In his song "My old School" he talks about taking the Wolverine up to Annadale but I only found 2 towns with that name one in MN and the other one in VA
I cant find a Annadale Michigan but I did find a Annadale Minnisota.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annandale,_Minnesota? Was there a Train called the Wolverine that ran in Minnisota? This seems likely.
The song is about things going on at Bard College in Annadale-on-Hudson, in New York. Nothing to do with Michigan.
First, it's Annandale, not Annadale. Second, the New York Central's Wolverine went from New York to Chicago via the Canadian Southern and Michigan Central.
Backshop First, it's Annandale, not Annadale. Second, the New York Central's Wolverine went from New York to Chicago via the Canadian Southern and Michigan Central.
Johnny
Give Becker & Fagen a break, it's poetic license. I sure hope that the OP never analyzed the lyrics of "Wabash Cannon Ball" or "Orange Blossom Special".
"The Wolverine did stop in Rhinecliff (5.5 miles south of Barrytown) in 1953."
You mean to tell me that New York Central had a train from New York Grand Central dirctly to Upstate Michigan by way of the Hudson?
DeggestyThe closest stop to Annandale on Hudson (the town? village?) is set back from the Hudson a half-mile or more--and has no railroad.
The stops on the River Line for Bard College are, and were, Rhinecliff and Poughkeepsie. To this day the college runs shuttle service to those stations on weekends.
CandOforprogress2 "The Wolverine did stop in Rhinecliff (5.5 miles south of Barrytown) in 1953." You mean to tell me that New York Central had a train from New York Grand Central dirctly to Upstate Michigan by way of the Hudson?
All NYC trains to the Midwest went up along the Hudson as far as Albany.
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CSSHEGEWISCHI sure hope that the OP never analyzed the lyrics of "Wabash Cannon Ball" or "Orange Blossom Special".
Not to mention the Grateful Dead's "Casey Jones"
Candoforprogress2 wrote: You mean to tell me that New York Central had a train from New York Grand Central dirctly to Upstate Michigan by way of the Hudson?
New York Central had many fine passenger trains from Grand Central to Michigan and on to Chicago. The main line basically split at Buffalo- one route south of Lake Erie, one north. The Internet has lots of information on this.
The Wolverine ran through the southern part of the lower peninsula, not "Upstate Michigan." The NYC did have sleeping car service to the northern tip of the lower peninsula. But absolutely nobody in Michigan ever uses the term "Upstate Michigan."
Living Near Buffalo I forgot that the New York Central had a line in Southern Ontario that went from Black Rock to Detroit via London ON and Windsor ON.
Not London...St. Thomas, further South.
Convicted One CSSHEGEWISCH I sure hope that the OP never analyzed the lyrics of "Wabash Cannon Ball" or "Orange Blossom Special". Not to mention the Grateful Dead's "Casey Jones"
CSSHEGEWISCH I sure hope that the OP never analyzed the lyrics of "Wabash Cannon Ball" or "Orange Blossom Special".
Something tells me the OP is well acquainted with the last part of the first line in the lyrics.
Bard College where Danial Fagan was in Annadale on the Hudson
CSAO?
CandOforprogress2 Bard College where Danial Fagan was in Annadale on the Hudson
Freeken east coast town names- Avon Ohio is pronouced Avan in NY and Reading PA is called Redding which is the actual name of a city in Redding CA..
The city in Pennsylvaaia was probably named for Reading in England--and the inhabitants there pronouce it "Redding."
Have you considered Worcester in Massachusetts? It is pronounced "Wooster."
CandOforprogress2 CSAO?
Backshop CandOforprogress2 CSAO? No, CASO. Canada Southern. Nor Conrail Shared Assets Operations.
No, CASO. Canada Southern. Nor Conrail Shared Assets Operations.
I don't think C&O quite understands how amazing the CASO was as a means of reaching lower Michigan from New York via the part of the 'Water Level Route' east of Buffalo.
Or how astounding it was, and is, that the whole of that high-speed railroad has been so effectively extirpated, first from existence and now, increasingly, from memory.
So true. I've posted numerous photo essays and commentaries over the years on Trains, a lot in String Lining, and many stand alone discussions on over on Classic Trains. Outside of yourself and Dave Klepper there are few comments or queries or further discussion.
Outside of a diminishing group of folk that live in St Thomas it has been forgotten. Even it's effective endpoints of Buffalo Union Station and the Michigan Central/NYC station in Detroit became abondoned decrepid eyesores. No one talks about the vitally important and magnificenty engineered CASO line.
I was in St Thomas a couple of years ago and was surprised to see the CASO backshop in use by the railroad museum there. For some reason, it was closed on Sunday (I would think weekends would be busier) and I didn't go in. St Thomas has a nice old main street that looks sorta decrepit now due to the railroad and Ford Motor both leaving.
Hope you waved to Jumbo the elephant who overlooks the city from on high and welcomes all.
Not only the CASO but it was the Canadian backshops and HQ for the Wabash and the Pere Marquette. Their were numerous roundhouses, a long backshop building that had a transfer table serving many stalls and multiple other buildings. They built steam locomotives there as well, for the New York Central, Wabash and Pere Marquette and the Grand Trunk pre CNR.
The CASO assigned Hudsons were outshopped and Class 1 repairs were done to quite a number of them in 1952.
The CNR, CPR and London & Port Stanley were also present.
Quite the place busy busy busy. Things slowed down with the demise of steam but the Central ran two 4-6-0's until 1957 for the St Clair branch.
CNR and CPR steam lasted a bit longer late into '59.
Ford plant shut down its last dedicated assembly line for one model only , the Crown Victoria. A last minute massive order from Saudi Arabia kept it open for some time but the end was nigh. 3 on the tree and standard I believe. Crown Victoria's made for great police cars.
All of South Western Ontario along Lake Erie and all the branches were tore up. The London and Port Stanley is still going, bisecting what once was numerous rail on its path from London to Lake Erie.
I often wonder if someone at Conrail had the foresight to keep the CASO. I think it could have become a CSX-NS shared asset and a very busy line.
Canada Southern became redundant as a Penn Central and Conrail route since it added unnecessary complications to an East Coast-Michigan route. Two sets of customs clearances were involved and the Detroit River Tunnel has some major clearance restrictions. Carfloats were an expensive way to get trilevel auto racks and similar size cars across the Detroit River.
The clearances in the tunnel were improved after its sale. Conrail could have done it.
CandOforprogress2 In his song "My old School" he talks about taking the Wolverine up to Annadale but I only found 2 towns with that name one in MN and the other one in VA I cant find a Annadale Michigan but I did find a Annadale Minnisota.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annandale,_Minnesota? Was there a Train called the Wolverine that ran in Minnisota? This seems likely.
Steve B500 But absolutely nobody in Michigan ever uses the term "Upstate Michigan."
But absolutely nobody in Michigan ever uses the term "Upstate Michigan."
Miningman So true. I've posted numerous photo essays and commentaries over the years on Trains, a lot in String Lining, and many stand alone discussions on over on Classic Trains.
So true. I've posted numerous photo essays and commentaries over the years on Trains, a lot in String Lining, and many stand alone discussions on over on Classic Trains.
Links? I'd like to read those.
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