How about the Akron, Canton and Youngstown Railway?
ZephyrOverland Gulf, Mobile and Northern?
Gulf, Mobile and Northern?
No
KCSfan After just a bit of research I found that the ITC indeed did bill itself as "The Road of Service" in the 1940-50's. The slogan "The Road of Personalized Services" was adopted in the 1960's. Mark
After just a bit of research I found that the ITC indeed did bill itself as "The Road of Service" in the 1940-50's. The slogan "The Road of Personalized Services" was adopted in the 1960's.
Mark
Not the road I had in mind. Another road used this slogan even earlier.
KCSfan The Illinois Terminal used the slogan "The Road of Personal (or was it Personalized) Service". Not quite the slogan you asked about so you may have another road in mind. Mark
The Illinois Terminal used the slogan "The Road of Personal (or was it Personalized) Service". Not quite the slogan you asked about so you may have another road in mind.
Not quite, but you're close.
New York Ontario and Western?
As long as we're on slogans, which railroad billed itself as "The Road Of Service"?
CSSHEGEWISCH "A Mill to the Mile" was the slogan of Piedmont & Northern, a former interurban which dieselized with an all-Alco roster and was eventually absorbed by SCL.
"A Mill to the Mile" was the slogan of Piedmont & Northern, a former interurban which dieselized with an all-Alco roster and was eventually absorbed by SCL.
Paul,
Yes it was the P&N. You get to light up your cigar and ask the next question.
Not the P&S or the P&LE. Keep guessing Henry.
1) Pittsburgh and Shawmutt?
2) Pittsburgh and Lake Erie?
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"A Mill to the Mile" was the advertising slogan of what small Class I railroad which had two divisions that were physically separated by a gap of 53 miles? Its application to build a connection between the two divisions was denied by the ICC in 1932.
Mark you got them all. Your turn.
Al - in - Stockton
Whoever, objected to the Houserland didn't note that it (along witht he State of Maine) was my contribution and the Houserland was not the Monon Train but that of the Indiana Railroad interuruban.
The miane point, hwoever, is that the CB&Q-DRG&W-WP transcontinenental route did not seem to have a secondary through transcontinental train in memory . There was the Exposition Flyer and then the Californina Zephyr. I suppose one could peace together a case of the Zepheret, the Scenic Limited or Prospector, and whatever Burlingon had other than the two Zephyrs, probably an unnamed train Denver - Chicago, but if anyone knows if there was ever a through secondary trian, I would be most interested.
Argonaut (Sunset Route)
Imperial (Golden State Route)
Grand Canyon (Santa Fe)
Pony Express & Gold Coast (Overland Route)
Columbian (Milw Rd)
Western Star (GN)
Mainstreeter (NP)
Dominion (CP)
Continental Ltd (CN)
Next question. Circa 1955 name the secondary transcontinental trains on all western routes including the two Canadian Roads west of Chicago?
Deggesty ZephyrOverland did name a Northwestern Ironwood-Chicago train, the Wisconsin Lake Special, which may have been entirely distinct from the Wisconsin Lakes Special that you named.
ZephyrOverland did name a Northwestern Ironwood-Chicago train, the Wisconsin Lake Special, which may have been entirely distinct from the Wisconsin Lakes Special that you named.
From my research, the Wisconsin Lake Special and Wisconsin Lakes Special were different C&NW trains. The former ran only in the summer of 1932, whereas the latter ran from the late 1930's on. This is a constant challenge in researching passenger train names - once you get away from the deluxe trains we all know and love, passenger train nomenclature becomes less solid.
Another example of this was the Overland Route's Transcon of 1946. This train was referred as the Transcon, The Transcontinental or Transcontinental Limited depending on the source of the information, the name varying from railroad timetables to contemporary newspaper ads or stories.
This issue of variations on a train name is especially prevalent from the beginning of the industry to the 1920's, when the railroads realized that a train name can be used as a marketing tool.
Mark, I am sorry to hear of your loss. I trust that you and your family have been comforted through this time.
As to state nicknames, the number of trains bearing such did not materially affect the total of named trains, nor did those that may have been named primarily for a city.
The total is now 142. If anybody would like to see my spreadsheet, I can E-mail it to you.
Johnny
I've been up in Illinois this past week attending a family funeral hence my lack of contributions to the list of trains with state names.
