Murphy Siding Thanks. I see it now. That does make for a mystery of how horse and train met.
Thanks. I see it now. That does make for a mystery of how horse and train met.
Not really. Presuming the horse was, indeed, spooked, it could have been on US30, or around the town hall on the other side of the tracks. Doesn't take long to cover 100 yards or so.
We don't know where they were, and if the occupants of the carriage were on board when it started (and bailed out) or were on the ground. The Amish may have been doing business with someone in the immediate area.
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Murphy SidingIs it common in the east to refer to highways by the route, as in "Route 30"? In our part of the country we would call it highway 30.
It is around me - except many of our county roads are also numbered, so one might say "State Route 68" or "County Route 68." Calling it "Highway 68" would likely get you some funny looks.
On the county roads, however, the map programs won't always parse "county route" correctly. Using "County Road 68" oftimes will.
Interstates are usually either "Interstate 68" or just "I68," or just "the Interstate." The NY State Thruway is..... "The Thruway..."
Murphy Siding tree68 ACY A look at the satellite image (N 40 0' 25" W 76 6' 56") indicates there are no crossings in the area - it's all grade-separated former Pennsy not far from the Strasburg interchange. Which would lead me to believe the horse simply spooked and ran onto the ROW. Route 30 passes over the ROW, and Railroad Ave simply runs parallel to the ROW for a short distance. Where are you even seeing Railroad Avenue?Is it common in the east to refer to highways by the route, as in "Route 30"? In our part of the country we would call it highway 30.
tree68 ACY A look at the satellite image (N 40 0' 25" W 76 6' 56") indicates there are no crossings in the area - it's all grade-separated former Pennsy not far from the Strasburg interchange. Which would lead me to believe the horse simply spooked and ran onto the ROW. Route 30 passes over the ROW, and Railroad Ave simply runs parallel to the ROW for a short distance.
ACY
A look at the satellite image (N 40 0' 25" W 76 6' 56") indicates there are no crossings in the area - it's all grade-separated former Pennsy not far from the Strasburg interchange. Which would lead me to believe the horse simply spooked and ran onto the ROW.
Route 30 passes over the ROW, and Railroad Ave simply runs parallel to the ROW for a short distance.
Where are you even seeing Railroad Avenue?Is it common in the east to refer to highways by the route, as in "Route 30"? In our part of the country we would call it highway 30.
Slightly to the West of the coordinates on the South side of route 30.
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tree68 ACY * It's not clear to me that this occurred at a legitimate RR crossing, or near one, so there's no assurance that signs saying how to contact the railroad were close enough to be useful in time. The article says "in the area of Route 30 and Railroad Avenue", and that doesn't tell us anything very enlightening. A look at the satellite image (N 40 0' 25" W 76 6' 56") indicates there are no crossings in the area - it's all grade-separated former Pennsy not far from the Strasburg interchange. Which would lead me to believe the horse simply spooked and ran onto the ROW. Route 30 passes over the ROW, and Railroad Ave simply runs parallel to the ROW for a short distance.
ACY * It's not clear to me that this occurred at a legitimate RR crossing, or near one, so there's no assurance that signs saying how to contact the railroad were close enough to be useful in time. The article says "in the area of Route 30 and Railroad Avenue", and that doesn't tell us anything very enlightening.
challenger3980 Deggesty I trust that is not one dead horse that will be beaten and flayed. I wonder if the horse turned after the buggy was on the track and a wheel was somehow caught and the buggy overturned. Don't bet on it, I am SURE that once Bucky finds this thread, the Beatings and Flayings of Deceased Equinines will begin Doug
Deggesty I trust that is not one dead horse that will be beaten and flayed. I wonder if the horse turned after the buggy was on the track and a wheel was somehow caught and the buggy overturned.
I trust that is not one dead horse that will be beaten and flayed.
I wonder if the horse turned after the buggy was on the track and a wheel was somehow caught and the buggy overturned.
Don't bet on it, I am SURE that once Bucky finds this thread, the Beatings and Flayings of Deceased Equinines will begin
Doug
Oh, you guys seem to be doing a pretty good job of it. It is a bit ironic.
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ACY* It's not clear to me that this occurred at a legitimate RR crossing, or near one, so there's no assurance that signs saying how to contact the railroad were close enough to be useful in time. The article says "in the area of Route 30 and Railroad Avenue", and that doesn't tell us anything very enlightening.
