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Posted by MMLDelete on Wednesday, June 10, 2020 5:14 PM

No. Latest posts are at the bottom.

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, June 10, 2020 7:46 AM

Do you have preferences set to 'last post first'?  That produces many comical effects.  Here's a pop quiz: what page number displays before -1?  (Hint: it isn't -2)

Remember the old adage 'to really screw things up requires a computer'.  Well, we shouldn't forget that behind a screwed-up program there is usually a screwed up...

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Posted by MMLDelete on Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:06 PM

I wish they would fix the deal where the links to other pages are all whacked out. I think it happens on Page 5. Or somewhere around there. It has links to 0 and -1, IIRC.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:15 PM

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Interestingly, this facility was apparently broken for months -- broken in a way that would leave you in manly-scent-but-I-like-it-too land without even being able to recover what you had.  For that to be fixed indicates that IT is actively fixing the chronically broken stuff that does not involve advertising money opportunities... a very good sign. 

 

  Oops - Sign  IF CYNACISM WAS A HAND GRENADE.... LaughLaugh   

 

 


 

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, June 9, 2020 4:54 PM

Interestingly, this facility was apparently broken for months -- broken in a way that would leave you in manly-scent-but-I-like-it-too land without even being able to recover what you had.  For that to be fixed indicates that IT is actively fixing the chronically broken stuff that does not involve advertising money opportunities... a very good sign.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, June 9, 2020 4:45 PM

Deggesty

Smile

 
Flintlock76

Well, waddaya know?  It worked!  Cool, huh?

So long "Irish Spring!"  I've been using "Safeguard" lately anyway!  

 

 

You look as though you mean business now.Smile

 

 

I DO.  Too bad you can't see the bayonet!  Wink

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Posted by Deggesty on Tuesday, June 9, 2020 4:26 PM

Smile

Flintlock76

Well, waddaya know?  It worked!  Cool, huh?

So long "Irish Spring!"  I've been using "Safeguard" lately anyway!  

 

You look as though you mean business now.Smile

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, June 9, 2020 4:19 PM

Well, waddaya know?  It worked!  Cool, huh?

So long "Irish Spring!"  I've been using "Safeguard" lately anyway!  

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Posted by MMLDelete on Tuesday, June 9, 2020 12:44 PM

I think you have to click on Edit Profile first, then you'll have the ability to change the avatar.

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Posted by Deggesty on Tuesday, June 9, 2020 11:19 AM

Flintlock76

Hey, I can't figure out how to change an avatar at all, which is why I've stuck with the orange sitting on a bar of "Irish Spring" look all these years!

 

Wayne, click on that orange, look over to the far right to where the orange is, and you should find the place where "avatar change" lives. I think you can figure out what to do next. I figured it out several years back, so a young man such as you ae whould be able to go from there.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, June 9, 2020 11:05 AM

Hey, I can't figure out how to change an avatar at all, which is why I've stuck with the orange sitting on a bar of "Irish Spring" look all these years!

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Posted by zugmann on Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:46 AM

Deggesty
2. Zug, I think I look better in my picture than you do in your picture. You just as well drop out of the contest.

That hurt. 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Deggesty on Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:46 AM

1. Yes, Dean, that is I in the picture. A few years ago, I met KCS Fan in Shreveport. I had told him what hotel I would be staying in; he was waiting for me, and saw me when I walked in and recognized me.

2. Zug, I think I look better in my picture than you do in your picture. You just as well drop out of the contest.Laugh

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Posted by zugmann on Monday, June 8, 2020 11:23 PM

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And I will just figure the photo is really you ...

He's in the running for best looking forum member. 

 

 

 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by MMLDelete on Monday, June 8, 2020 9:42 PM

Deggesty

 

 
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Johnny, how do you pronounce your last name?

I've assumed it was with the accent on the second syllable (ges), and the gg is pronounced like a J. "Duh-Jess'-Tee." Is that correct?

Or is it with the accent on the first syllable, with the gg pronounced hard, as in "go"?

Or none of the above?

Enquiring minds need to know. Smile

My name is Dean Abramson, and 2/3 of humans who see it written first (like if you've filled out a form at a doctor's office) pronounce it, while looking at the form, "Abrahamson." I'm not thin, but people still think I need ham.

 

 

 

How to pronounce it? As one syllable, rhyming with a favorite breakfast food of many. The "ty" on the end is the abbreviation of "the Younger" which was a distinction certain friends in college gave me; the common address they used was simply "Younger." My brother was known to them as "Kindly"--short for "Kindly Old Uncle Tommy Degges," and he was known as "Kindly." The proper abbreviation of my name "t/y."

 

When my immigrant ancestor came to Virginia in 1675, there was no "s" at the end; some time in the first third of the 19th century, the "s" was added; I know of no explanation. My wife's comment about the name was, "If you hear it, you cannot spell it, and if you read it, you cannot pronouce it."

