RED MEANS STOP right?

[csxengineer98]

big diffrince between Restricting..and Restricive

[CShaveRR]

I've got one for you...

Soon after I started working for the CNW (this would have been 1971), I was on a Proviso-to-Butler (WI) road train. The train ahead of us was having problems, stalling on those rugged grades [;)] between St. Francis and Butler. We cut away from our train and gave him a pu***he first time, but a few miles later he was stalled again. This time we took our train with us as we pushed him.

We got our trains moving at a decent speed, their conducor cut away from us, and we slowed down a bit. About 20 seconds later, speed still decreasing, my engineer looked over at me and asked, very casually,

"Ever run an absolute signal before?"

I looked up in time to see the three red semaphores of Belton Junction go by the window![:0]

I don't think we had much choice at that point, and we heard nothing more about it. Of course, that was then...who knows who would want to make something out of it nowadays?

[Rodney Beck]

Yes under GCOR the dispatcher can talk you by the signal. Sorry I have been working alot. Rodney

[kenneo]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98

big diffrince between Restricting..and Restricive

Absolutely. Rick saw the difference. When a dispatcher or interlocking operator wants to inform you that you have something other than high green, such as when he has taken a signal away from you, he will use the term "Restrictive". The word, "Restricting" can apply several different ways, and is, as you say, the name of a signal indication. My experience is that it would be a "solid yellow", what we used to call "Approach, Prepared to Stop". If he has "cleared" a signal for you, he/she would say "I have given you a less restrictive signal. You may proceed according to signal indication." Perhaps a particular rule would also apply in which case he would also state what rule that would be.

The bit about the flashing red was to add it to the conversation about "When RED doesn't mean stop". Although it could be used in advance of a solid red (either ABS or Absolute) I suppose, I have only seen it used at interlockings or within CTC where switch engines use the main, a yard switching lead that has main line access, as the "enter yard" signal when leaving CTC or an interlocking into a yard, or where going from signaled main line to dark main line within yard limits. It appears to take the place of the square "R" fixed signal (sign) where block signals of any type are in operation. "R" in this case means "Proceed at Restricted Speed" and this restriction would then end at a yard board.

The flashing red sure would have been nice to have when I was working CTC interlockings. You could just have brought the train up to your solid red "A" and when he contacted you saying he was stopped, I could just have given him a flashing red, and he could have just gone about his business, contacting me when done. But no. Each time, each direction, stop, ask, permit, go, stop, ask, permit, go, stop ask, permit, go ----and on and on. It makes "aceie-ducie" 100 cars over a CTC switch a real chore.

[Rick Gates]

Would it be easier if internationally, all signals were standardized to cover all senarios everywhere. Rule 292 woulf be understood by all and so on. Sort of like speaking one language. All signals could be recorded when need be by rule number. Just a thought.[swg]

[Anonymous]

I think it means stop

DOGGY

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98

adams....
thats the same thing here in the US... if you pass an abslulte signal that is displaying a STOP indication... without permision of the train dispatcher.... you are FIRED.....DO NOT PASS GO..DO NOT COLLECT 200 BUCKS...for at least 30 days.... on the rail roads here..... being fired is more or less a suspetntion for what ever time limet the disaplary investication desides it should be.... for your first offence on passing a stop without permison... its normaly 30 days off... but here on CSX...they have started a new policy a few years back....that if you should pass a stop signal without permistion..its 30 days off...and your next office..no matter when it happens in your rail road carrier...is PERMINET DISSMISSAL.....this also aplyes to running a red board at a 707... they lumped it into a cataigory of "occupying main track without permission"....under the critical life rules disiplane policy...
on csx....5 critical life rules are......
occupying main track without permision....( running a red signal..... running a red board at a 707 work order....running a DTC block in dark territory)
blue flags.....( running into a track that is blue flag protected)
for the signal man....failer to maintain crossing warning devices....
and for MOW workers..failer to be use fall protection....(being tied off with a rope to prevent hiting the ground when working above sertain feet)
i forget the last one...but ill look next time i report for duty..lol....
csx engineer

CSX,
is it 1 strike and your out right?

