It appears to be time for all passenger train's meeting with tresspassers to post in one thread. Her is a start. 2 fatalities.
Two people hit by Amtrak in Biddeford | WGME
I don't think this a good topic to continue. Hitting a vehicle or pedestrian effects the crew-don't kid your self but it does. One engineer I knew hit the bottle after his incident. Even if it is not your fault, it still goes with you.
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Trains hitting pedestrians is uncommon in Germany and much of Europe. Closer to home, I wonder about the incidence rate in Canada. Why?
Kind of an odd/weird/morbid subject to devote a thread to. Just saying.
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No. No-no-no-no.
I thought about opening a thread like this myself a while back, decided it would be in bad taste and would open a can of worms that no-one could close short of a thread locking.
Here is the latest on Downeaster. Maybe getting enough publicity about tresspassers might get attention from Pols
Two people killed on railroad tracks in Biddeford - Portland Press Herald
I don't think this forum has enough pull to get attention for anything.
blue streak 1 Here is the latest on Downeaster. Maybe getting enough publicity about tresspassers might get attention from Pols Two people killed on railroad tracks in Biddeford - Portland Press Herald
That last incident in Biddeford ME sounds like a suicide pact. Just HOW does anyone stop that? What can be done that hasn't been done already? What counseling services can be provided that aren't already available?
charlie hebdoTrains hitting pedestrians is uncommon in Germany and much of Europe. Closer to home, I wonder about the incidence rate in Canada. Why?
What are the suicide rates being reported in German, Europe, Canada vs. the rate in the USA?
I will go out on a limb and feature that 98% of the pedestrian/train deaths are Suicide by Train. The other 2% MIGHT be accidental but likely not.
OLI "Trespasser" Issue thread?
BaltACD charlie hebdo Trains hitting pedestrians is uncommon in Germany and much of Europe. Closer to home, I wonder about the incidence rate in Canada. Why? What are the suicide rates being reported in German, Europe, Canada vs. the rate in the USA? I will go out on a limb and feature that 98% of the pedestrian/train deaths are Suicide by Train. The other 2% MIGHT be accidental but likely not.
charlie hebdo Trains hitting pedestrians is uncommon in Germany and much of Europe. Closer to home, I wonder about the incidence rate in Canada. Why?
US suicide rate 14.2 per 100,000 in 2018,
German rate 12.9 per 100,000 in 2018.
The answer to your speculation concerning deaths of pedestrians hit by trains would be harder to research, but your 98% seems highly exaggerated,not surprisingly.
Looking at Volpe Center data and Wiki, it appears the annual average of pedestrian deaths by trains is about 500. Suicides by rail averages about 219.
zugmann I don't think this forum has enough pull to get attention for anything.
charlie hebdo BaltACD charlie hebdo Trains hitting pedestrians is uncommon in Germany and much of Europe. Closer to home, I wonder about the incidence rate in Canada. Why? What are the suicide rates being reported in German, Europe, Canada vs. the rate in the USA? I will go out on a limb and feature that 98% of the pedestrian/train deaths are Suicide by Train. The other 2% MIGHT be accidental but likely not. US suicide rate 14.2 per 100,000 in 2018, German rate 12.9 per 100,000 in 2018. The answer to your speculation concerning deaths of pedestrians hit by trains would be harder to research, but your 98% seems highly exaggerated,not surprisingly. Looking at Volpe Center data and Wiki, it appears the annual average of pedestrian deaths by trains is about 500. Suicides by rail averages about 219.
There is a stigma and potential financial loss in reporting a death as a suicide - authorities will jump through any number of hoops and tortuous law interpertations so as to not report a pedestrain/train death as a suicide.
BaltACD charlie hebdo BaltACD charlie hebdo Trains hitting pedestrians is uncommon in Germany and much of Europe. Closer to home, I wonder about the incidence rate in Canada. Why? What are the suicide rates being reported in German, Europe, Canada vs. the rate in the USA? I will go out on a limb and feature that 98% of the pedestrian/train deaths are Suicide by Train. The other 2% MIGHT be accidental but likely not. US suicide rate 14.2 per 100,000 in 2018, German rate 12.9 per 100,000 in 2018. The answer to your speculation concerning deaths of pedestrians hit by trains would be harder to research, but your 98% seems highly exaggerated,not surprisingly. Looking at Volpe Center data and Wiki, it appears the annual average of pedestrian deaths by trains is about 500. Suicides by rail averages about 219. There is a stigma and potential financial loss in reporting a death as a suicide - authorities will jump through any number of hoops and tortuous law interpertations so as to not report a pedestrain/train death as a suicide.
