Nothing improved the quality of livestock in the United States and elsewhere quite like the steam locomotive.
jeffhergert Well, of course there were hard feelings. It was always the farmer's prized livestock that got killed. Was going to win the blue ribbon at the state fair don't you know. Until the darn train hit it. Jeff
Well, of course there were hard feelings. It was always the farmer's prized livestock that got killed. Was going to win the blue ribbon at the state fair don't you know. Until the darn train hit it.
Jeff
About forty-five years ago, I noticed a yearling steer just outside its fence as I was driving up a highway. The poor thing had no idea what was coming up the road as it started across the road, and I could not stop in time. A few days later, I saw the man who had owned the yearling and told him that I was responsible for the death. He shrugged it off, acknowledging that his property had been where it should not have been. My insurance company paid for the repair to the car's fender.
Johnny
A friend who works a shortline told of the time a dog came out to chase them. Got caught by the snowplow, rolled over several times. Couldn't have hurt it too bad - the same thing happened on the return trip.
Al Krug's website used to have a picture of the aftermath of a loco/horse collision that occurred at speed. Pretty much nothing left but oats...
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
Paul_D_North_Jr Back in the day, collisions between locomotives and livestock were pretty common and led to all kinds of claims and bad feelings between railroads and local farmers, and buggy and wagon owners/ drivers (see A Treasury of Railroad Folklore, Harlow & Bodkin). Looks like some of that history keeps being repeated . . . - PDN.
Back in the day, collisions between locomotives and livestock were pretty common and led to all kinds of claims and bad feelings between railroads and local farmers, and buggy and wagon owners/ drivers (see A Treasury of Railroad Folklore, Harlow & Bodkin).
Looks like some of that history keeps being repeated . . .
- PDN.
'Snow plows' on diesel locomotives were a bettter alternative than calling them 'livestock hamburgerers?
Leaving town today, we heard the dispatcher warn a train ahead of us about two horses running free near the tracks. A preceding train had spotted them.
Never mind ... posted before actually clicking the link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvMS_ykiLiQ&t=3m33s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4ztWNJYFrU&t=3m55s
tree68 tree68 Considering how waste disposal was done "back in the day," I'm not so sure the alkali "desert essence" would be the primary ingredient... I was referring to waste disposal on trains. Couldn't have been fun being MOW, and that mist behind the train, well.....
tree68 Considering how waste disposal was done "back in the day," I'm not so sure the alkali "desert essence" would be the primary ingredient...
I was referring to waste disposal on trains. Couldn't have been fun being MOW, and that mist behind the train, well.....
an 'old order' for railroad passengers:
Being able to count the ties as one stood 'there' in the little room at the end of the car...
Ah, the wonders of the internet. Where a thread about most anything can eventually meander into a discussion about....roadside poop.
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
tree68Considering how waste disposal was done "back in the day," I'm not so sure the alkali "desert essence" would be the primary ingredient...
IIRC those "road apples" were just left for mother nature to take care of. Yes, we had some horses in our neighboorhood back then
Norm
This was before the days of the high pitched whine followed by the dreaded blue amcrap.
RMEYou can't really enjoy that open-platform observation if you're enveloped in a plume of alkali 'desert essence', can you?
Considering how waste disposal was done "back in the day," I'm not so sure the alkali "desert essence" would be the primary ingredient...
tree68 Through this winter, I've seen videos of a local Amish (teen?) snow skiing behind a buggy, and a buggy doing donuts in a parking lot.... There is a wide continuum of behaviors (for lack of a better word) among the Amish (and the Mennonites). They range from the really basic of the "old order" to those who live in a pretty modern (comparatively speaking) world - as in having cars, power in barns, etc. There may be differences in practice between various communities ("districts" - 20-40 families) in a general area - they are pretty much self governing in that respect. Depends a lot on how the elders interpret things. Aside from the "road apples," they're good neighbors. I have a neighbor who welds for them - I joke that he fixes flats for them...
Through this winter, I've seen videos of a local Amish (teen?) snow skiing behind a buggy, and a buggy doing donuts in a parking lot....
There is a wide continuum of behaviors (for lack of a better word) among the Amish (and the Mennonites). They range from the really basic of the "old order" to those who live in a pretty modern (comparatively speaking) world - as in having cars, power in barns, etc. There may be differences in practice between various communities ("districts" - 20-40 families) in a general area - they are pretty much self governing in that respect. Depends a lot on how the elders interpret things.
Aside from the "road apples," they're good neighbors. I have a neighbor who welds for them - I joke that he fixes flats for them...
What Larry said is all I know of the Amish in Michigan. The few I've met are seriously good people; not living in step with current times but that is their choice in life. One bursted with pride when I complemented the beautiful and well cared for horses we had just seen. He was a young man and I could see the desire in his eyes to become part of today's society if the elders would let him.
We've also been to Shipshewana, IN, and the Mennonites there are much more liberal and "with the times" than the old order folks.
BaltACDNever heard of freshly creosoted ties as being called 'oil sprinkled tracks'.
Probably because that's not what it means.
