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Posted by NorthWest on Saturday, May 2, 2015 8:05 PM

Thanks for posting! Interesting.

4/17/2008 SEDRO WOOLEY - 20 year-old male pedestrian struck by BNSF freight train in Sedro Wooley. Incident occurred on the BNSF Northwest Division (Bellingham Subdivision) at milepost 87.1.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, May 2, 2015 7:37 PM

An interesting and comprehensive report of various incidents of persons and vehicles in the state of Washington. 

http://www.utc.wa.gov/publicSafety/railSafety/Pages/OLCrashStatistics.aspx

 

 

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Posted by ACY Tom on Friday, April 24, 2015 4:29 PM

Yes, ear plugs are for employees in certain jobs, subject to the Book of Rules.  This sign is intended for non-employees.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Friday, April 24, 2015 4:06 PM

There ARE such signs at various points where the public is allowed to cross RR property (grade crossings), indicating to not proceed along the tracks.

But the prohibition on ear plugs (and possibly headphones) cannot be specified... there are some jobs on the RR where ear plugs are REQUIRED.

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Posted by ACY Tom on Friday, April 24, 2015 2:17 PM

I'm not totally naive, so I know this won't stop most trespassers.  But it might be helpful to the railroad in the inevitable ensuing legal fight over the trespasser's dead body.

How about signage at every point of legal entry onto the railroad property, including grade crossings, that say:

"Trespassing on railroad property is prohibited.  The use of ear plugs, headphones, ear buds, or similar devices on railroad property is prohibited.  Always be prepared for a train to operate on any track, in any direction."

Persons on legitimate railroad business are not trespassers, so the sign does not restrict their entry.  The sign won't be seen by someone entering RR property at some other point of entry. 

So as I said, this will certainly not end the problem, but it might weaken the legal case of the trespasser or his survivors.  Any thoughts?

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, April 10, 2015 11:43 AM

2 separate incidents in Huntington WV on separate CSX trains. 

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/news/briefs/x1897056235/Man-dies-after-being-hit-by-train

 

 

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:19 PM

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The 'problem' is that even busy railroad lines, to someone that is used to highway traffic, appear to have little to no traffic.

I've made that point before.  Take a line with even 12 trains a day, and you're looking at a train every two hours, on average.  If any "fleeting" occurs, it could be several hours before someone sees a train.  And if a significant amount of the trains run at night, it could appear during waking hours that there is virtually no traffic on a line.  Which means a person making that assumption is going to be greatly surprised when a train does show up during the day...

A line with just a half dozen trains a day may seem to the uninitiated to be positively deserted.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, March 28, 2015 6:42 PM

The 'problem' is that even busy railroad lines, to someone that is used to highway traffic, appear to have little to no traffic.  Highways have a steady stream of traffic with vehicles 20 to 30 feet apart.  A heavy volume railroad will will normally have trains no closer than every 5 to 10 minutes in each direction - to someone who's idea of busy is based on highway observations, there is little to no traffic on the train tracks by comparison.

This is not an excuse, just a observation.

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Saturday, March 28, 2015 5:08 PM

Full-page ad in every newspqper and thirty second (accompanied by 'weather alert' beeps) spot on all TV stations for a week...

Railroad right of way is private property!

Any person who enters railroad property, with or without a vehicle, will be responsible for any damage that occurs due to their presence.  This includes their own injury or death.

The railroad will pursue compensation for damage to railroad property and injuries to rail personnel.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!  Stay off, except to cross at marked public crossings.  On the latter, once started across, keep moving.

No guarantee that the terminally stupid (and their lawyers) would get the message, unfortunately.

Some years ago Japan was experiencing a growing auto vs. train problem.  Then the Diet ((Parliament) passed a law making it possible for every single person, business or governmental entity adversely effected to sue for damages caused by delaying a scheduled train.

The car pilots got the message.  Grade crossing accidents plummeted, and stayed down.

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 6:18 AM

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Posted by fordv10 on Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:14 PM

As Forest Gump once said, "Stupid is as stupid done"

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, March 23, 2015 7:30 PM

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Posted by ruderunner on Monday, March 23, 2015 6:28 PM
Agreed.

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Posted by D.Carleton on Monday, March 23, 2015 3:48 PM

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Trespassing is a word railroad spokesmen say when somebody dies, and it seems so pointless. If the objective is to prevent fatal incidents, don’t even mention trespassing, because it too much resembles a victimless crime.  Instead, emphasize the plight of the engineer.

The problem is existing law that recognizes industrial properties, including railroads, as "an attractive nuisance." Someone can wander on to property they know they have no attachment to and if they are injured may successfully sue the property owners for not effectively discouraging the trespass. This very well may be the argument used against the railroad in the Midnight Rider case. Effectively this has legalized a lack of situational awareness for the American public; we the people have the legal right to be careless and someone else will pick up the damages.
 
What is needed is new law; basically a return to the individual being held responsible and accountable for one's actions or inactions. How's that for novelty?

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Posted by trackrat888 on Monday, March 23, 2015 3:24 PM

and this should go into journalists and trains post

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Posted by wanswheel on Monday, March 23, 2015 2:36 PM
Trespassing is a word railroad spokesmen say when somebody dies, and it seems so pointless. If the objective is to prevent fatal incidents, don’t even mention trespassing, because it too much resembles a victimless crime.  Instead, emphasize the plight of the engineer.
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Posted by Ulrich on Monday, March 23, 2015 12:53 PM

The insurance regulations will need to be overhauled .. maybe wide spread no fault insurance is the answer i..e. if my driverless car runs into yours then my insurance pays for my damages and your insurance pays for yours.  

