243129 VOLKER LANDWEHR For Amtrak #501 it waits to be seen. I trust NTSB more than a biased ex-engineer.
Yes and you also trusted a picture of the Acela control stand that you gleaned from the internet which was totally inaccurate.
But here you used this again to belittle me as I don't agree with you. As I said before it is your preferred method.
You must be a very fragile person to have your feelings hurt so easily. The message is to be careful of who you trust. The NTSB like it or not is influenced by 'politics'.
243129 243129 VOLKER LANDWEHR For Amtrak #501 it waits to be seen. I trust NTSB more than a biased ex-engineer. Yes and you also trusted a picture of the Acela control stand that you gleaned from the internet which was totally inaccurate. But here you used this again to belittle me as I don't agree with you. As I said before it is your preferred method. You must be a very fragile person to have your feelings hurt so easily. The message is to be careful of who you trust. The NTSB like it or not is influenced by 'politics'.
TO: 243129 I have noticed that many folks on here have tried to be helpful, make suggestions. Part of the process of helping is to offer constructive criticism. You rejected all of that from RR people such as Zugmann and Balt, among others. You rejected everything from non-railroaders such as CSX, Backshop, Volker, myself and others, calling it sniping and then engaging in ad hominem attacks. Your tone was so defensive and dismissive that we all started taking potshots, a very unproductive and silly outcome. You accuse others of not answering your questions, which usually are in the form of demands. You seem to forget that YOU are the one who came on here apparently wanting to spread the word about Amtrak negligence and wondering how to inform/warn a larger audience. When anyone inquired as to specifics of your plan, you refused to provide this, even though you said you do not seek money. When you make preposterous statements about the reasons why Germany's rail lines can handle higher speed, you dismissed the corrections provided by our Deutsche Bahn expert. As an amateur very familiar first-hand with DB and history, I concur with him. You attacked one or two very gentle, older forum members. It goes on and on.
You accuse me and others of running away. Perhaps that is how you spoke with peers and superiors at Amtrak and elsewhere. I have chosen to ignore your demands because discussions with someone as closed off as you appear to be are impossible and a waste of time.
Whatever happened to the OP?
243129Yes and you also trusted a picture of the Acela control stand that you gleaned from the internet which was totally inaccurate.
That happens when using the internet. But at least the throttle was right if I remember videos correctly. I don't trust everything and everybody so I checked ASC-64 videos and the throttle was on the left hand side. That was the question to be answered.
I gave you the chance to correct the wrong photo again, but...........I'm always trying to learn.
243129ut here you used this again to belittle me as I don't agree with you. As I said before it is your preferred method. You must be a very fragile person to have your feelings hurt so easily. The message is to be careful of who you trust. The NTSB like it or not is influenced by 'politics'.
My feelings are not hurt easily but if someone uses this as tactics when he isn't agreed with or runs out of arguments I think it is worth mentioning because it doesn't work.
I usually try to check information from internet and I did with the control desk too. What was of most interest was OK. But you can still correct me.
NTSB needs to be influence by politics as transportation safety is partly a political goal. That the have requested PTC for years is OK, see all the accidents that could have prevented with it.
So yes, I trust them more than you.Regards, Volker
VOLKER LANDWEHRI gave you the chance to correct the wrong photo again, but........... I'm always trying to learn.
The video you posted was minus the explanation of the labels. The original video you posted had the explanations.
VOLKER LANDWEHRMy feelings are not hurt easily but if someone uses this as tactics when he isn't agreed with or runs out of arguments I think it is worth mentioning because it doesn't work.
Where do I run out of arguments? As I said before, you made yourself look bad, not me.
243129 243129 BaltACD 243129 cx500 Being "ordered" is not what was happening, nor is it what we are claiming. Talk to BaltAcd about that . Never learned the finer points of leadership have you? Again the imperious attitude surfaces. Remember that as a dispatcher you sat at a desk not a throne. Did you or did you not post on another thread that your father, who was a superintendent, 'instructed' an engineer to ignore timetable speeds in order to get the train in on time ? Seeing as how you are back Balt I have a question for you. See above.