Once, I was talking with a friend who continually said "Diggs"--until I asked him if he ate iggs for breakfast--and he was embarassed. I have heard some other mispronunciations. People see unfamiliar names, and think they know how to pronouce them.

 

Hey, thanks! That's very interesting. Not just about your name, but also what it reinforces about the idea of "one doesn't know what one doesn't know." I'd see your moniker and your photo (you look like the perfect gentleman you seem to be online), and I'd think, There's Johnny DuhJessTee. Ain't the internet great? The Information Superhighway. Oh well. I just never figured you for a one-syllable guy, Mr. Degges!

The quote from your wife is hysterical! Loved that.

Thanks for indulging me. And I will just figure the photo is really you ...

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Posted by Deggesty on Monday, June 8, 2020 8:13 PM

Lithonia Operator

Johnny, how do you pronounce your last name?

I've assumed it was with the accent on the second syllable (ges), and the gg is pronounced like a J. "Duh-Jess'-Tee." Is that correct?

Or is it with the accent on the first syllable, with the gg pronounced hard, as in "go"?

Or none of the above?

Enquiring minds need to know. Smile

My name is Dean Abramson, and 2/3 of humans who see it written first (like if you've filled out a form at a doctor's office) pronounce it, while looking at the form, "Abrahamson." I'm not thin, but people still think I need ham.

 

How to pronounce it? As one syllable, rhyming with a favorite breakfast food of many. The "ty" on the end is the abbreviation of "the Younger" which was a distinction certain friends in college gave me; the common address they used was simply "Younger." My brother was known to them as "Kindly"--short for "Kindly Old Uncle Tommy Degges," and he was known as "Kindly." The proper abbreviation of my name "t/y."

When my immigrant ancestor came to Virginia in 1675, there was no "s" at the end; some time in the first third of the 19th century, the "s" was added; I know of no explanation. My wife's comment about the name was, "If you hear it, you cannot spell it, and if you read it, you cannot pronouce it."

Once, I was talking with a friend who continually said "Diggs"--until I asked him if he ate iggs for breakfast--and he was embarassed. I have heard some other mispronunciations. People see unfamiliar names, and think they know how to pronouce them.

Johnny

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Posted by MMLDelete on Monday, June 8, 2020 6:56 PM

Johnny, how do you pronounce your last name?

I've assumed it was with the accent on the second syllable (ges), and the gg is pronounced like a J. "Duh-Jess'-Tee." Is that correct?

Or is it with the accent on the first syllable, with the gg pronounced hard, as in "go"?

Or none of the above?

Enquiring minds need to know. Smile

My name is Dean Abramson, and 2/3 of humans who see it written first (like if you've filled out a form at a doctor's office) pronounce it, while looking at the form, "Abrahamson." I'm not thin, but people still think I need ham.

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Posted by MMLDelete on Monday, June 8, 2020 3:25 PM

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Posted by Deggesty on Monday, June 8, 2020 2:31 PM

Overmod

 

 
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I'm not famliar with Klemperergate.

 

I am stuck with posting on the iPhone for a while.  The wack combination of autocorrect rules in iOS 13.4.1 does not like it when I try to type Dave Klepper's last name and substitutes 'Klemperer' with the same dreary zeal it injects greengrocer's apostrophes into 'its' and a host of plurals any predictive algorithm from an actual tech company would recognize a quarter-century ago.  What appears to be new in the 'latest and greatest', though, is that it apparently does a periodic spell check (that you can't turn off without crippling text entry in other ways) that 'corrects' you back to what crApple decides is right.  This would not be so bad if it were not so uniformly not right.  And the lack of warning leaves one sandbagged when the result is particularly ridiculous...

 

 

g-mail has come up with pointing  out what it thinks are errors; so far, I am able to send what I know is right (though it does point out some real errors that I have missed when typing).

These systems that think they know better than you (who really know what you mean) are arrogant, apparently designed by arrogant people who believe they know far more than the people who really know what other people's names are.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, June 8, 2020 11:44 AM

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I'm not famliar with Klemperergate.

I am stuck with posting on the iPhone for a while.  The wack combination of autocorrect rules in iOS 13.4.1 does not like it when I try to type Dave Klepper's last name and substitutes 'Klemperer' with the same dreary zeal it injects greengrocer's apostrophes into 'its' and a host of plurals any predictive algorithm from an actual tech company would recognize a quarter-century ago.  What appears to be new in the 'latest and greatest', though, is that it apparently does a periodic spell check (that you can't turn off without crippling text entry in other ways) that 'corrects' you back to what crApple decides is right.  This would not be so bad if it were not so uniformly not right.  And the lack of warning leaves one sandbagged when the result is particularly ridiculous...

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Posted by MMLDelete on Monday, June 8, 2020 7:51 AM

Overmod

 

 
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Correct. 3750 in Strasbourg. 1631 in Altoona.

