CMStPnP You need to fire Dr. Bombay and hire a real MD.
You need to fire Dr. Bombay and hire a real MD.
Here I am in the Carolinas and there is no shortage of BBQ and microbeer joints.
CandOforprogress2 Many people that I know who are morbibly obese have a medical reason for it. Dianbetes Cancer liver problems the list goes on and on.
Many people that I know who are morbibly obese have a medical reason for it. Dianbetes Cancer liver problems the list goes on and on.
Niether of those three are a valid medical reason for obesity. You need to fire Dr. Bombay and hire a real MD.
CMStPnP CandOforprogress2 If airlines do that that would certainly be a Americans With Disablity Lawsuit by a number of advocacy orgs. What would be the basis of the lawsuit? Unless the person has a medical reason for being obese............no discrimination is taking place as everyone overweight is being treated equally. Obesity is not a protected class based on any Civil Rights legislation I have read.
CandOforprogress2 If airlines do that that would certainly be a Americans With Disablity Lawsuit by a number of advocacy orgs.
If airlines do that that would certainly be a Americans With Disablity Lawsuit by a number of advocacy orgs.
What would be the basis of the lawsuit? Unless the person has a medical reason for being obese............no discrimination is taking place as everyone overweight is being treated equally. Obesity is not a protected class based on any Civil Rights legislation I have read.
Caution CMStPnP:
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schlimmI think the Iowa State Fair features deep-fried butter sticks.
A Google review of the Iowa State Fair:
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CMStPnPI think one of the grossest things I ever saw in Texas was a deep fried Twinkie at the Texas State Fair...........and people were buying them en masse.
I think the Iowa State Fair features deep-fried butter sticks.
schlimm Medically, obesity is defined as a BMI >30. Among industrialized nations, the US is #1, with 33.9% obese (35% of adults). Southern states tend to have the highest rates: #1 MS; #2 WV; #3 AL; #4 SC;#5 KY; #6 LA; #7 TX; #8 MI; #9 TN; #10 MO, in other words 9 of the 51 states +DC are Southern or border states.
Medically, obesity is defined as a BMI >30. Among industrialized nations, the US is #1, with 33.9% obese (35% of adults). Southern states tend to have the highest rates: #1 MS; #2 WV; #3 AL; #4 SC;#5 KY; #6 LA; #7 TX; #8 MI; #9 TN; #10 MO, in other words 9 of the 51 states +DC are Southern or border states.
Propensity of Southerners to opt for Fried Food. MI interestingly has a lot of relocated Southerners in Eastern Michigan because of the Auto Industry.
I think one of the grossest things I ever saw in Texas was a deep fried Twinkie at the Texas State Fair...........and people were buying them en masse.
The 51 is modifying states + DC, pretty obviously.
Johnny
I'm 6-5 as well but very fortunate to live next to the unsinkable aircraft carrier of DFW Airport. I can get cheap First Class tickets on American Airlines via Internet Purchase going to just about any major city in the United States. I no longer have the need to fly coach because coach with it's new fees and hassle is not that far off from First Class domestic fares any longer.
So I am still happy no matter what they ultimately do. Though I still think we all pay for obeese people in longer waiting lines at the Doctors Office and increased health costs in the United States not to mention the lost productivity if they are of working age as they need from 2-3 hours more sleep a day than in-range weight folks. Overall they are a drag on our GDP.
ndbprrSince I am 6'5" are they also going to charge me because of inadequate leg room or if the idiot in front of me can't recline his seat?
They're already treating you as a freak, with their insulting seat sizes and configurations. Why not withdraw your patronage?
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/03/04/nyregion/ringling-bros-elephants.html?_r=0
BaltACD schlimm Ditto with some circus personnel. The elephants are being retired from Ringling Bros.
schlimm Ditto with some circus personnel.
Ditto with some circus personnel.
The elephants are being retired from Ringling Bros.
Wait for the fat lady to sing.
Airlines charge extra for passengers who are too WIDE, but plenty of very overweight folks still fit into the seats. If too big around, the airline will charge for a belt extender. I used to regularly fly some small commuter airlines, and they weighed every passenger as well as the luggage and carry on stuff, and seated you by weight. The passenger weight was a significant portion of the plane weight and it had to be balanced. Lifting the extra weight in an airplace costs more fuel.
Railroad trains are not materially affected by an extra hundred pounds. Charging extra for obese riders is pointless.
