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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, September 2, 2009 3:09 PM

In 1893, 1916, and 1930, there were only two roads shown into Durango--D&RG, and RGS; both 3' gauge.  The D&RG had three lines from Durango--to Silverton, Farmington, N. M., and to Alamosa (std. gauge on to Denver). The RGS came down from Ridgeway, where it connected with the D&RG.

There was a coal rr, Boston Coal and Fuel (also 3'), which connected with the RGS at Franklin Jct.; it went up to Perrin's Peak Mine.

There were four roads into, or almost into Silverton--D&RG, Silverton, Silverton Northern, and Silverton, Gladstone & Northerly (absorbed by SN)--all 3' gauge, but this is not the town you named.

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, September 3, 2009 3:17 AM

YOu got the three railroads into Durango correct despite my error.  And I was mistaken, the coal railroad did not enter Durango but connected via the RGS.   And you are right about Silverton, also.

 

But what about the gauge question?   Can you answer that correctly  and give the full story, or should I do it?

 

In any case,  you get to ask the next question.

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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, September 4, 2009 9:20 PM

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YOu got the three railroads into Durango correct despite my error.  And I was mistaken, the coal railroad did not enter Durango but connected via the RGS.   And you are right about Silverton, also.

 

But what about the gauge question?   Can you answer that correctly  and give the full story, or should I do it?

 

In any case,  you get to ask the next question.

Dave, please give us the full story on the gauge question. Was the Durango-Farmington line built to standard gauge? I have a memory of something of that nature, but I refuse to attest to it. Indeed, the books I have about the D&RGW do not mention the construction of this line.

I hope to have a question ready tomorrow.

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Posted by Deggesty on Saturday, September 5, 2009 1:27 PM

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In any case,  you get to ask the next question.

Here is the question: what was unique about the way that the Florida East Coast identified its passenger cars (particularly, the lightweight cars)?

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Saturday, September 5, 2009 1:57 PM

All FEC passenger-carrying cars were identified by name only, none had a number.

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Posted by Deggesty on Saturday, September 5, 2009 2:46 PM

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All FEC passenger-carrying cars were identified by name only, none had a number.

Right you are, Paul; it's your question now.

I was a little surprised to see, in Birmingham, a Seaboard coach with a name and no number, in the mid-sixties. Then I realized that it was a former FEC coach.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, September 6, 2009 4:44 AM

From I remember from what I read, the D&RG learned that the Santa Fe was about to build a branch to Farmington and Durango.   This would have given them an advantage for Durango business, being standard gauge.  So the D&RGW. which had been planning a branch to Famington, built it as standard gauge, an isolated standard gauge line.  I have seen pictures of the operation, and Durango did have dual-gauge trackage.  The thought was that they would conntect with the AT&SF in Farmington and be the originating and terminating carrier.  Then the AT&SF didn't proceed with their plans, since with revenue division, it would not have been all that profitable.   So the Farmington line was unique in the USA as a line converted from standard to narrow gauge.   Someone else might be able to supply dates and more information.

Otto Mears was the financier and promoter of the Silverton Northern, Silverton Gladstone and Northerly, and the Rio Grande Southern.  He prefered to work with William Jackson Palmer of the D&RG, rather than be a rival. 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Sunday, September 6, 2009 10:08 AM

New question:  What do some of Central of Georgia's passenger trains and Frisco's E units have in common??

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Posted by KCSfan on Sunday, September 6, 2009 12:51 PM

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New question:  What do some of Central of Georgia's passenger trains and Frisco's E units have in common??

They were named after famous race horses. The CofG's trains were the Nancy Hanks and the Man 'o War.

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Posted by Deggesty on Sunday, September 6, 2009 5:20 PM

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They were named after famous race horses. The CofG's trains were the Nancy Hanks and the Man 'o War.