"Oil-sprinkled tracks" refers to spraying to keep the roadbed dust down. You can't really enjoy that open-platform observation if you're enveloped in a plume of alkali 'desert essence', can you?
samfp1943As for the 'hot rodding', They have been known to race buggys, and I was told that sometimes, automobiles will get 'tried' out.
BaltACD My totally incompetent understanding of the differences between Amish and Mennonite. Amish don't own automobiles, horse & buggy exclusively. Mennonite's do own cars, generally black (may be 'hot rodded' with 427 cu.in. engine with dual 4 barrell carbs) or it may not be.
My totally incompetent understanding of the differences between Amish and Mennonite. Amish don't own automobiles, horse & buggy exclusively. Mennonite's do own cars, generally black (may be 'hot rodded' with 427 cu.in. engine with dual 4 barrell carbs) or it may not be.
I've delivered around the Napanee,In.{ That area was a center for RV manufacture, and many Amish were employed in that business} you could find not only buggies in the parking lots, but also some vehicles. Yep! the Amish do own vehicles; my understanding was that the various Amish communities owned them, for use by the community(?). A major requirement was all chrome must be 'blacked' out. As for the 'hot rodding', They have been known to race buggys, and I was told that sometimes, automobiles will get 'tried' out.
mudchickenfreshly treated ties inserted in-track...(ie - Uncle John SF & Chico took care of the plant, even in hard times).....or there were more FM's & Alco's out there than I thought.
Never heard of freshly creosoted ties as being called 'oil sprinkled tracks'. Advertisement seems to predate dieselization though Alco oil fired steam boilers could have been on the property.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
wanswheelThen there's the 'North Dakota Dutch.'
Oil sprinkled tracks????
Then there's the 'North Dakota Dutch.'
ACY The various religious groups that comprise the "Pennsylvania Deutsch" generally allow their various congregations a certain amount of autonomy. Within the Amish, Mennonite, Brethren, and related groups, you will find a pretty wide range of beliefs and practices. As I understand it, they grew out of groups of Germanic immigrants who came to this country because of their pacifism and objections to conscription. They share a belief that the greatest virtue is in hard manual labor, and mechanization is evil. It's not possible to live in the modern world without some accommodation, and the rationales used by the various groups to accommodate are interesting at least, and often amusing and perplexing to outsiders. For those who accept automobiles, a black car is usually the best. Some will accept plain white. Bright colors are usually out of the question for almost everything. In-home electricity may be banned while it is sometimes acceptable in the barn for "work" purposes. Many consider zippers to be unnecessary mechanical devices and ban them, but they accept the use of buttons. Some insist that a belt is wrong, but suspenders are OK. There have even been those who say that suspenders with 2 straps are excessive. One strap will do nicely, and they have been called the "one-suspender Amish". So it's pretty hard to speculate whether the nearest Amishman had a phone. Tom
The various religious groups that comprise the "Pennsylvania Deutsch" generally allow their various congregations a certain amount of autonomy. Within the Amish, Mennonite, Brethren, and related groups, you will find a pretty wide range of beliefs and practices. As I understand it, they grew out of groups of Germanic immigrants who came to this country because of their pacifism and objections to conscription. They share a belief that the greatest virtue is in hard manual labor, and mechanization is evil.
It's not possible to live in the modern world without some accommodation, and the rationales used by the various groups to accommodate are interesting at least, and often amusing and perplexing to outsiders. For those who accept automobiles, a black car is usually the best. Some will accept plain white. Bright colors are usually out of the question for almost everything. In-home electricity may be banned while it is sometimes acceptable in the barn for "work" purposes. Many consider zippers to be unnecessary mechanical devices and ban them, but they accept the use of buttons. Some insist that a belt is wrong, but suspenders are OK. There have even been those who say that suspenders with 2 straps are excessive. One strap will do nicely, and they have been called the "one-suspender Amish".
So it's pretty hard to speculate whether the nearest Amishman had a phone.
Tom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Ammann
How the Amish came to be. Usual wikipedia warnings apply.
mudchickenMechanization is OK, it's the computers that are evil!
ACY wrote the following[in part]
"...The various religious groups that comprise the "Pennsylvania Deutsch" generally allow their various congregations a certain amount of autonomy. Within the Amish, Mennonite, Brethren, and related groups, you will find a pretty wide range of beliefs and practices. As I understand it, they grew out of groups of Germanic immigrants who came to this country because of their pacifism and objections to conscription. They share a belief that the greatest virtue is in hard manual labor, and mechanization is evil.
It's not possible to live in the modern world without some accommodation, and the rationales used by the various groups to accommodate are interesting at least, and often amusing and perplexing to outsiders..."
An Amishman once told me that the best way to tell the level of an individual's 'being Amish'(?) in the individual Amishman, was to look at the men's hat. The larger the brim would be a clue to individual's level of 'adherance'(or autonomy or 'modernization'(?) to the tenants of the Anabaptist faith. { 'Old order'Amish wear the larger, rounded crown, and flat brim ( Felt or Straw, depending upon season; some Menonite men tend to effect the smaller, 'snap brim' type}. Thus ends your catachism lesson for this date!
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