243129 BaltACD 243129 cx500 Being "ordered" is not what was happening, nor is it what we are claiming. Talk to BaltAcd about that . Never learned the finer points of leadership have you? Again the imperious attitude surfaces. Remember that as a dispatcher you sat at a desk not a throne. Did you or did you not post on another thread that your father, who was a superintendent, 'instructed' an engineer to ignore timetable speeds in order to get the train in on time ?
BaltACD 243129 cx500 Being "ordered" is not what was happening, nor is it what we are claiming. Talk to BaltAcd about that . Never learned the finer points of leadership have you?
243129 cx500 Being "ordered" is not what was happening, nor is it what we are claiming. Talk to BaltAcd about that .
cx500 Being "ordered" is not what was happening, nor is it what we are claiming.
Talk to BaltAcd about that .
Never learned the finer points of leadership have you?
Again the imperious attitude surfaces. Remember that as a dispatcher you sat at a desk not a throne.
Did you or did you not post on another thread that your father, who was a superintendent, 'instructed' an engineer to ignore timetable speeds in order to get the train in on time ?
Seeing as how you are back Balt I have a question for you. See above.
Balt?
Backshop in the other thread, you continually deny that you have no idea of the timeline history of the German railway system.
Where do I say that?
BackshopYou may think the NTSB is influenced by politics but we wonder what your angle is on this. It's not safety or you would have done something about it in your 51 working years.
My "angle" is for a safe efficient railroad with well trained operations employees.
243129 charlie hebdo He's never given any answer to what is wrong or what he proposes other than, "poor vetting, poor training, poor supervision. A(nother) disaster waiting to happen." Poor vetting, poor training, poor supervision are indeed contributory factors to both the #188 and #501 disasters. What are your observations as to the causes? What proposals I have will not be given to you to enhance your minimal knowledge of railroad operations. I have attempted to effect change and will continue to do so. charlie hebdo Judging from some of his comments, it appears what he really wants is to bring back fireman (call them jr. engineers?) and have engineers control their vetting, training and supervision: a "plan" with many flaws, but which most of us could easily envision Bringing the fireman back will not happen. Engineer candidates should be hired from within. An oversight committee composed of veteran operations personnel should be formed to monitor the procedure. You level much criticism at me so here is your chance to shine. Point out these "flaws" that you "easily envision".
charlie hebdo He's never given any answer to what is wrong or what he proposes other than, "poor vetting, poor training, poor supervision. A(nother) disaster waiting to happen."
Poor vetting, poor training, poor supervision are indeed contributory factors to both the #188 and #501 disasters. What are your observations as to the causes?
What proposals I have will not be given to you to enhance your minimal knowledge of railroad operations. I have attempted to effect change and will continue to do so.
charlie hebdo Judging from some of his comments, it appears what he really wants is to bring back fireman (call them jr. engineers?) and have engineers control their vetting, training and supervision: a "plan" with many flaws, but which most of us could easily envision
Bringing the fireman back will not happen. Engineer candidates should be hired from within. An oversight committee composed of veteran operations personnel should be formed to monitor the procedure.
You level much criticism at me so here is your chance to shine. Point out these "flaws" that you "easily envision".
charlie?
charlie hebdo"Hired from within" and "oversight committee of veteran operations personnel" and "monitor the procedure" is simply Newspeak for promoting cabmen, aka, firemen, based on the rcommendations of the senior engineers, who would then supervise them. If you cannot see what can wrong with that, then that's your issue.