Three trains that weren't mentioned were:
The Wisconsin Lakes Spcl. - CNW - Chicago to Oshkosh (Friday only summertime train)
Ill-Mo (or was it Illmo) Ltd. - Illinois Terminal - Peoria to St. Louis
Illini - IC - Chicago to Carbondale
If you're going to include the Bay State, Empire State Exp and Hooiser (there may at one itme have been a Hoosierland but the post WW2 Monon train was simply the Hoosier), then some other trains with state nicknames should be added. I can think of three off the top om my head; The PRR's Keystone (PA) , the RI/SP Golden State Ltd (CA) and the Badger (WI) which was either a Milw Rd or CNW train, I don't remember which.
Deggesty It's almost twenty-four hours since I spoke of one more day--and only three more were added. Eliminating duplications, I tally the following new trains: CSSHegewisch 16 ZephyrOverland 39 passengerfan 60 wanswheel 14 henry6 7 I counted 122 duplications. The Southern had an Atlanta to New York train, the New Yorker; the sleepers were added to the Southerner in Washington, and the Pennsy took the combined train north. The Seaboard had a New York-Florida Limited to both coasts; it had the standard handling between New York City and Richmond. I did not know that the Pennsy ever handled the Florida Sunbeam into Cincinnati; indeed, I did not know that the Southern and Pennsy had any interchange there; I knew only of Sou/NYC interchange there. Obviously, Al - in - Stockton found more than anyone else, so he gets the box of cigars and a second boxful is to be distributed among the rest of you. Johnny
It's almost twenty-four hours since I spoke of one more day--and only three more were added.
Eliminating duplications, I tally the following new trains:
CSSHegewisch 16
ZephyrOverland 39
passengerfan 60
wanswheel 14
henry6 7
I counted 122 duplications.
The Southern had an Atlanta to New York train, the New Yorker; the sleepers were added to the Southerner in Washington, and the Pennsy took the combined train north.
The Seaboard had a New York-Florida Limited to both coasts; it had the standard handling between New York City and Richmond.
I did not know that the Pennsy ever handled the Florida Sunbeam into Cincinnati; indeed, I did not know that the Southern and Pennsy had any interchange there; I knew only of Sou/NYC interchange there.
Obviously, Al - in - Stockton found more than anyone else, so he gets the box of cigars and a second boxful is to be distributed among the rest of you.
Cough, cough and THANK YOU, Johnny...if we could please have a snifter of brandy with that cigar, it will be perfect. Fun putting this one together..
Dropped to save space?
Again, the Colorado Eagle was a DRG&W train and not just an MP train. It did handle local passengers Pueblo-Colorado Springs-Denver
Dave Klepper, D&RGW fan. In spades.
wanswheel Kansan (UP) Kansas City to Salina Ohioan (PRR) Chicago to Columbus Connecticut Yankee (NYNH&H) New York to Springfield
Kansan (UP) Kansas City to Salina
Ohioan (PRR) Chicago to Columbus
Connecticut Yankee (NYNH&H) New York to Springfield
Also, can I suggest or ask the moderators to please delete some of the above pages of listings to avoid confusions and save space!
ZephyrOverland Here is Henry's list cleaned up..... BLACK=STATE, BLUE=RIVER, RED=NICKNAME, PURPLE=CITY, GREEN=OTHER
Here is Henry's list cleaned up.....
BLACK=STATE, BLUE=RIVER, RED=NICKNAME, PURPLE=CITY, GREEN=OTHER
Appreciate what you did, ZO. Just fixed a couple of color codes, added a few explanations, and raised a few questions. I hope we can start another two listes: one people named trains and animal named trains. By the time we finish that, intergrate the lists, we should have every named train ever run! Not.
Alaskan – CBQ/NP Chicago-Seattle
Ak Sar Ben
Arizona Limited - RI/SP
Arkansas and Texas Express - Frisco - St. Louis-Oklahoma City
Bay State (Massachusetts) – NH
Californian - CRI&P/SP - Chicago – Los Angeles
California Fast Mail - RI/SP - Chicago-Los Angeles
California Limited – ATSFCalifornia Zephyr - CB&Q/D&RGW/WP
Carolina Special – SOU
Colorado & Kansas City Express - CRI&P - St. Louis – Denver
Colorado Eagle - MP - St. Louis – Denver
Colorado Express - C&NW/UP - Chicago-Denver
Colorado Flyer - AT&SF - Chicago – Denver
Colorado Limited - Alton/CB&Q - St .Louis – Denver
Colorado – New Mexico Express – D&RGW – Denver – Grand Junction
Colorado Special - C&S/FW&D - Denver – Dallas
Connecticut River Night Express - NH/BM/CV/CP/Quebec Central - New York-Quebec
Dakota 400 - C&NW
Dakota Limited - M& St. L - Minneapolis- Watertown
Delaware Valley Express - PRR - Philadelphia-Trenton (go to Stroudsburg, PA?)