The reported suicide rates are certainly lower than reality. But for pedestrian rail deaths, there is actually a financial incentive for the rails to blame most on suicide rather than upgrade safety measures. You are still part of that apparatus. Or next you will once again roll out some old shibboleth arguing against statistics.
Because railways in Europe have few, if any, road-rail crossings and the right of way has large barriers to prevent trespassing. You might be able to do the later in a small country (most of Western Europe would fit inside Texas - TEXAS EUROPE SIZE COMPARISON MAP | Texas vs Europe | misco | Flickr), but North America?
charlie hebdoThe reported suicide rates are certainly lower than reality. But for pedestrian rail deaths, there is actually a financial incentive for the rails to blame most on suicide rather than upgrade safety measures. You are still part of that apparatus. Or next you will once again roll out some old shibboleth arguing against statistics.
I can't argue numbers, but I'm sure the inclusion of cameras in the engines probably helped determine some instances of accident vs. suicide.
Another one in Alabama.
Crescent Train 19 which departed New York (NYP) on 5/9 is currently stopped north of Tuscaloosa (TCL) due to a trespasser incident. We will update when more information becomes available.
This thread is such a weird flex.
zugmann This thread is such a weird flex.
I think it's just flat out morbid.
What questions can be asked that haven't already been asked?
What answers can be given that haven't already been given?
The plain fact of the matter is there have been and always will be some poor souls who think they'll be better off out of this world than in it. As far as help is concerned you can't do any better than to try and meet them half-way.
Not a good subject for discussion.
BEAUSABRE Because railways in Europe have few, if any, road-rail crossings and the right of way has large barriers to prevent trespassing. You might be able to do the later in a small country (most of Western Europe would fit inside Texas - TEXAS EUROPE SIZE COMPARISON MAP | Texas vs Europe | misco | Flickr), but North America?
In Europe there are more level crossings than you believe, even in Germany. But they have better gate protection because they believe in protecting people.
But I suppose the 500 deaths of pedestrians plus many more in vehicles are not worth preventing.
243129 Not a good subject for discussion.
Agreed.
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And how many of them are idiots who go around the gates thinking they can beat the train?
You and others feel a need to disparage these victims. Why?
In the US, we used to have four-quadrant gated crossings same as Europe. I can remember them. They work. Then to save money, two quadrant systems became the rule. Big mistake.
If I recall correctly, four-quadrant crossing gates were manually operated. They were replaced with two-quadrant automatic gates in part to save money and in part to save time for motorists. Two-quadrant gates also eliminated the possibility of somebody being trapped on the crossing.
The gates in Germany are steel tubular and go across all lanes of traffic on both sides of the road, they have a chain link part that unfolds as the steel tube decends to catch anything that might slide under the tubular gate (like a motorcyclist or bicyclist) before they foul the tracks. So the American phobia of being trapped between crossing gates can happen in Germany if your not careful but there are other differences....
The German gates were also not last min timing like the American gates are and the gates descend slower than American gates......the gates are down across the road for far longer than the 10-20 seconds American gates are prior to train arrival, usually 45 seconds on average, sometimes longer. Used to be law in the 1980's that you had to turn your engine off if you were stopped longer than 30 seconds.
Most German freight trains are not as slow as Americans are to clear the crossing and they usually fly across pretty quick. Also, much shorter in length, faster to accelerate from a dead stop as well.
I stopped at a crossing ofthe busy UP West line today. The gates were down 50 seconds before a short freight went past.
charlie hebdo You and others feel a need to disparage these victims. Why? In the US, we used to have four-quadrant gated crossings same as Europe. I can remember them. They work. Then to save money, two quadrant systems became the rule. Big mistake.
Some Quiet Zones have 4 quadrant gates. IA Hwy 17 east of Boone has 4 quadrant gates, but I don't know why.
I do believe they have fallen somewhat out of favor for the reason mentioned. There have been motorists trapped and then struck by the train. Now, the gates are hinged and you can drive through them in such instances, but most people don't know that.
The gates at the IA 17 crossing don't all come down at once. First, the gates on the entrance side of the crossing come down. When they are about halfway down, the exit side gates come down. That should lessen the chance of someone getting trapped.
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