Not rehashing what we understand to be the matters of fact, or what we think about management or employees or training policies — but rather what the Court is saying about those things.
Now, much of the present discussion has involved a certain amount of speculation about specific questions or lines of questioning that we’d like to see raised, and while this can verge over into a certain amount of wishful thinking or even castigation it still involves the trial’s interpretation of the ‘facts of the case’ and not reopening the speculo-fest of the original post-accident thread... which a number of posters obstinately keep trying to do.
My attempt at humor was to note that the ‘Trial’ thread was likely to drag on even longer than the other one did. It did not occur to me that the original discussion might be hellishly resurrected repeatedly to trouble our lives and yea perhaps our very souls. But as the Yale band said to Princeton at a football game in November, Halloween’s over, so perhaps there can be hope for a while.
I don’t see how you make the distinction between what was discussed right after the accident versus what is discussed during the trial now. It is all one story. Where is the speculo-fest that so troubles you? The facts being discussed in the trial are the same facts we learned after the accident and the TSB reports. Speculation always precedes leaning the facts. Nobody is now speculating on what has become known. But what is not yet known is how the known facts will be processed through this trial. All we can do, therefore, is weigh the potential interpretations and outcomes. We would not even be talking about the accident if it were not for the trial revisiting it.
Overmod BaltACD Sorry - the discussion will be in its NINTH year in 2022. Note that I said ‘Lac Megantic trial discussion’ (the trial only having started a month ago) not ‘the trial of the Lac Megantic discussion’ which of course has been ‘trying since 2013’. The trial discussion will only seem like it‘s nine years old in 2022. Of course, in some respects it already does.
BaltACD Sorry - the discussion will be in its NINTH year in 2022.
Note that I said ‘Lac Megantic trial discussion’ (the trial only having started a month ago) not ‘the trial of the Lac Megantic discussion’ which of course has been ‘trying since 2013’.
The trial discussion will only seem like it‘s nine years old in 2022. Of course, in some respects it already does.
One cannot separate the incident from the trial about the incident. You can't have one without the other - unless there was no trial at all.
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BaltACDSorry - the discussion will be in its NINTH year in 2022.
Overmod rdamon News Wire: Lac-Mégantic disaster trial enters fifth year No, you meant Lac-Mégantic disaster trial discussion enters fifth year
rdamon News Wire: Lac-Mégantic disaster trial enters fifth year
No, you meant
Lac-Mégantic disaster trial discussion enters fifth year
Sorry - the discussion will be in it's NINTH year in 2022.
rdamonNews Wire: Lac-Mégantic disaster trial enters fifth year
I suspect there will be discussion of some incident that PTC was thought to protect and didn't.
BLS53 Progress only moves that rapidly with Information Technology. Transportation moves at a snail's pace (no pun intended). AMEN!
Progress only moves that rapidly with Information Technology. Transportation moves at a snail's pace (no pun intended).
AMEN!
zugmann Murphy Siding Five years from now, on October 26th, 2022 what will we be discussing on the Trains Magazine Forum? We seem to discuss the same stuff today as we did 5 years ago.
Murphy Siding Five years from now, on October 26th, 2022 what will we be discussing on the Trains Magazine Forum?
We seem to discuss the same stuff today as we did 5 years ago.
That's pretty much what I expect as well. I would expect some more discussion/nostalgia over the equipment from the beginnings of the passenger rail revival - Amfleet will be 45+ years old, original BART cars will be 50 years old (BART service started in September 1972.
jeffhergertThis year I celebrated 19 years with a 9900 foot manifest that had a dynamiter. The inbound crew said the air went everytime they set air. Using a trick of the trade, I was luckier. I set air four times and it only went twice. Jeff
Jeff
For which your Conductor thanked you (under their breath).
On 10/26/22 we could talk about how I celebrated my 24th year on the railroad. 10/26 is my hire date, the day I started new-hire class. My trainman's seniority date is 11/14, the day we graduated from class. I had to wait for the conductor I was assigned to for training to return before I could mark up, so my first actual trip was 11/16. Which was also my father's birthday.
This year I celebrated 19 years with a 9900 foot manifest that had a dynamiter. The inbound crew said the air went everytime they set air. Using a trick of the trade, I was luckier. I set air four times and it only went twice.
Five years from now Brightline Florida will be running and (hopefully) extended to Orlando. By then we will certainly know if the idea is a local success or a success worthy of repeating on a national scale. It will be an interesting half-decade.
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Intermodal profitability and growth - or the lack thereof.
And yes - autonomous vehicle technology. It should be far easier to implement on railraods, and in controlled situations such as an intermodal yard, than out on the public streets and highways.
Murphy Siding Semper Vaporo Murphy Siding Well that took a weird turn. For starters, I'd say in 5 years we'll be talking about how the pendulum has swung back in the energy world, making coal and oil shipments hot items again, I'm not sure I understand your post. Lack of coal and oil? Lack of interest in coal and oil? Lack of interest in forum discussions about cole and oil? Ot lack of energy or interest in internet forums in general?
Semper Vaporo Murphy Siding Well that took a weird turn. For starters, I'd say in 5 years we'll be talking about how the pendulum has swung back in the energy world, making coal and oil shipments hot items again,
Murphy Siding Well that took a weird turn. For starters, I'd say in 5 years we'll be talking about how the pendulum has swung back in the energy world, making coal and oil shipments hot items again,
Well that took a weird turn. For starters, I'd say in 5 years we'll be talking about how the pendulum has swung back in the energy world, making coal and oil shipments hot items again,
I'm not sure I understand your post. Lack of coal and oil? Lack of interest in coal and oil? Lack of interest in forum discussions about cole and oil? Ot lack of energy or interest in internet forums in general?
You left out lack of energy to discust Cole and oil.
But to answer all 5 questions... Yes.
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
Semper Vaporo Murphy Siding Well that took a weird turn. For starters, I'd say in 5 years we'll be talking about how the pendulum has swung back in the energy world, making coal and oil shipments hot items again, Nope... the pendulum will stop swinging due to lack of energy (or interest).
Nope... the pendulum will stop swinging due to lack of energy (or interest).
Mookie Wow! we have a feisty cat! CShaveRR Mookie will probably consent to being declawed When pigs fly!
Wow! we have a feisty cat!
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zugmannWe seem to discuss the same stuff today as we did 5 years ago.
Indeed.
I suspect that much will depend on where energy goes - is coal still a player? How about oil?
And technology - has PTC been worth it? One man crews, and even self-driving or remote (as in miles away) control trains?
I suspect our two resident taboo topics will still be taboo, albeit unchanged in the real world.
And has CSX recovered from EHH yet?
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