Del-Mar-Va Express - PRR - Philadelphia-Cape Charles
Empire State Express - NYC
Fast Flying Virginian (C&O) Washington to Cincinnati
Florida Arrow - PRR/L&N/ACL/FEC - Chicago-Cincinnati –Miami
Florida – Cuba Special - PRR /ACL/ FEC - New York – Key West
Florida East Coast Limited - PRR/ACL/FEC - New York – Miami (named for the railroad?)
Florida Limited – FEC - Jacksonville – Palm Beach – Miami
Florida Special - PRR/RF&P/ACL
Florida Sunbeam - RFP/SAL - Washington-Miami/St. Petersburg
Floridan - IC/C of G/ACL/FEC - Chicago – Miami
Georgia Cracker - CoG - Atlanta-Savannah
Georgian – NC&STL/L&N - St. Louis – Atlanta later C&EI provided Chicago service
Idaho Express - UP - Salt Lake City-Pocatello
Idahoan – C&NW/UP Chicago – Portland
Illinois Limited - CSS&SB
Illinois Limited - North Shore - Chicago-Milwaukee
Indiana-Ohio Special - B4 - Detroit-Indianapolis
Hoosierland Indiana Railroad (interurban) Fort Wayne - Indianapolis
Iowan (IC) Chicago to Sioux City
Iowa-Nebraska Express - Milwaukee Road - Chicago-Omaha/Sioux City
Iowa – Nebraska Ltd. - CRI&P – Chicago – Omaha
Kansas City-Florida Special - SLSF/SOU
Kansas Limited - MP - St. Louis-Kansas City-Wichita
Kentuckian – C&O – Washington – Cincinnati
Kentucky Cardinal - IC - Louisville-Memphis
Louisiana Eagle –T&P – New Orleans – Ft Worth
Louisiana Limited - TP - New Orleans-Ft. Worth-El Paso
Louisiana Sunshine – MP – St. Louis – Shreveport
Louisiane – IC – Chicago – New Orleans
Penn Texas - PRR
Maine Coast Special - BM/CV/CN - Portland-Montreal
Marylander - CNJ/RDG/BO - Jersey City-Washington
Memphis – Californian - CRI&P/SP Memphis – Los Angeles
Michigan – MC – Chicago – Detroit
Michigan Boulevard – IC- Chicago – St. Louis (famous Chicago waterfront street)
Michigan Central Limited –NYC - Chicago – New York
Michigan Express –PM/C&O – Detroit – Chicago
Michigan Limited – MC – Chicago – Detroit
Michigan Special (NYC) Cincinnati to Detroit
Minnesota 400 – C&NW – Mankato – Wyeville
Minnesota & Black Hills Express – CMSTP&P – Chicago – Deadwood
Minnesota Marquette - Milwaukee Road - Chicago-Madison-Minneapolis
Minnesotan (CGW) Chicago to Minneapolis
Mississippian - Gulf & Ship Island - Jackson-Gulfport
Miss Lou - IC - Jackson-New Orleans
Missourian – MP – St. Louis – Kansas City
Missouri Flyer – CB&Q – St. Louis – Kansas City – Lincoln
Missouri Limited – CB&Q – Chicago – Kansas City/St. Joseph
Missouri River Eagle - MP – St. Louis – Kansas City – Omaha
Missouri River Express – C&NW – Minneapolis – Omaha
Missouri State Express - Chicago & Alton - St. Louis-Kansas City
Nebraska-Chicago Limited - CBQ - Lincoln-Chicago
Nebraska Zephyr (CB&Q ) Chicago to Omaha
New England States-B&A (NYC)
New Mexico, Utah and California Express - DRG/RGW - Denver-Ogden
New York & New Orleans Ltd. – PRR /Sou/W of A/ L&N – New York – New Orleans
New York & Washington & Seaboard Airline Express – PRR/RF&P/SAL/ New York – Miami
New York Boston Express - NYNH&H – New York – Boston
New York – Cincinnati – St. Louis Limited – B&O – New York – St. Louis
New York Day Express –B&A/NYNH&H – Boston – New York
New York Express – B&A/NYNH&H – Boston – New York
New York – Florida Ltd. – NYNH&H/PRR/RF&P/ACL/FEC – Boston - New York – Miami
New York Limited – PRR – New York – Atlantic City
New York Night Express – B&O/Read/JC – New York – Washington