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Posted by samfp1943 on Monday, March 23, 2015 12:18 PM

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Back when belief in the deity was ubiquitous if someone were daft enough to get hit by a train public reaction ranged from the sanguine (It was his “time.”) to the practical (Fool should have known better than to step in front of a train.). Today the public, especially trial lawyers, trip over themselves in fits of righteous indignation demanding protection from acts of Natural Selection. Oh the irony.

 

To D. Carleton's point;[snip] "...Today the public, especially trial lawyers, trip over themselves in fits of righteous indignation demanding protection from acts of Natural Selection. Oh the irony..."

It might be that our salvaion and relief will come from either allowing ONLY Lawyers to tresspass on railroad property; or 'beat trains to the crossings'.  Society could enjoy the 'gift' of either smarter lawyers, or a reduced presence of those same lawyers in the population, either way, an effective use of Natural Selection..... OH! What a Relief!  Smile, Wink & Grin 

 

 

 

 


 

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Posted by D.Carleton on Monday, March 23, 2015 10:02 AM

Back when belief in the deity was ubiquitous if someone were daft enough to get hit by a train public reaction ranged from the sanguine (It was his “time.”) to the practical (Fool should have known better than to step in front of a train.). Today the public, especially trial lawyers, trip over themselves in fits of righteous indignation demanding protection from acts of Natural Selection. Oh the irony.

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Posted by zugmann on Monday, March 23, 2015 9:36 AM

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And if somebody gets in the way, the train will just keep going like nothing happened.

 

That is a major hurdle that will prevent driverless trains (or cars) for now.  where does the liability fall?  And since many of the congress critters are lawyers by trade, it is a question that must be answered before wide-spread adoption of the technology.

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Monday, March 23, 2015 9:33 AM

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The unfortunate part of that is the choice made will involve another person ( in these cases the humans operating the train). Their only choice is to view the inevitability of the situation.

 

Simple enough, run the trains without crews. No more hours of service. And if somebody gets in the way, the train will just keep going like nothing happened.

Once they know that the trains will not stop and that nobody is up there looking out for them, maybe they will go away. Well, one way or the other, they will go away.

 

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Posted by samfp1943 on Monday, March 23, 2015 9:19 AM

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Maybe the pedestrian problem is like the graffitti problem... basically unsolvable... something we should learn to live with unless we're prepared to fence in or police every mile of railroad.  We should accept that the world cannot be made totally safe and that a certain number of deaths and injuries are unavoidable.

 

 

 

Utopians will never accept that. Bang Head

 

I would tend to agree with what both Ulirch and Norm stated. 

Our society seems to want to be on a course that removes all risk from life and Society.  

Progress is not without some risk.    Possibly, we are on an impossible path. Tresspass like the motorists who race to beat trains to the crossings, requires some level though process, and evaluation of the risk involved. 

    It is a CHOICE of the individual.  The individual who makes that choice, ultimately accepts the risk to themselves; win/loose. The unfortunate part of that is the choice made  will involve another person ( in these cases the humans operating the train). Their only choice is to view the inevitability of the situation. My 2 Cents

 

 


 

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Posted by Norm48327 on Monday, March 23, 2015 7:57 AM

Ulrich

Maybe the pedestrian problem is like the graffitti problem... basically unsolvable... something we should learn to live with unless we're prepared to fence in or police every mile of railroad.  We should accept that the world cannot be made totally safe and that a certain number of deaths and injuries are unavoidable.

 

Utopians will never accept that. Bang Head

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Posted by Ulrich on Monday, March 23, 2015 6:46 AM

Maybe the pedestrian problem is like the graffitti problem... basically unsolvable... something we should learn to live with unless we're prepared to fence in or police every mile of railroad.  We should accept that the world cannot be made totally safe and that a certain number of deaths and injuries are unavoidable.

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Posted by tree68 on Sunday, March 22, 2015 4:30 PM

After seeing the reaction to my letter to the local paper regarding a photo that appeared in it of a trespasser walking in the guage, we have a long road ahead of us in trying to prevent such incidents.  Virtually every comment to my letter on-line supported the tresspasser.  And even the trespasser replied, defending her action.

Far too many people (dare I say "most"?) see the tracks as just another pedestrian walkway to get from here to there.  

As was pointed out, most of them wouldn't consider walking along the freeway, but I'd opine that if freeways saw the well-spaced (and often only a few trains a day) traffic that railroads see, they'd be walking there, too.  Especially if it was a shortcut between points A and B.

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Posted by Deggesty on Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:44 PM

And, I think of the woman who, a few years back, was running on the FEC's main, listening to something so that she could not hear the train that came up behind her--she came out far better than most people in such a situation; she lost part of each leg.

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:07 PM

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Posted by mudchicken on Sunday, March 22, 2015 10:11 AM

(1) OLI has been sounding the alarm for at least the last six years in big bold letters along with the issues about private crossings.

(2) In less than a month, NTSB is holding hearings on the subject.

Walking or jogging along a track is every bit as dumb as walking or jogging in the left lane of the freeway. (and there are laws against both types of reckless endangerment)

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, March 22, 2015 10:09 AM

Take off the headphones - what you hear could save your life!

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