DOGGY

[Mookie]

Doggy - if I may interject here - years ago, which is the only thing I can go by - you had a rule infraction and they had an investigation. Then they decided how much vacation you would take - at your own expense. It may be a set time for set things, now, but any rules infraction is serious - since lives are at stake. You could be pulled out of service for life or for 10 days or for whatever they deem punishment for the infraction. So while the details may be different in 2004 than they were in the dark ages (50's-60's) - the one rule is the same - don't break the rules.

Mook

[csxengineer98]

doggy..
no..its 2 strike and your out on some rules...if you live..... your first strike is a suspention..to think about what you did...the second time..your done...
i could sit here and type out the intire csx dissaplanery policy for you..but that would just take to long...and besides..if you dont work for csx...would mean next to nothing...
doggy..
for once and i know it might be hard for you.... read something i say with an open mind..and not make some comment.... i said it was 2 strikes... not 1...2....
csx engineer

[wabash1]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98

doggy..
no..its 2 strike and your out on some rules...if you live..... your first strike is a suspention..to think about what you did...the second time..your done...
i could sit here and type out the intire csx dissaplanery policy for you..but that would just take to long...and besides..if you dont work for csx...would mean next to nothing...
doggy..
for once and i know it might be hard for you.... read something i say with an open mind..and not make some comment.... i said it was 2 strikes... not 1...2....
csx engineer

I will agree with you 100% but add one thing. ( for doggy to think about) what may be a minor thing on the csx ( just being chewed out ) may require some time off on another railroad. each railroad has its own way of dealing out the punishment. If i was to get on moving equipment on the ns its 15days. and depending on your record it may go on paper hanging over your head. Now just maybe on the csx( and i dont know just a example) they might turn their heads and say nothing.

[kenneo]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Rick Gates

Would it be easier if internationally, all signals were standardized to cover all senarios everywhere. Rule 292 woulf be understood by all and so on. Sort of like speaking one language. All signals could be recorded when need be by rule number. Just a thought.[swg]

I don't know that it would make much if any difference. Prior to the FRA mandated signal rules, every roads signal system was different, and if you ran over their road, you had to pass their rules exam. I would think that on CONRAIL, you would have seen a bit of that, but that would also depend on where you were assigned. I'm thinking here about the various roads such ans CNJ, RDG, E-L and so on. Things ran well.

So I would think that it would be rather simple to take two rules exams, one for the US and one for Canada. The rules are, essentially, the same.

BTW, the def of "Restricted Speed", now is, I think ---1/2 the distance to the obstacle not to exceed 20.

[csxengineer98]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo

QUOTE: Originally posted by Rick Gates

Would it be easier if internationally, all signals were standardized to cover all senarios everywhere. Rule 292 woulf be understood by all and so on. Sort of like speaking one language. All signals could be recorded when need be by rule number. Just a thought.[swg]

I don't know that it would make much if any difference. Prior to the FRA mandated signal rules, every roads signal system was different, and if you ran over their road, you had to pass their rules exam. I would think that on CONRAIL, you would have seen a bit of that, but that would also depend on where you were assigned. I'm thinking here about the various roads such ans CNJ, RDG, E-L and so on. Things ran well.

So I would think that it would be rather simple to take two rules exams, one for the US and one for Canada. The rules are, essentially, the same.

BTW, the def of "Restricted Speed", now is, I think ---1/2 the distance to the obstacle not to exceed 20.

on csx
restricted speed is
be prepaired to stop within 1/2 the range of vistion...stoping short of a train, a car, an obbstruction, on track equipment, imporpery lined switch, derail or stop signal...it must permit looking out for broken rail...and must not exceed 15mph
csx engineer