Overmod Erik_Mag Looks like the engine had a provision for using shotshell blanks for starting the engine, much like on the Wildcat. Or, as I recall, the triple-OP 'Deltic' engines on the earliest locomotives, including the prototype. Or the interesting V-8 engines on the first GE gas-electrics...
Erik_Mag Looks like the engine had a provision for using shotshell blanks for starting the engine, much like on the Wildcat.
Or, as I recall, the triple-OP 'Deltic' engines on the earliest locomotives, including the prototype. Or the interesting V-8 engines on the first GE gas-electrics...
I believe both the prototype and production Deltic locomotives started their engines by motoring the attached DC generator.
The marine Deltic did use cartridges.
I'm sure I've bored people here with my stories of trying to start the port engine of HMAS Snipe early in 1969. We had four cartridges and two engines and when we put the third cartridge into the port engine I had most of my fingers and at least two toes on each foot crossed. It started, and the starboard started with the one remaining cartridge.
We then spent a few hours towing a target for HMAS Brisbane. This was the first time I'd been on the receiving end of 5"/54 projectiles and noticed that you only heard them after they had splashed down.
Peter
probably inspired by:
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http://www.broadway-limited2.com/support/PRR%20S2%20Loco%20Exp%20View.pdf
Jones 3D Modeling Club https://www.youtube.com/Jones3DModelingClub
"The World of Work?"
Now that's interesting, I've got a hard-cover book put out by Doubleday, Page & Company" in 1914 titled "The World's Work-War Manual Of The Great 1914 European Conflict," kind of a "who's-who" of the major players, what it's all about, new weaponry, and such.
Interesting, the first sentence of the first article...
"The nations of Europe are interrupting history again, fighting over the old battles on the old battlefields."
I wonder if "The World's Work" had anything to do with "The World of Work?"
Great little book, and the really fun thing is the period advertising, including a company we've all heard of...
"Hamilton Watch, The Watch of Railroad Accuracy!"
Flintlock76I believe the people who did those drawings were every bit the equal of any Renaissance Master who ever lived. I'm sure Maestro Da Vinci would agree with me.
Speaking as someone who was, albeit briefly, closely engaged with the 'cream' of contemporary Da Vinci academic scholarship -- he is to be ranked with the engineers, not the 'artists'. His paintings are relatively few precisely because he used them to experiment with things like the physics of optical representation and perspective. And he is more than a little known for mechanical drawing representation (and, I think, would have enjoyed the Mongean revolution leading to modern perspective drawing and hence phantom views...)
Many years ago I came across a portfolio of artist etchings of fully-industrial subjects made with the full care and attention of an 'Old Master' -- the series was something like "The World Of Work" and the artist, who was classically trained, noted that the 'proper' subject for attentive skill was no longer natural or 'beautiful' subjects, but the things that were making the latter 1800s more and more an age of wonder. I now wish I'd bought the things, because I can now find no reference to them or the artist -- perhaps Mike knows.
Erik_MagLooks like the engine had a provision for using shotshell blanks for starting the engine, much like on the Wildcat.
Overmod Jones1945 Inside the melting creamy cake (click to enlarge) : What a delight THIS is! (Incidentally, click twice for the largest display of the fine detail...) I don't suppose the place you obtained this also has the table with detailed callout of all the numbered items... ?
Jones1945 Inside the melting creamy cake (click to enlarge) :
Inside the melting creamy cake (click to enlarge) :
What a delight THIS is! (Incidentally, click twice for the largest display of the fine detail...)
I don't suppose the place you obtained this also has the table with detailed callout of all the numbered items... ?
This is the only page I found of this illustration, Mr. Overmod. It really helps people who are not familiar with mechanical engineering to understand what was inside the dream engine of Sir Herbert Nigel Gresley.
I remember the first time I saw a picture of the Hush-Hush when I was a kid, I thought she must be something capable to rival the Mallard. In retrospect, I have been obsessed with the streamlined experimental steam engine for quite a long time...
Overmod,
It might be a good engine for Cripe's DMT as I would imagine that it would put out perhaps a bit more power than the proposed diesel engines, not to mention the PT-6's used in the Turbotrain. I certainly would not want to be the poor mechanic that had to work on the thing.