So charlie, tell us ...please.
charlie hebdo TO: 243129 I have noticed that many folks on here have tried to be helpful, make suggestions. Part of the process of helping is to offer constructive criticism. You rejected all of that from RR people such as Zugmann and Balt, among others. You rejected everything from non-railroaders such as CSX, Backshop, Volker, myself and others, calling it sniping and then engaging in ad hominem attacks. Your tone was so defensive and dismissive that we all started taking potshots, a very unproductive and silly outcome. You accuse others of not answering your questions, which usually are in the form of demands. You seem to forget that YOU are the one who came on here apparently wanting to spread the word about Amtrak negligence and wondering how to inform/warn a larger audience. When anyone inquired as to specifics of your plan, you refused to provide this, even though you said you do not seek money. When you make preposterous statements about the reasons why Germany's rail lines can handle higher speed, you dismissed the corrections provided by our Deutsche Bahn expert. As an amateur very familiar first-hand with DB and history, I concur with him. You attacked one or two very gentle, older forum members. It goes on and on. You accuse me and others of running away. Perhaps that is how you spoke with peers and superiors at Amtrak and elsewhere. I have chosen to ignore your demands because discussions with someone as closed off as you appear to be are impossible and a waste of time.
All the above for damage control for not being able to qualify your allegations or submit your opinion when asked. You were challenged and like your amigo Balt, you have run when confronted.
243129 charlie hebdo TO: 243129 I have noticed that many folks on here have tried to be helpful, make suggestions. Part of the process of helping is to offer constructive criticism. You rejected all of that from RR people such as Zugmann and Balt, among others. You rejected everything from non-railroaders such as CSX, Backshop, Volker, myself and others, calling it sniping and then engaging in ad hominem attacks. Your tone was so defensive and dismissive that we all started taking potshots, a very unproductive and silly outcome. You accuse others of not answering your questions, which usually are in the form of demands. You seem to forget that YOU are the one who came on here apparently wanting to spread the word about Amtrak negligence and wondering how to inform/warn a larger audience. When anyone inquired as to specifics of your plan, you refused to provide this, even though you said you do not seek money. When you make preposterous statements about the reasons why Germany's rail lines can handle higher speed, you dismissed the corrections provided by our Deutsche Bahn expert. As an amateur very familiar first-hand with DB and history, I concur with him. You attacked one or two very gentle, older forum members. It goes on and on. You accuse me and others of running away. Perhaps that is how you spoke with peers and superiors at Amtrak and elsewhere. I have chosen to ignore your demands because discussions with someone as closed off as you appear to be are impossible and a waste of time. All the above for damage control for not being able to qualify your allegations or submit your opinion when asked. You were challenged and like your amigo Balt, you have run when confronted.
B. S. ALERT. here we go again Time to shut this TROLL down. IMHO.
Now for another dismissive put down.
243129 What does B.S. stand for? It's not an acronym for a dirty word is it ?
What does B.S. stand for? It's not an acronym for a dirty word is it ?
Like you never heard or spoke profanity in a career on the railroad.
243129 What have you contributed to this thread?
What have you contributed to this thread?
He's attempting to return the forum to its one-time status as a place of cordial thought and reasoning, instead of whatever this is (note how I am not using profanity).
243129 Did you used to 'run to the principal's office' in grammar school?
Did you used to 'run to the principal's office' in grammar school?
I'll bet you did...
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SD70DudeLike you never heard or spoke profanity in a career on the railroad.
Yes but I was told (by a moderator) that even acronyms were not allowed.
SD70DudeHe's attempting to return the forum to its one-time status as a place of cordial thought and reasoning, instead of whatever this is (note how I am not using profanity).
Why is he a moderator? I see no contributions from him on this thread.
No I just took a page from Electroliners 'book'. They don't have sarcasm in Canada eh?
He pokes his nose into a thread he does not contribute to and calls for my banning? He has little else going on in his life evidently.
243129 He pokes his nose into a thread he does not contribute to and calls for my banning? He has little else going on in his life evidently.
You obviously have a great deal of things going on...
FYI that's called sarcasm.
SD70Dude 243129 He pokes his nose into a thread he does not contribute to and calls for my banning? He has little else going on in his life evidently. You obviously have a great deal of things going on... FYI that's called sarcasm.
FYI it can't be sarcasm if it is true.
O.K. I've had enough of you. That's not sarcasm it's true.