New York Special – NYC- New York – Detroit
New York State Express – BA-NYC – Boston- New York – Buffalo
New York – Washington – Atlanta – New Orleans Express – PRR/SOU/W 0f A/ L&N –New York – New Orleans
New Yorker – LV/PRR – Buffalo – New York
New Yorker – PRR – New York – St. Louis
New Yorker –DL&W, NKP
New York Mail-DL&W
Ohio Special –NYC – Cincinnati - Detroit
Ohio State Limited - NYC
Ohio Special - Q&C/SR - Cincinnati-Jacksonville
Oklahoman - Frisco - Kansas City-Tulsa
On Wisconsin - CMSTP&P – Madison – Milwaukee – Chicago
Oregon-Washington Limited - CNW/UP/Oregon RR & Nav/Oregon Short Line - Chicago-Portland
Pennsylvania – Lehigh Express – LV/PRR – Buffalo – Philadelphia (named for railroad and river?)
Pennsylvania Limited – PRR – New York – Pittsburgh
Pennsylvania Special – PRR – New York – Chicago
Pennsylvanian - PRR - Chicago-New York
Rochester – Minnesota Special - C&NW – Chicago – Mankato
St. Louis & Colorado Express – CRI&P – St. Louis – Denver
South Dakota Express - CNW - Minneapolis-Huron
State of Maine NYNH&H, B&M, Msine Central, New York - GCT - Bangor (and Concord, NH)
Tennessean – Sou/N&W/Sou – Washington – Memphis
Tennessean - MP - St. Louis-Memphis
Texas Eagle - MP/T&P
Texas Flash - Frisco - Kansas City-Joplin/Dallas
Texas Rocket (CRI&P) Kansas City to Dallas
Texan – MP/T&P – St. Louis – Texas
Texas – Colorado Limited – C&S/FW&D – Dallas - Denver
Texas Limited – MP – New Orleans – Houston
Texas Ranger – AT&SF – Chicago – Galveston
Texas Special - SLSF/MKT
Texas Zephyr - C&S/FW&D
Utah Express - UP - Ashton-Pocatello-Salt Lake City
Utahn (C&NW, UP) Chicago to Los Angeles
Vermonter - CV - White River Junction-St. Albans
Virginia and Ohio Express - NW - Cincinnati-Norfolk
Washingtonian - MILW - Spokane-Tacoma
West Texas Express (AT&SF) Amarillo to Lubbock
West Texan – T&P – Dallas – El Paso
West Virginian – C&O – Washington – Cincinnati
West Virginia Limited - Western Maryland - Cumberland-Elkins
Wisconsin Lake Special - CNW - Ironwood-Chicago
Wyoming Valley Express – LV – New York – Wilkes Barre (named for local Native American tribe who lived there before white settlers drove them out to the west. State of Wyoming is named after them and the area of the Wyoming Express is Wyoming County, PA.)
Alaskan - CBQ/NP - Chicago-Seattle
Delaware Valley Express - PRR - Philadelphia-Trenton
Florida East Coast Limited - PRR/ACL/FEC - New York – Miami
Michigan Boulevard – IC- Chicago – St. Louis
New York State Express – NYC – New York – Buffalo
New York – Washington – Atlanta – New Orleans Express – PRR/SOU/W 0f A/ L&N –New York –
New Orleans
New York State Express - BA - Boston-Albany
Pennsylvania – Lehigh Express – LV/PRR – Buffalo – Philadelphia
Wyoming Valley Express – LV – New York – Wilkes Barre
I saw a photogrpah of the E-unit with the logos. They may not have lasted long. Perhaps they were there for inaugural publicity purposes. In any case it was definitely a D&RGW train as well as an MP train. It would handle local passengers Denver- Colorado Springs, Pueblo. This was always true. The MP power usually did run through, but on occasion was swapped at Pueblo.
The person with the first list should get to ask the next question? It is pretty extensive.
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