Looks like the engine had a provision for using shotshell blanks for starting the engine, much like on the Wildcat.
Let me tell you, there's some who would give me a hell of an argument over this, but I believe the people who did those drawings were every bit the equal of any Renaissance Master who ever lived.
I'm sure Maestro Da Vinci would agree with me.
" 'Ey, datsa good! What you calla that thing, and how you make one?"
Now THAT is Overmodulated.
How a person does this is way beyond me!
BaltACDI always marvel at the artists that have the ability to create understandable 'cut away' drawings of complex machinery.
Here's another ... wouldn't this have made a great railcar engine?
Deserves to be computer wallpaper somewhere. But here is something that will tickle you even more than the picture that is my avatar...
I always marvel at the artists that have the ability to create understandable 'cut away' drawings of complex machienry.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Overmod M636C I think (being away from my collection) that volume 8 sounds about right for the RCTS LNER set. Steamindex shows it to be volume 6C. Both parts 8 are tank engines. Would you know if the catchall 'part 11' volume contains valuable or meaningful 'new' information on the W-1?
M636C I think (being away from my collection) that volume 8 sounds about right for the RCTS LNER set.
Steamindex shows it to be volume 6C. Both parts 8 are tank engines. Would you know if the catchall 'part 11' volume contains valuable or meaningful 'new' information on the W-1?
In about a week I'll be back in the same house as the RCTS Collection (LNER and GWR only). I recall thinking that Volume 11 was a disappointment.
M636CI think (being away from my collection) that volume 8 sounds about right for the RCTS LNER set.
'For the record' Steamindex shows it to be volume 6C. Both parts 8 appear to be tank engines. Would you know if the catchall 'part 11' volume contains valuable or meaningful 'new' information on the W-1?
M636COne of the problems with the conventional three drum marine boiler is that the hot gases must be contained by the external casing which is fine within the hull of a ship but on a moving locomotive chassis which is subject to flexing and road shock, the casing is likely to develop leaks and result in loss of efficiency.
This was complicated on the 10000, as I recall, because for some reason -- it might have been air preheating -- some of the space between the 'streamlined' cleading and the boiler was managed as a kind of ram-air duct from the front, and when the engine was at speed the insufficiently-stiff casing would 'breathe' a bit like the hull of the United States; if I recall the account correctly you could visibly see the rippling effect in the metal.
There were, of course, other instances where a casing intended to be gas-tight was used on a locomotive, perhaps the finest example being the Fuller-Lehigh 'conversion' to burn lignite and other subbituminous wretchedness effectively at the (high!) necessary mass flow rate. This used forced draft, something that is not so fine when there are lots of fines in the combustion gas. Anyone familiar with the history of high-pressure combustion in power boilers (for example, the infamous Velox) will know the fun that comes with jets of black stuff from every minor orifice that opens up, even transiently.
I am still eagerly waiting anyone who can describe the experimental "Lamont" firebox that was tried post-WWII in occupied East Germany (H45 024). Apparently rather than adapting the 'automotive' version of LaMont's boiler (see for example 1920907A of 1933) they tried using more of a Benson once-through approach. I find it unsurprising that this would lack flexibility and decent turndown ratio (just as Benson-cycle powerplant boilers do) but would like to learn exactly what was built, and why, and what specific lessons were learned from the experiment.
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I'm sure you will get $4.78 worth of reading from even a somewhat degraded copy of the book. I've never seen a paperback version of that book but I have paperback copies of other contemporary Ian Allan titles and they are fine. I have replaced a couple with second hand hardbacks which will last better.
I think (being away from my collection) that volume 8 sounds about right for the RCTS LNER set. Volume 1 is the preliminary survey, Volume 2a the Pacifics, classes A1 to A10 so class W1 would be further down the list. It is sad that your copy went astray. Those books are a little strange to non British readers but have most of the technical details. The description of the development of the Gresley conjugated gear (possibly in volume 6b) is very well researched and written.
One of the problems with the conventional three drum marine boiler is that the hot gases must be contained by the external casing which is fine within the hull of a ship but on a moving locomotive chassis which is subject to flexing and road shock, the casing is likely to develop leaks and result in loss of efficiency.