243129 SD70Dude 243129 He pokes his nose into a thread he does not contribute to and calls for my banning? He has little else going on in his life evidently. You obviously have a great deal of things going on... FYI that's called sarcasm. FYI it can't be sarcasm if it is true.
Ok so it's irony then.
243129 n012944 So you put a price on other people's safety, that is sad..... Your assumption is ridiculous.
n012944 So you put a price on other people's safety, that is sad.....
Your assumption is ridiculous.
Nope, it isn't. It is spot on.
An "expensive model collector"
243129 Backshop I am contributing. I'm pointing out the fallacies of some of your arguments. Where do you do that? Backshop You rail on and on about the shortcomings of Amtrak's hiring, training and supervision policies, yet you never tried to get into a position to change them. I have tried to effect change to no avail. It's all here on this forum. Get yourself informed.
Backshop I am contributing. I'm pointing out the fallacies of some of your arguments.
Where do you do that?
Backshop You rail on and on about the shortcomings of Amtrak's hiring, training and supervision policies, yet you never tried to get into a position to change them.
I have tried to effect change to no avail. It's all here on this forum. Get yourself informed.
Johnny
n012944 243129 n012944 So you put a price on other people's safety, that is sad..... Your assumption is ridiculous. Nope, it isn't. It is spot on.
Show me how it is "spot on".
Deggesty 243129 Backshop I am contributing. I'm pointing out the fallacies of some of your arguments. Where do you do that? Backshop You rail on and on about the shortcomings of Amtrak's hiring, training and supervision policies, yet you never tried to get into a position to change them. I have tried to effect change to no avail. It's all here on this forum. Get yourself informed. Did you try to effect change when you were working?
Did you try to effect change when you were working?
Yes.
n012944 243129 Backshop So 243129, why didn't you ever go into management? Not enough money. So you put a price on other people's safety, that is sad.....
243129 Backshop So 243129, why didn't you ever go into management? Not enough money.
Backshop So 243129, why didn't you ever go into management?
So 243129, why didn't you ever go into management?
Not enough money.
So you put a price on other people's safety, that is sad.....
Proof that your 'assumption' is ridiculous.
Over 6500 posts and 243129 can not accept that his quest is for naught. Just like Don Quixote's tilting at windmills, he keeps trying. Makes me think of the Energizer Bunny. But he is not as cute.
Electroliner 1935 Over 6500 posts and 243129 can not accept that his quest is for naught. Just like Don Quixote's tilting at windmills, he keeps trying. Makes me think of the Energizer Bunny. But he is not as cute.
6500posts??? Where?
My "quest is for naught"? Please explain.
Deggesty 243129 Backshop I am contributing. I'm pointing out the fallacies of some of your arguments. Where do you do that? Backshop You rail on and on about the shortcomings of Amtrak's hiring, training and supervision policies, yet you never tried to get into a position to change them. I have tried to effect change to no avail. It's all here on this forum. Get yourself informed. Did you try to effect change while you were wroking?
Did you try to effect change while you were wroking?
Scroll back 6 posts for the answer
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243129 6500posts??? Where?
Probably the sum of all the posts on all these Amtrak accident threads.
And I for one think that the Energizer bunny would make an excellent Engineer, he would never fall asleep! No need for alerters with good old 'Pink Fuzz' at the throttle!
243129 Electroliner 1935 Over 6500 posts and 243129 can not accept that his quest is for naught. Just like Don Quixote's tilting at windmills, he keeps trying. Makes me think of the Energizer Bunny. But he is not as cute. 6500posts??? Where? My "quest is for naught"? Please explain.
On the PASSENGER PAGE. Under Views, is the number 6744 after the TRAIN 188 TRAGIC ACCIDENT.
Your quest is for naught in my opinion and most of the others trying to tell you what you don't want to, or will not accept.
Electroliner 1935Your quest is for naught in my opinion and most of the others trying to tell you what you don't want to, or will not accept.
He can't help it. He was made that way in the East New Haven shops.
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