Came across this article on NIMBYism and it's affect on transportation companies and the ecomony. Posted Sept 27 by the Old Weird Harold. http://www.omaha.com/money/as-transportation-companies-such-as-u-p-bnsf-and-werner/article_6959cfbd-ea33-5f01-9650-10aab80108c3.html
Americans are very selfish. "The heck with you; I've got mine."
Propose anything anywhere and watch the people rise up against it.
They don't want housing developments, bigger roads, cell phone towers, shopping centers, factories, recreational facilities, Apartment buildings, ANYTHING that people drive to, etc.
Dave
Lackawanna Route of the Phoebe Snow
Phoebe Vet Americans are very selfish. "The heck with you; I've got mine." Propose anything anywhere and watch the people rise up against it. They don't want housing developments, bigger roads, cell phone towers, shopping centers, factories, recreational facilities, Apartment buildings, ANYTHING that people drive to, etc.
Everything we eat, wear, or use is dependent on oil at some level.
zardoz Phoebe Vet Americans are very selfish. "The heck with you; I've got mine." Propose anything anywhere and watch the people rise up against it. They don't want housing developments, bigger roads, cell phone towers, shopping centers, factories, recreational facilities, Apartment buildings, ANYTHING that people drive to, etc. And yet those hypocrites have no problem USING all of the conveniences and products that are provided by those facilities.
And yet those hypocrites have no problem USING all of the conveniences and products that are provided by those facilities.
Many things are at first opposed by a small but vocal special interest. Using media of all types and only facts that support their position while omitting others that don't, they gain support from the general population. Often that general population doesn't realize that if they got everything they supposedly want, their lifestyle would be radically altered. And not for the better.
Jeff
Their imaginations being too small to get their arms around the big picture. A case in point: the Dakota Access Pipeline, stalled by the Standing Rock Sioux on the most bogus of grounds.
In a couple of months, these same people will be crying for #2 diesel (heating) oil and propane, another oil product, to be provided by somebody else.
The main problem is that the country filled up, by our standards, a long time ago; they "closed the frontier." Now you can't turn around without "impacting" somebody else.
This is how decay sets in, as it has with us.
jeffhergertMany things are at first opposed by a small but vocal special interest. Using media of all types and only facts that support their position while omitting others that don't, they gain support from the general population. Often that general population doesn't realize that if they got everything they supposedly want, their lifestyle would be radically altered. And not for the better. Jeff
Also dealing with a populance that has, at best, a 4th grade education when it comes to science or engineering, and are so removed from any understanding of industry that it is depressing. Combine that with their partisian politics and it only gets worse.
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There's NIMBY's, but don't forget the BANANA's.
As in "Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything."
Plenty of those around too, and potentially a lot more dangerous.
Firelock76 There's NIMBY's, but don't forget the BANANA's. As in "Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything." Plenty of those around too, and potentially a lot more dangerous.
And then there are the CAVE people-- Citizens Against Virtually Everything
dakotafred zardoz Phoebe Vet Americans are very selfish. "The heck with you; I've got mine." Propose anything anywhere and watch the people rise up against it. They don't want housing developments, bigger roads, cell phone towers, shopping centers, factories, recreational facilities, Apartment buildings, ANYTHING that people drive to, etc. And yet those hypocrites have no problem USING all of the conveniences and products that are provided by those facilities. Their imaginations being too small to get their arms around the big picture. A case in point: the Dakota Access Pipeline, stalled by the Standing Rock Sioux on the most bogus of grounds. In a couple of months, these same people will be crying for #2 diesel (heating) oil and propane, another oil product, to be provided by somebody else. The main problem is that the country filled up, by our standards, a long time ago; they "closed the frontier." Now you can't turn around without "impacting" somebody else. This is how decay sets in, as it has with us.
And yet people like you oppose the right of eminent domain for public projects such as roads or parks.
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My favorites are the ones who are violently opposed to a new cell tower going in - while yammering endlessly on their cell phones about inconsequential crap.
SALfanMy favorites are the ones who are violently opposed to a new cell tower going in - while yammering endlessly on their cell phones about inconsequential crap.
and/or complaining about poor cell reception in their area.....
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schlimm dakotafred zardoz Phoebe Vet Americans are very selfish. "The heck with you; I've got mine." Propose anything anywhere and watch the people rise up against it. They don't want housing developments, bigger roads, cell phone towers, shopping centers, factories, recreational facilities, Apartment buildings, ANYTHING that people drive to, etc. And yet those hypocrites have no problem USING all of the conveniences and products that are provided by those facilities. Their imaginations being too small to get their arms around the big picture. A case in point: the Dakota Access Pipeline, stalled by the Standing Rock Sioux on the most bogus of grounds. In a couple of months, these same people will be crying for #2 diesel (heating) oil and propane, another oil product, to be provided by somebody else. The main problem is that the country filled up, by our standards, a long time ago; they "closed the frontier." Now you can't turn around without "impacting" somebody else. This is how decay sets in, as it has with us. And yet people like you oppose the right of eminent domain for public projects such as roads or parks.
Huh? Where? When?
