Back then, the B&O had three domes; two were assigned to the Capitol Limited daily, and the other ran every other day in each direction on the Shenandoah.
By the way, my collection of Guides came down the hill to me today.
Johnny
Johnny has the correct answer. B&O's three ex-Chessie domes (5 roomette, 1 duplex single room, three drawing room) were assigned to trains 5 and 6, the Capitol Limited, with the third car cycling between trains 7 and 8, the Shenandoah. The Strata Dome coaches were assigned to trains 25 and 26, the Columbian, an all coach train (later with Slumbercoaches). The Capitol and Columbian were usually combined to preserve the fiction that the Capitol was All-Pullman. This led to a timetable where 25 and 26 stopped at Deshler Ohio, but 5 and 6 did not. This was a neat trick since both were pulled by the same locomotive.
B&O's Dome sleepers were named Moonlight Dome, Starlight Dome and Sunlight Dome . Plan 9524, diagram 295. The Drawing Rooms had only two berths instead of the usual three, and were designated as compartments in 1964. Sold to SCL/Hamburg Industries in 1969, they ran in SCL trains south of Richmond until 1971, later operated in Amtrak trains. Moonlight Dome, originally assigned to the Shenandoah , is still in service as a private car owned by Promontory Chapter NRHS.
As I leafed through my July, 1943, issue of the Guide, I noticed something unusual n the schedule of the Delta Eagle: the last stop in Arkansas was identified as being in Arkansas, and the first stop in Louisiana was identified as being in Louisiana. This reminded me of something that I saw in an early (to me) issue of Trains.
What practice of the publisher made this listing unusual? Why did the railroads not ask that all of the state lines be identified?
My guess is that Jim Crow kicked in in Louisiana. Arkansas may not have had the same laws.
Bzzzz! Sorry Rob; you missed it. The train ran from Tallulah, La., to Memphis, Tenn and back--and there is no state line indicated going into or out of Tennessee (I believe that the Volunteer State also had a law about who sat where).
The question could be stated thus: Why, as a rule, are state lines not indicated in the schedules shown in the Guide?
Did Louisiana have a local headquarters law like Texas did?
So far as I know only Texas had such a law. This had nothing to do with state laws. It was a financial matter.
Different tariff for intrastate tickets?
No, it had nothing to do with railroad tariffs.
The state of Texas had a constitutional requirement that railroads operating in Texas had to be incorporated in Texas, resulting in the continued existence of such roads at T&NO; Gulf, Colorado & Santa Fe; Panhandle & Santa Fe, MKT of Texas, various MP subsidiaries, etc. I believe that the requirement was declared unconstitutional (state regulation of interstate commerce) during the Missouri Pacific re-organization.
The Cotton Belt also had to conform to that Texas law. As I was going up to Oklahoma City last year, I noticed the former Cotton Belt freight house in Fort Worth still had the sign on it declaring it to be property of the S.L.S.W. of Texas.
Johnny, could this be because the station or stop 'split' the state line (IIRC Bristol, TN had something similar) and there were two 'stops' close together to mark the difference?
No, nothing geographic about it. Arkla, Ark., apparently was right on the state line, and Milliken, La., was 4.3 miles south of Arkla.
In Bristol, the station was (the building was still there last spring) on the north side of State Street, apparently on Southern property. I have no idea as to how far north the ET&Va track extended.
The anomaly has nothing to do with geography.
'Dry' vs. 'wet' in the diner or lounge?
I looked in a 1957 OG to see what MP had then. The only place where a state was in a timetable was South Coffeyville Oklahoma. Even Coffeyville Kansas in the same timetable didn't draw a state identifier. By contrast, Southern Pacific had state indicators in all of its non-intrastate timetables.
Okay,the SP was willing to do something that very few other railroads did not do. Remember, this is a financial matter.
Edited to make sense.
So the OG charged extra for putting state names in?
rcdrye So the OG charged extra for putting state names in?
So I'll throw out another Official Guide question (Johnny gets a three day handicap!)
Of this railroad's three U.S. subsidiaries, only one got a separate listing in the O.G. right into the 1960s - even then it didn't get its own map. I'm looking for the parent railroad, the three U.S. subsidiaries and the one that got its own timetable listings (no doubt at great expense!)
Possibly the New York Central, with the Michingan Central and the C
Posssibly the New York Central, with the CCC&StL (Big Four) and Michigan Central subsidiaries without separate listings, and the Boston and Albany with?
7StL
NYC's were all lumped together, though some of it's switching lines were listed separately. The railroad I'm looking for is still around today with U.S. subsidiaries, though it no longer owns the one that was listed separately. I checked later O.G.s and found that it still used the same setup into the 1970s.
A big hint is that one of the U.S. subsidiaries was widely known, with part of its name one of the old names of the larger system.
I'm thinking CN, Grand Trunk, Central Vermont ad interim
We have (most of) a winner. CN included Grand Trunk Western and Duluth Winnipeg and Pacific listings with its own Official Guide listings right up to April 1971, and maybe later. Central Vermont got its own pages (but not map) even though CV schedules were duplicated in the CN pages.
An interesting footnote is that CN's Grand Trunk line to Portland Maine was technically separate from the Grand Trunk Western. All of these lines except for the GT Portland line and Central Vermont remain part of Canadian National today.
Now that AB has told us two of the roads, and Rob has accepted his answer, I can tell this: one of the roads was mentioned in the Bible, according to girls in a school in Northfield, where my mother was about a century ago--"God created all creeping things"--which includes the CV.
Hmm...stand by...I'm coming up with something. Thanks
wanswheel The old thread is full of junk and treasure. Barack Obama will board a train at 30th Street Station. Abraham Lincoln arrived at 30th Street Station on what railroad? Mike
The old thread is full of junk and treasure.
Barack Obama will board a train at 30th Street Station. Abraham Lincoln arrived at 30th Street Station on what railroad?
Mike
daveryan wanswheel The old thread is full of junk and treasure. Barack Obama will board a train at 30th Street Station. Abraham Lincoln arrived at 30th Street Station on what railroad? Mike wanswheel The old thread is full of junk and treasure. Barack Obama will board a train at 30th Street Station. Abraham Lincoln arrived at 30th Street Station on what railroad? Mike
Hey, gang, the fires flared up on this end. How about one of you taking the helm...thanks.
Dave was the only other one to attempt my question. Dave?
rcdrye Dave was the only other one to attempt my question. Dave?
Dave's not here!
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