The water tube fireboxes coupled to a conventional fire tube boiler as in Emerson and Brotan designs reduces the size of the casing to a more managable size and the conventional boiler barrel helps to stiffen the rest of the locomotive structure.
M636CI assume you don't have a copy of "The British Steam Railway Locomotive 1925-1965" or you would have quoted it as a source.
It appears there is a paperback version, a copy of which I have just ordered for the princely sum of $4.78 delivered to me in the USA. While it's possible this is in a restricted size or lower print quality than the hardbound editions, the technical information should be 'just as good'...
I have no excuse for not having bought a copy earlier, only ignorance and lassitude. I now recall that I actually ordered one of the LNER 'series' that was supposed to contain their account of the Hush-Hush (was it Volume 8?) but it was never delivered and I of course forgot to follow up.
The idea of adapting a Yarrow boiler to railroad service was a reasonable one, and I'm frankly sorry it didn't work.
Overmod Thanks, Peter!
Thanks, Peter!
I assume you don't have a copy of "The British Steam Railway Locomotive 1925-1965" or you would have quoted it as a source. I strongly recommend that you get a copy. There were two printings, the first with a cream dust jacket that matched "The British Steam Railway Locomotive 1825-1925" published for the Centenary of the Stockton and Darlington in 1925. I can't recall the author. It was basically a reprint of many historical articles from "The Locomotive Railway Carriage and Wagon Review". Both volumes have numerous drawings showing technical detail. The 1825 to 1925 volume was reprinted in the 1960s with a reprint of the 1965 volume both with colour dust jacket covers, the earlier green, the later red.
I'm sure you would enjoy the second volume, even if (like me) you avoid Oswald Nock's work. The illustrations alone are worth whatever it costs.
Midland Mike-- The written description attached states the loco came along with a complete technology package for a new calcining furnace for Alumina. So you are almost for certain on the right track. Definitely protection against hazards.
M636C- Yes, thank you. Quite the stack, I would not believe it so if it were not for the photo.
Miningman 3) This has to be a Gresley... right?? .. and the tracks off the turntable go the wrong way!
3) This has to be a Gresley... right?? .. and the tracks off the turntable go the wrong way!
The best source for data on this locomotive is the twenty or so volume series on "Locomotives of the LNER" published some years ago by the Railway Correspondence and Travel Society. I'm still in the wrong city to look these up. Another worthwhile book (that Overmod should have) is O.S Nock's "The British Steam Railway Locomotive 1925-1965" which has TWO gatefold drawings of LNER 10 000 which should provide adequate detail for anybody. The boiler was basically an Admiralty three drum water tube boiler with a conventional rear section and a narrow forward section to fit between the driving wheels. It was a four cylinder compound.
Because the locomotive filled up the loading gauge there were a number of experiments with the stack arrangement. Initially it ended flush with the sloping air duct above the smokebox. In the photo above there was a single stack. It finally had a double Kylchap. It wasn't a success and was rebuilt into something that looked like an A4 but with a longer (50 sq ft) grate and three simple cylinders.
Is the Alcan switcher shrouded against getting to close to the furnace, or is it to shed abrasive or flammable dust, or something else?
Yeah, it's German all right.
Check this out and you'll see the family resemblance...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztkKJUQB4rU
Only a single entry this time but it's a doozy. Looks like something from Star Wars or WWII on the bad guys side.
Comes with explanation. (R & S is Roberval and Saugenay) Arvida, Quebec
Rio Tinto Alcan Bauxite and Alumina. A rather bizarre unit that has escaped everyone as it is hidden deep within Arvida.It was acquired from Germany in 1982 or 1983 when the new calcining furnace for alumina was built using German technology. It came with the technology package. It apparently is a B-B arrangement with a diesel mechanical or hydraulic drive. The unit is remote controlled and has a coupler only at the rear end. It is used for moving cuts of empty covered hoppers from the R & S yard tracks into the car loader and then moving the loaded cars of alumina to the adjacent yard tracks for the R & S to lift. With a coupler at only one end it is always operating at the same end of the yard. Roberval & Saugenay does the maintenance. Arvida, QC May 12, 2010 Ian Stronach
Re 3) It's steam too! The folks on those 2nd floors with all the windows must get quite the emissions and aromatherapy session.
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