I remember seeing an A-B-A set of warbonnet F units on a freight train somewhere in the L.A. area in the early 1960s.
I first saw Santa Fe's blue and yellow freight warbonnet scheme in 1972. I guess Santa Fe wanted to keep the lines of the warbonnet alive after Amtrak.
Personally, I like a nice yellowbonnet.
spikejones52002 wrote:I guess a girl in a Mini-Skirt walked by when he was painting the first "a".
Actually, that was the result of a hood door from another locomotive being used to replace the damaged original door. Here's a few more examples of that.
borrowed from atsf.railfan.net
Stix: It was in 1990 that Santa Fe's Mike Haverty had the eight FP45s painted up in what was called the Super Fleet colors. New road units from EMD and GE were delivered in the Warbonnet Super Fleet colors starting in 1990 with the GP60Ms and the B40-8Ws. Other units to wear the new colors were the GP60Bs, C40-8Ws, C44-9Ws, and the SD75Ms.
Diesel data from The Santa Fe Diesel Volume Two: 1960-1995 by Dr. Cinthia Priest.
Ed
wjstix wrote: In the 1990's (maybe late 1980's) ATSF began getting new diesels in the red and silver 'warbonnet' scheme, so they did indeed have some freight engines in warbonnet paint. In fact I believe the last engines delivered to Santa Fe pre-merger, their SD-75's, had the warbonnet on it: http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_sf229.jpghttp://www.somewherewest.com/Route66/Abobridge/SF235.jpg
In the 1990's (maybe late 1980's) ATSF began getting new diesels in the red and silver 'warbonnet' scheme, so they did indeed have some freight engines in warbonnet paint. In fact I believe the last engines delivered to Santa Fe pre-merger, their SD-75's, had the warbonnet on it:
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_sf229.jpg
http://www.somewherewest.com/Route66/Abobridge/SF235.jpg
I heard the BNSF is going to use on the next set of locomotives blue and yellow scheme. Can anyone confirm?
http://www.locophotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=83158
What's wrong with the Scheme of the locomotive? Do you rather have the Warbonet style?
you'll notice that a is not the original....the right hand door (of the two covered by the a) is swiped from another yellowbonnet loco...they figured it's a close enough fit to pass...
-Tim
YoHo1975 wrote: IRONHORSE77 wrote: Warbonnet refers to the design not the color.Chuck I'm pretty sure this is not true.Warbonnet, when refering to the Santa Fe, in the absence of any other distinction refers to the Red and Silver.as for when Santa Fe started using Passenger units for freight... Again, the point is that it wasn't a freight scheme. I fully acknowledge that it happened.
IRONHORSE77 wrote: Warbonnet refers to the design not the color.Chuck
Warbonnet refers to the design not the color.
Chuck
I'm pretty sure this is not true.
Warbonnet, when refering to the Santa Fe, in the absence of any other distinction refers to the Red and Silver.
as for when Santa Fe started using Passenger units for freight... Again, the point is that it wasn't a freight scheme.
I fully acknowledge that it happened.
Are you sure on that statement?
Wyonate wrote:Myself, I wonder what a vise-versa of the orange and black would look like. Domonate black with BNSF and handrails in orange. lol, just tried to picture it in my mind.
It would look like the IHB, see their SD20's, GP38-2's (3801-3802) and older pictures of the SW1500's before they were rebuilt.
Hey, SSW9389, don't be such a nit-picker!
Certainly, the original, classical design was both color and profile. Santa Fe management recognised how popular the design had become and obviously decided to carry over the warbonnet theme into their freight blue-and-yellow color scheme! Just look at the photo on the link at the start of this thread! Do you really think that the yellow curve is just arbitrary? It is so obviously Santa Fe Warbonnet, even if a different color scheme!
From Stan Repp's The Super Chief . . . Train of the Stars page 83, "Dipping a no. 7 brush into puddle of his butcher-pan palette, Knickerbocker rendered the nose of that automobile-like shape, actually the hood of Super-2's own Diesel. The crimson hood had replaced the air-scoop cowls or "eyebrows" of 1 and 1-A and a narrow band of the red color ran the length of both units at floor height suggesting, as Knickerbocker said, "the profile of an Indian head and the trailing feathers of a war bonnet."