ACY * It may be assuming too much to think an Amishman had a cell phone handy.
* It may be assuming too much to think an Amishman had a cell phone handy.
We've had some posters in the recent past who divined exactly what they think happened and how the railroads should change everything, based on less info than is available about this accident right now.
My head hurts. There is so little definitive information here, that all of this speculation seems like a waste of time.
* It's not clear to me that this occurred at a legitimate RR crossing, or near one, so there's no assurance that signs saying how to contact the railroad were close enough to be useful in time. The article says "in the area of Route 30 and Railroad Avenue", and that doesn't tell us anything very enlightening.
* Those narrow buggy wheels could easily get hung up on the tracks, making it impossible for a horse to free it without human help. If this did occur at a legitimate grade crossing or at a track switch, the wheels could have been hung up in the flangeways or between the points.
* The buggy was a runaway. Are we sure there were any human beings available to read such a sign and make the call in a timely fashion?
* My first thought is that somebody should have cut the traces right away, but maybe that wasn't possible.
Too many if's; too few hard facts. Just a very sad occurrence.
Tom
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http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/amtrak-train-stopped-after-hitting-runaway-horse-and-buggy-in/article_21fdc07e-0603-11e7-9960-b31f8584d115.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Township,_Lancaster_County,_Pennsylvania
RME samfp1943 Maybe, one of Mudchicken's rubber-tired bubbas did not do their job (signage,etc.?) Sam, I have now been through MUTCD three times looking for the equine-language signage. I just can't find anything there. Can you point me to the right section, or an Internet page that shows critical crossing information optimized for the horses to read?
samfp1943 Maybe, one of Mudchicken's rubber-tired bubbas did not do their job (signage,etc.?)
Sam, I have now been through MUTCD three times looking for the equine-language signage. I just can't find anything there. Can you point me to the right section, or an Internet page that shows critical crossing information optimized for the horses to read?
THAT might be the crux of the problem...Amish school is only up to the eighth grade...As for their equines...They do not have enough time for them to learn to read...They can only teach them to cypher.
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It makes good horse sense that the signage would include pictures of a horse stomping his foot the prescribed number of times to get the message accross.
samfp1943Maybe, one of Mudchicken's rubber-tired bubbas did not do their job (signage,etc.?)
I think it was a runaway buggy. Perhaps the operator didn't properly set the hand brakes? In this day and age I'm surprised we haven't yet seen video from somebody's cell phone showing the buggy going around the gates.
Murphy Siding RME Likely the horse took off across the ROW and the buggy capsized and jammed in some way that the horse couldn't pull it free. No indication how long between the buggy getting 'stuck' and the arrival of the train; a good news story would have told us that, but it would have required a bit of actual research. Awe come on. Give the writer credit for taking the time to find out what kind of animal was involved. It was a horse, of course.
RME Likely the horse took off across the ROW and the buggy capsized and jammed in some way that the horse couldn't pull it free. No indication how long between the buggy getting 'stuck' and the arrival of the train; a good news story would have told us that, but it would have required a bit of actual research.
Likely the horse took off across the ROW and the buggy capsized and jammed in some way that the horse couldn't pull it free. No indication how long between the buggy getting 'stuck' and the arrival of the train; a good news story would have told us that, but it would have required a bit of actual research.
Awe come on. Give the writer credit for taking the time to find out what kind of animal was involved. It was a horse, of course.
Why did not the driver or passenger, immediately, whip out their cell phone and call 911, or the RRphone number posted on the crossing? As was previously suggested in another Thread here, recently? So many questions. Maybe the whole incident needs an investigation?
Maybe, one of Mudchicken's rubber-tired bubbas did not do their job (signage,etc.?)
Did the driver/passenger get a mandatory intoxication exam?
It was a runaway horse and buggy according to the article. The horse did not survive. Guess the buggy should have had ECP to prevent the runaway!
http://fox43.com/2017/03/11/train-collides-with-horse-and-buggy-friday-night/ Shouldn't they have a rider on a horse way out in front of those horses and buggies that could alert them when a train is approaching? I mean, just in case the headlights, bell, crossing lights, roar of the diesel engines, and train whistle don't do the job? And don't give me the ol' "horse was wearing blinders" excuse.
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