As to improving the national health, give me a break. Obese people are totally aware they are fat already, charging them extra for it will not change their lifestyle, unless flying is ALL they do all day. When the airlines started tacking on fees for everything from pretzels to caryons to window seats, did we stop flying? Seems to me the planes are still full. I think such an improve America plan is mostly self-righteous rationalizing.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
schlimm GERALD L MCFARLANE JR schlimm GERALD L MCFARLANE JR Someone is a little behind on the times here, airlines already make obese people either pay for a second seat, or are charged the same day booking fair for their tickets. Even Southwest Airlines will charge a person for a second seat, I know, I have had to check someones boarding pass and wondered why they had two of them, until I realized why, and was appalled at the gall, but business is business, even if you find it personally objectionable. You realize we aren't talking about a little overweight. We are referring to grossly obese folks, weighing 300+ pounds. Try having one of those seated next to yourself on a long flight. Perhaps you didn't read my entire original post, and unlike most Americans, size is not something I pay attention to, but I do notice when passengers are grossly obese. Even someone that is only 40 - 50 lbs overweight is considered obese by the USCDC, so you have to distinguish between obese and grossly obese, there is a difference. Also, 300+ lbs is not necessarilly obese...there are athletes around that weight, perhaps you meant that they have a large girth of over 50 inches? That would probably be a better way to explain it, when the persons body is the size of two aircraft seats side by side. Most athletes have not used commercial flights as a team for years.
GERALD L MCFARLANE JR schlimm GERALD L MCFARLANE JR Someone is a little behind on the times here, airlines already make obese people either pay for a second seat, or are charged the same day booking fair for their tickets. Even Southwest Airlines will charge a person for a second seat, I know, I have had to check someones boarding pass and wondered why they had two of them, until I realized why, and was appalled at the gall, but business is business, even if you find it personally objectionable. You realize we aren't talking about a little overweight. We are referring to grossly obese folks, weighing 300+ pounds. Try having one of those seated next to yourself on a long flight. Perhaps you didn't read my entire original post, and unlike most Americans, size is not something I pay attention to, but I do notice when passengers are grossly obese. Even someone that is only 40 - 50 lbs overweight is considered obese by the USCDC, so you have to distinguish between obese and grossly obese, there is a difference. Also, 300+ lbs is not necessarilly obese...there are athletes around that weight, perhaps you meant that they have a large girth of over 50 inches? That would probably be a better way to explain it, when the persons body is the size of two aircraft seats side by side.
schlimm GERALD L MCFARLANE JR Someone is a little behind on the times here, airlines already make obese people either pay for a second seat, or are charged the same day booking fair for their tickets. Even Southwest Airlines will charge a person for a second seat, I know, I have had to check someones boarding pass and wondered why they had two of them, until I realized why, and was appalled at the gall, but business is business, even if you find it personally objectionable. You realize we aren't talking about a little overweight. We are referring to grossly obese folks, weighing 300+ pounds. Try having one of those seated next to yourself on a long flight.
GERALD L MCFARLANE JR Someone is a little behind on the times here, airlines already make obese people either pay for a second seat, or are charged the same day booking fair for their tickets. Even Southwest Airlines will charge a person for a second seat, I know, I have had to check someones boarding pass and wondered why they had two of them, until I realized why, and was appalled at the gall, but business is business, even if you find it personally objectionable.
Someone is a little behind on the times here, airlines already make obese people either pay for a second seat, or are charged the same day booking fair for their tickets. Even Southwest Airlines will charge a person for a second seat, I know, I have had to check someones boarding pass and wondered why they had two of them, until I realized why, and was appalled at the gall, but business is business, even if you find it personally objectionable.
You realize we aren't talking about a little overweight. We are referring to grossly obese folks, weighing 300+ pounds. Try having one of those seated next to yourself on a long flight.
Perhaps you didn't read my entire original post, and unlike most Americans, size is not something I pay attention to, but I do notice when passengers are grossly obese. Even someone that is only 40 - 50 lbs overweight is considered obese by the USCDC, so you have to distinguish between obese and grossly obese, there is a difference. Also, 300+ lbs is not necessarilly obese...there are athletes around that weight, perhaps you meant that they have a large girth of over 50 inches? That would probably be a better way to explain it, when the persons body is the size of two aircraft seats side by side.
Most athletes have not used commercial flights as a team for years.
As individuals, they still move about the country.
That "airtrain" idea has already been done, look at the invasion of Nomandy in June of 1944. No stewardesses, though.
This is what I had pictured as an obese person myself...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aczPDGC3f8U
I would be willing to pay $30-50 for a decent meal on Amtrak in the Dining Car. Not sure who else would. As far as the airlines are concerned former American Airlines Chairman Robert Crandall tried a lot when he ran American and even today in retirement he says: "What passengers want and what they are willing to pay for are two different things". In the end "passengers want reliable and cheap transportation which runs counter to many of their other wants in regards to seat comfort and food".
CSSHEGEWISCH Everybody wants the seats and service that the various airlines provided to their passengers prior to de-regulation but nobody seems willing to pay the higher fares needed to cover the extra costs and lost capacity.
Everybody wants the seats and service that the various airlines provided to their passengers prior to de-regulation but nobody seems willing to pay the higher fares needed to cover the extra costs and lost capacity.
The same is true (with some on here at least) in regard to food services on Amtrak. Folks want the food and service as served on the CZ and other fine trains up through the early 1960s, but Amtrak would probably have to charge $30-50 to cover the above-the-rails costs.
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