 You people who raked me over the coals for Klemperer will have a field day with this.

 

 
I'm not famliar with Klemperergate. So my lawyer advises me to plead not-guilty right up front here.
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Posted by SD70Dude on Monday, June 8, 2020 12:17 AM

Overmod
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Correct. 3750 in Strasbourg. 1631 in Altoona.

You people who raked me over the coals for Klemperer will have a field day with this.

We hold you to a higher standard.  He's just trying a little too hard to be Canadian.  

As far as I know, there is still a PB shell on Blomberg B trucks sitting up in Sault Ste Marie.  One of the ex-Rio Grande units, which they converted into a steam generator car and later into a HEP genset for the Ski Train.

CP donated their first SD40 to the Revelstoke Railway Museum, and more recently sent a SD40-2 to Delson (Canadian Railway Museum).  

CN is currently in the process of retiring the Dash-8's, and have already sold a bunch.  The reborn Rock Island bought one of the ex-CNW/UP units, I'm not sure who picked up the rest.  

Greetings from Alberta

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, June 7, 2020 11:52 PM

Backshop
Is that how people are going to be talking about all the diesel models that were never preserved in twenty years?

Large numbers of us were moaning well over 20 years ago, for example over PAs that almost got away and a much wider range of Baldwin's that either did or so nearly did as makes little difference.  There were discussions about SD40s not too long ago, and I suspect there will be about SD40-2s when the time eventually comes... with most of them being converted into some modern kludge 'because of the valuable parts they contain'.  I haven't even worked up the froth about restoring PBs or Erie-builts from pieces that survived amazingly long ... not to mention the Shark booster that still makes me a bit sick to remember.  Supposedly the 'gold' B&O GP50 has a note in its cab to save it for preservation... but wanna bet the same little expediencies that killed CNJ 774, a GS4 with roller rods, any NYC Hudson or B&O EM-1 (or N&W Y6b, although that's an explicitly railfan shame) will reappear at ... oops! just the right time for suspiciously insincere hand-wringing "but the job is done".  Watch it happening right now with dash-8s, and if we aren't careful or lucky, SD80MACs...

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, June 7, 2020 11:41 PM

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Correct. 3750 in Strasbourg. 1631 in Altoona.

You people who raked me over the coals for Klemperer will have a field day with this.

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Posted by MMLDelete on Sunday, June 7, 2020 10:55 PM

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Keep in mind that 3750, the 'historic fabric' K4, is not at the museum 'across the street from Strasburg' but in the RailROADERS Memorial Museum of Pennsylvania, in Altoona

 

That's odd, I just checked the website of the RR Museum of PA in Strasburg, (Ronks actually) and they're showing 3750 as part of the collection.

To my knowledge 1361's the K4s in Altoona.

 

Correct. 3750 in Strasbourg. 1631 in Altoona.

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Posted by Backshop on Sunday, June 7, 2020 5:53 PM

zugmann

 

 
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Yes, whether you're a PRR fanboi or not, a running K4 is that important.

 

Million+ dolalr question - where are you going to run one? 

 

Those engines need to be on a mainline flat out - not bumping and plodding along at 15mph on the Crooked & Weedy Scenic Rail-road. 

 

I agree.  I've said that in the past and gotten shouted down.  Here's another thing that people here won't agree with.  We constantly have people bemoaning all the steam locomotive classes that were never preserved.  Is that how people are going to be talking about all the diesel models that were never preserved in twenty years?

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Posted by SD70Dude on Sunday, June 7, 2020 4:26 PM

From my viewpoint thousands of miles away it seems that a number of good people with good track records are involved with PRR 1361 now.  I'm willing to wait for the end result.  Better to do it right the first time. 

I suspect theirs is far from the only 'under the radar' project that has been disrupted by COVID-19.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, June 7, 2020 9:37 AM

This is the latest on 1361 according to the Wiki, for what it's worth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Railroad_1361#Restoration_efforts  

I will say this, since Bennet Levin's involved the work will  get done.  Maybe not as fast as some would like, but it will  happen.

And as I've said before, personally when I hear of a steam engine restoration project I say to myself "That's nice!" and then forget about it.  I won't get excited about it again until the debut happens.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Saturday, June 6, 2020 10:41 PM

Not to change the subject;      I am mildly curious about the Pennsy K- 4 [#1361] that was removed from its spot at the Horseshoe Curve Location about 25 years back ? 

  There used to be fairly regular reports of its 'progress, or lack there of?

 Last report , I can remember was that its' bits andf pieces had been removed or returned to the area of the Old PRR Shops at Altoona, Pa.  There had been a 'new' building constructed for the purpose of the reconstruction project of #1361 (?)  

I can't remmber than the date of all that, or when it was? 

{ I think, it was around 10 years back?}  Whistling

 

 

 


 

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