The only "eminent domain" I oppose -- altho I can't recall ever doing it here -- is the newfangled taking of private property, blessed by the U.S. Supreme Court and (I'll say it) Donald Trump, for "economic development" by private interests (that just happens to plump up the tax collections of the local subdivisions of government).
dakotafredThis is how decay sets in, as it has with us. And yet people like you oppose the right of eminent domain for public projects such as roads or parks. Huh? Where? When? The only "eminent domain" I oppose -- altho I can't recall ever doing it here -- is the newfangled taking of private property, blessed by the U.S. Supreme Court and (I'll say it) Donald Trump, for "economic development" by private interests (that just happens to plump up the tax collections of the local subdivisions of government).
So how is this different from the latter? AFAIK, the RoW for the Dakota Access Pipeline runs very close to Native American territory (Standing Rock Sioux Tribe's reservation).
"The tribe filed court papers saying it found several sites of "significant cultural and historic value" along the path of the proposed pipeline. "Tribal preservation officer Tim Mentz said in court documents that the tribe was only recently allowed to survey private land north of the Standing Rock Sioux reservation. Mentz said researchers found burials rock piles called cairns and other sites of historic significance to Native Americans."
Yeah, and your next-door neighbor is "very close" to you. What rights does that give him on your property -- and vice versa?
All of us leave stones and other litter in our wake. What rights do they confer 150 years later? And are they "sacred"? Why? Because it's we who dropped them instead of somebody else?
State Historical Society archaeologists -- not exactly gung-ho developers -- have examined the route and found none of the burials that the Indians have claimed. Animal teeth and bones -- no humans.
Alleged danger to drinking water is a bad joke. The only Standing Rock Indians drinking out of the Missouri live in the small agency (government) town of Ft. Yates. Everybody else on the huge reservation -- it sprawls over two states -- drinks out of a well.
You need to be on the ground for this one. It's a power play by a lot of people with too much time on their hands (and an inclination to stick it to Whitey).
If I remember it right, the Souix did nothing for 3 years despite repeated requests for them to give an opinion. It wasn't until the project was started and got to this point that they suddenly developed an interest. That's why the judge basically said it was too late for them to raise some of the objections they now are. Also, I read in a comment from someone on an another website who claims to be familar with the area [but I can't locate it now] that the pipeline building in that area is in an existing electric utility eassement that already has another pipeline on it. Maybe someone from that area could verify if that information is correct?
Very true - I forgot that part.
BaltACD SALfan My favorites are the ones who are violently opposed to a new cell tower going in - while yammering endlessly on their cell phones about inconsequential crap. and/or complaining about poor cell reception in their area.....
SALfan My favorites are the ones who are violently opposed to a new cell tower going in - while yammering endlessly on their cell phones about inconsequential crap.
Very true. I forgot that part.
When a cell phone tower (or anything like it) is constructed, as soon as it is finished the complaints start coming. The tower is responsible for every ache, pain and illness they have. If it wasn't there, they wouldn't be sick.
Many times the tower deliberately isn't commissioned and put into service for several months, so all these illnesses are not caused by the operation of the tower, but the knowledge it is there. Proving that some people will blame anything for everything with no proof or understanding of the issue.
My boss went thru the same thing 4 years ago. He wanted to convert an old warehouse that he already owned trucks he owned where already going down the streets also to his new 20 million dollar terminal. Well a bunch of idiots in the city got their knickers in a bunch and protested his plans. Now he was doing this with zero TIF or property tax breaks for the buildings meaning more money for the local schools also. The NIMBY's started screaming the trucks will ruin our neighborhood to their friends and well he said screw it I will just use part of the land I own now at my current terminal in the country.
Bottom line was a city and school district that needed the tax revenue his new terminal would have brought in lost out of an estimated 800 grand a year in property taxes. Our employees lost a shorter commute as we are 9 miles outside the city limits.
betamaxMany times the tower deliberately isn't commissioned and put into service for several months,...
I've been watching a cell tower go up along my commute to the railroad. Right now the tower is complete and the antennae are installed - but there is no coax running up to tower to feed the antennae. I noticed that - John Q. Public probably wouldn't.
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dakotafredYou need to be on the ground for this one. It's a power play by a lot of people with too much time on their hands (and an inclination to stick it to Whitey).
More like corporations sticking it to the Native Americans. And how would you like a pipeline running through your yard or next door?
Not quite next door but I did grow up with a products pipeline running parallel to an arterial street one block north of our house. Not an issue to anybody.
schlimmAnd how would you like a pipeline running through your yard or next door?
The area where I lived in MI was crisscrossed with pipelines. I don't ever recall a problem.
I live in the Central IL Natural gas Storage area. During the summer the local gas company is pumping it into the underground storage areas. During the winter they pump it out. They store an estimated 25 Trillion cubic feet of pressurized natural gas in a 15 square mile area in this area. Those that have lived here long enough say if it all went boom we would be the first town on the moon.
schlimm And how would you like a pipeline running through your yard or next door?
And how would you like a pipeline running through your yard or next door?
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
Do you live in that office (do you own it?)? I did say your yard or next door, which strongly implies your home.
BTW, there is a natural gas pipline (not local) about a block from my home. But it is hardly in the same league as oil pipelines, which seem to leak fairly often.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_States_(1975%E2%80%9399)
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