Judges we await your decision, was EMC stylist Leland Knickerbocker speaking of design or color or both.
IRONHORSE77 wrote:Warbonnet refers to the design not the color.Chuck
See page 42 Santa Fe Trackside with Bill Gibson written by Lloyd Stagner, "In October 1949 delivery from EMD of 4500 -hp F-7 passenger locomotives began, in the 300LAB-316LAB series. Units in the 306LAB-316LAB group were considered "dual-service" locomotives with a maximum authorized speed of 80 mph. This group was subsequently renumbered 325LAB-335LAB, and were joined by 336LAB-339LAB and two unit 3000-hplocomotives 340LA-344LA in 1953. By their delivery, regular passenger trains with the exception of the Belen-El Paso trains were dieselized and these units worked most of their miles in freight service, supplementing the 200-class F-7 freight locomotives." My point would be you can bank on what Stagner wrote. What are you reading? Indian red warbonnet F7s of the 325 Class started hauling freight in 1953-54.
Later into the mid 1960s as passenger train miles dropped off and new passenger power was delivered more and more passenger F units began to haul freight. In my post above it was noted that the U28CGs, U30CGs and FP45s were used on the Super C, the fastest freight train starting in the late 1960s. The U28CGs and U30CGs were permanently removed from passenger service following the wreck of #24 on February 9, 1969 near Chillicothe, Illinois. Check out Joe McMillan's Route of the Warbonnets for some great photos of red warbonnets in freight service.
spikejones52002 wrote: When A.T.& S.F had passenger service. The red indian warbonnet was exclusively passenger engines.The blue and yellow was never in the warbonnet design. I dare to say that even now Blue and yellow was never in the warbonnet design. Long after passenger service A.T. & S.F. painted their freight engines in both paint schemes
When A.T.& S.F had passenger service.
The red indian warbonnet was exclusively passenger engines.
The blue and yellow was never in the warbonnet design. I dare to say that even now Blue and yellow was never in the warbonnet design. Long after passenger service A.T. & S.F. painted their freight engines in both paint schemes
Which is why I qualified the statement. No units built for freight were painted in the war bonnet.
Also, the GE Superfleet units have junk paint too.
go look at any current picuters of superfleet locos. The GE paint looks horrid pretty much across the board, but the GP60Ms, the SD75s, they still look pretty good.
YoHo I've seen photos of warbonnet Fs pulling the Super C when she was a new train without much traffic. Also U28CGs, U30CGs, and FP45s on the Super C in warbonnet. Your statement is untrue.
YoHo1975 wrote: But the didn't have Red and Silver Warbonnets* pulling freight. When you say "Warbonnet" you mean the red and silver one. *I presume that there were occasions when passenger Fs pulled freight, but no engines were painted in that scheme to pull freight until the superfleet.
But the didn't have Red and Silver Warbonnets* pulling freight.
When you say "Warbonnet" you mean the red and silver one.
*I presume that there were occasions when passenger Fs pulled freight, but no engines were painted in that scheme to pull freight until the superfleet.
i like yellowbonnets....
i mean it'd be nice if BNSF did, but we all know they wont. and for the record, i have no problem with the orange....as long as it LOOKS orange, mind you. not that faded GE paint. no wonder the crash 8s and crash 9 warbonnets look faded and ratty while the oakway SD60s and SD70 series warbonnets still look somewhat fresh. it's the GE paint. i bet the SD70MACs never faded to pink
Your friendly neighborhood CNW fan.
Santa Fe did have F units painted blue and yellow warbonnets pulling freights.
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
blade wrote:after seeing the picture posted lets hope that bnsf railways dosen't go back to that yucky and tastless color scheme,the paint scheme they have on thier eengines is more colorful and pleasing to the eye.
Are you trying to rile people up or are you being honest?
Cause declaring the Yellow and Blue War Bonnet tastless puts us in SUCH a fight.
It's the second best scheme ever right behind the real warbonnet.
And their current schemes are all significantly less cool...unless you're a GN fan.
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