Mark, you missed one. The last passenger train operated by the Central of Georgia was the Nancy Hanks II. Smile I don't remember the years of operation, but the original Nancy Hanks was operated many years ago, also as an Atlanta-Savannah train. Incidentally, I was able to ride the Man O' War in the early sixties; by then it had only a news butch to provide refreshment, and made only one round trip a day. The Nancy Hanks II kept a grill-lounge until the end, and in its last months also had a dome car; I had a pleasant trip on it down to Savannah in February of 1971 as I was on my way to add the Lakeland-Naples and Tampa-Venice lines to my travels. I was a bit late getting started in adding route-miles to add such exotica as Haines City-Clewiston to my total.

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Posted by narig01 on Monday, September 7, 2009 9:38 PM

WAG. No Dynamic Brakes.   (If in the off chance I'm right. I tend to be an irregular here. So please continue without me).

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Posted by Deggesty on Monday, September 7, 2009 10:11 PM
wanswheel
Mike, the picure of Atlanta Terminal brings back memories of many happy hours I spent there 1959-62 seeing the trains that came in and out.

We are greatly indebted to Mike for the information, particulary the photographs,  that he puts out for us.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, September 8, 2009 6:39 AM

KCSfan, you were the first one under the wire by knowing that they were racehorse names, the common thread.  Mix yourself a tall mint julep and ask the next question.

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Posted by Deggesty on Tuesday, September 8, 2009 11:49 AM

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I don't remember the years of operation, but the original Nancy Hanks was operated many years ago, also as an Atlanta-Savannah train.

Aha! I was looking for something else, and came across the years that the original Nancy Hanks was operated: 1890-91. The same item comments that the train "'was named for the famous trotting horse' that was foaled in the latter 1880's."

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Posted by KCSfan on Wednesday, September 9, 2009 5:34 AM

Quite a number of passenger trains were named after different species of birds but relative few had animal names. In the post-WW2 period what US trains had animal (mammals) names, what railroads operated them and what were their routes?

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, September 9, 2009 10:03 AM

I'll start here:

Gopher/Badger, GN, Minneapolis-Duluth

Wolverine, NYC, Chicago-New York via Detroit

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, September 9, 2009 2:59 PM

Polar Bear, Algoma and Hudson Bay     Winnapeg - Churchill?

Is the Owl a mammal?    NY - Boston, NYNH&H

Pony Express,  UP, C&NW     Chicago - LA

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Posted by wanswheel on Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:26 AM

Antelope (AT&SF) Kansas City to Oklahoma City

Beaver (SP) Oakland to Portland

Man O' War (C of G) Atlanta to Columbus

Nancy Hanks II (C of G) Atlanta to Savannah

Thoroughbred (Monon) Chicago to Louisville

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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:01 PM

Buffalo Day Express (PRR) Washington - Buffalo

Buffalo Limited (NYC) Pittsburgh - Buffalo

Buffalo Mail (DL&W) New York - Buffalo

Sea Lion (PRR/Reading Seashore Lines) New York - Atlantic City

Dolphin (PRR/Reading Seashore Lines) New York - Atlantic City

New England Wolverine (NYC) Boston - Chicago

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Posted by daveklepper on Friday, September 11, 2009 4:20 AM

Not a mammel, but of interest, the Clamdigger, the all-tops NY - Boston, later New Haven - Boston Shore Line route NYNH&H local.

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Posted by KCSfan on Friday, September 11, 2009 2:28 PM

OK, I think it's time to wrap this question up. The score follows:

Paul - 3 trains - Gopher, Badger & Wolverine

Dave - 1 train - Pony Exp ( an Owl is a bird not a mammal and I believe the Polar Bear was not a US train but ran north from Sault Ste. Marie all in Canada)

Mike - 2 trains - Antelope & Beaver (while equine related the Nancy Hanks, Man 'o War and Thoroughbred are not animal species)

I know of two other trains that nobody mentioned; the NYC/CP Toronto-Buffalo Exp and the NYC/P&LE Pittsburg-Buffalo Exp (or maybe it was the Buffalo-Pittsburg Exp)

Al-in Stockton is our winner with 6 trains - Buffalo Day Exp, Buffalo Ltd, Buffalo Mail, Sea Lion, Dolphin & New England Wolverine. Light up your stogie and ask the next question, Al.

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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:44 AM

Name the longest east coast north -south route operated by a passenger train and the trains name. Name the longest west coast north-south route operated by a passenger train and the trains name. and name the longest midwest north south route operated by a passenger train and the trains name?

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Posted by ZephyrOverland on Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:24 PM

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Name the longest east coast north -south route operated by a passenger train and the trains name. Name the longest west coast north-south route operated by a passenger train and the trains name. and name the longest midwest north south route operated by a passenger train and the trains name?

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East Coast - Havana Special - PRR/RFP/ACL/FEC - New York-Key West

West Coast - West Coast - SP - Los Angeles-Portland

Midwest - Twin Star Rocket - RI - Minneapolis-Houston 

 

 

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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, September 12, 2009 4:22 PM

Your question Zephyr Overland

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Posted by ZephyrOverland on Sunday, September 13, 2009 1:59 PM

 In 1946, a section of the Sunshine Special became a through Texas-New York train via PRR, running through St. Louis instead of beginning or ending there.  This was not a first.  Name the train, railroad(s), and the endpoints of another train that operated THROUGH St. Louis instead of beginning or ending there, and predated the New York Sunshine Special service.

Bonus question - Because of the establishment of the above train in question, another railroad began a similar service but it shared only one endpoint with the other train (the other endpoint for this train was near the endpoint of the above train).  This other train did not run through St. Louis, but it did have through cars to and from St. Louis.  Name this train, the railroad(s) and endpoints.

 

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:00 AM

Did not at one time the Texas Eagle or Texas Special operate through to Chicago, with southern points Houston (or Dallas or Fort Worth) and San Antonio (or El Paso), using the GM&O or the Alton northeast of St. Louis and MP and T&P from there?   I presume the Frisco may have tried to compete with a similar train, but have zero idea what its name was or which railroad was used north of St. Louis

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Posted by ZephyrOverland on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:57 PM

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Did not at one time the Texas Eagle or Texas Special operate through to Chicago, with southern points Houston (or Dallas or Fort Worth) and San Antonio (or El Paso), using the GM&O or the Alton northeast of St. Louis and MP and T&P from there?   I presume the Frisco may have tried to compete with a similar train, but have zero idea what its name was or which railroad was used north of St. Louis

 

The Texas Eagle and Texas Special never operated north of St. Louis.  They may have carried through sleepers to and from Chicago, but that's about it.

As for the Frisco, in order to extend their marketing reach to Chicago without actually running through trains there, had the C&EI name their newly established Chicago-St. Louis trains the Frisco Express, Frisco Special and Frisco Limited.  It can be surmised that the Frisco thought they could funnel Chicago traffic through the C&EI.  This occurred when they had control of the Chicago and Eastern Illinois (1902-1913.)

You touched on part of the answer: north of St. Louis the through train operated via the Chicago & Alton.

 

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:37 AM

OK, we have eliminated the Frisco and the Missouri Pacific as contenders for runniing a through train over the Chicago and Alton from St. Louis to Chicago, so that leaves us with the Missouri Kansas Texas, the Katy.  I think their crack train was simply called the Katy Flyer, but my memory isn't perfect.   They may have called it the Texas Katy Flyer or something similar.  And not having access to the Texas and Paciifc, it may have used the Fort Worth and Denver of the Burlington system for part of its southern journey.   Dallas, Fort Worth, and San Antonio are all possibilities for a southern temrinal, and it may have even used Sante Fe trackage to reach Houston.

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Posted by ZephyrOverland on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:18 AM

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OK, we have eliminated the Frisco and the Missouri Pacific as contenders for runniing a through train over the Chicago and Alton from St. Louis to Chicago, so that leaves us with the Missouri Kansas Texas, the Katy.  I think their crack train was simply called the Katy Flyer, but my memory isn't perfect.   They may have called it the Texas Katy Flyer or something similar.  And not having access to the Texas and Paciifc, it may have used the Fort Worth and Denver of the Burlington system for part of its southern journey.   Dallas, Fort Worth, and San Antonio are all possibilities for a southern temrinal, and it may have even used Sante Fe trackage to reach Houston.

 

The Katy is not the answer either.  Its actually a smaller road that didn't go to Texas.

I'll give this another day - at that point I'll reveal the answer.

 

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