Likely very near A Tower at the east end of Argentine Yard. The TR4s were assigned to Argentine for most of their service.
schlimm UPENG95 That definitely is NOT Los Angeles. The L.A. River doesn't curve at any location in the downtown area and the downtown area is the only location where the tracks would be very close. In addition there would be SP/UP tracks on the oppposite side of the river also. Nice photos regardless! Easy to say. So where is it?
UPENG95 That definitely is NOT Los Angeles. The L.A. River doesn't curve at any location in the downtown area and the downtown area is the only location where the tracks would be very close. In addition there would be SP/UP tracks on the oppposite side of the river also. Nice photos regardless!
Easy to say. So where is it?
C&NW, CA&E, MILW, CGW and IC fan
Original ALCO PA six-wheel trucks are impossible to find, so I've been told, so both Doyle and the folks in Texas are doing the best they can.
And as RME says, if they get them running again, who cares?
RME Remaining single PA? You mean Doyle's no longer counts? M636C Not much has been done to it but it has trucks now... Of course, they're the wrong trucks -- visibly the wrong trucks -- but you won't hear me complaining about it if the locomotive operates. I wish them luck on the one being worked on in Texas.
Remaining single PA? You mean Doyle's no longer counts?
M636C Not much has been done to it but it has trucks now...
Of course, they're the wrong trucks -- visibly the wrong trucks -- but you won't hear me complaining about it if the locomotive operates.
I wish them luck on the one being worked on in Texas.
I was replying to a previous post but must have been distracted at the time and didn't copy the post into my reply. I've edited my response to clarify this....
Peter
M636CNot much has been done to it but it has trucks now...
What's the restoration status on the Mexican repatriots (except the NKP one)?
The status of the remaining single PA in the USA is covered in the current Trains magazine. Not much has been done to it but it has trucks now -it came back without them.(edited)
RI 621 was the last DL109 in active service, being retired around 1968.
Santa Fe FanThis is just a new obs on this subject. I've enjoyed all the photos but have not seen any pics or heard any talk of the 51 set being re-engined by EMD. A fate worse than scrapping?
Here's one of 51LAC for you ... from a previous thread in this forum:
The blister is not quite so pronounced on the PA as it was on the earlier Alco passenger carbody - here's Rock Island "Christine"
51L (the 'lead' cab of a nominally 6000-hp locomotive, with 51C being the 'rear' cab and 51A being a B unit ... what? you expect semantic consistency?) was notable for being Alco construction number 75,000. The semantics gets worse: the rear cab (c/n 75002) was originally numbered 51B and was changed to 51C apparently in 2/55 at the time of re-engining.
This is just a new obs on this subject. I've enjoyed all the photos but have not
seen any pics or heard any talk of the 51 set being re-engined by EMD. A fate
worse than scraping?
26L is a passenger F3. For non-AT&SF folks, AT&SF gave the same number to four unit sets, with cabs L (lead) and C, and boosters A and B. Somewhere out there (maybe on the other end of the F-unit string) was another F3 - 26C.
Those are probably F3's or F7's. FT's as built did not have the Farr filter grilles.
A-A-B on the plains...
PA1s and F7s somewhere in California...
A-B adjacent to freight units (FTs?)...
Erie Lackawanna A-A PAs bringin' home the bacon on TOFC - foreshadowing the future on BNSF with ES44C4 units...
At Kent OH on TOFC...
Erie Lackawanna A-A-A on freight..
In the last few years of EL's PAs the ones in the Chicago area were assigned to the Chicago-Marion (OH) freight pool. There are several photos from that era of "borrowed" PAs being used on the Lake Cities as substitute power for the usual E8s. I don't think EL regeared them for freight service. They were hardly ever mixed with other power in an era when EL "lash-ups" could contain just about anything, even pool CRI&P power.
PA's in freight service is not that unusual. I don't believe that I ever saw Erie/EL PA's in passenger service.
As previously requested, here are a few more photos of the Santa Fe PAs that were repatriated back to "home turf" on the Delaware & Hudson to operate as Bluebonnets:
A-A-A near Afton NY...
A-A-A at Lanesboro PA...
A-A-A at Ninevah NY...
Winter in what looks to be perhaps Montreal...
At Albany with a Pennsylvania express box car on the drawbar...
A-A-A-A on freight - in the tradition of ALCO FEFs utilized in dual use on the UP...
Or an ALCO D&H 4-8-4 K-62...
PA on freight nearby on the New Haven...
A-A PAs on freight on the Lehigh Valley...
Helper service on the Pennsy...
And finally, back out West, in another classic paint scheme, doing a grand impersonation of a GS-4 on the Coast Daylight on Santa Susana Pass...
RME BaltACD What was the purpose of the 'plate with a hat' immediately adjacent to the horns on virtually all the ATSF PA pictures? Antenna with ground plane?
BaltACD What was the purpose of the 'plate with a hat' immediately adjacent to the horns on virtually all the ATSF PA pictures?
Antenna with ground plane?
Yep. Added sometime in the late 50's to early 60's.
BaltACDWhat was the purpose of the 'plate with a hat' immediately adjacent to the horns on virtually all the ATSF PA pictures?
What was the purpose of the 'plate with a hat' immediately adjacent to the horns on virtually all the ATSF PA pictures?
kgbw49 ATSF PA 65 top down at Kansas City MO...
ATSF PA 65 top down at Kansas City MO...
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
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daveklepper The GE traction motors in the DC days were less likely to roast than EMD's.
You can say that with a straight face, knowing what happened the first time the DL109s went over Raton?
Street car motors. (I remove some other verbiage since this is nominally a family forum)
Later, yes, I think a 752 was superior to one of EMD's. But still not up to Hexapole grade...
Santa Fe's DL107/DL108 made only the one trip over Raton. The GE 730 "street car" traction motors were replaced by Santa Fe toward the end of WW2 with the much more robust GE 726 traction motors. The GE 726 was the immediate predecessor of the famous GE 752 traction motor.
Your Los Angeles River photo is actually near Argentine Yard in the Kansas City area.
daveklepperThe GE traction motors in the DC days were less likely to roast than EMD's.
That's interesting David, I knew the New Haven ran their ALCO DL-109's "passengers by day, freight by night," but I didn't think they did it with the PA's as well.
It is true the NH did get very good service out of all the ALCO products they bought. Maybe they just understood them better than the other railroads did?
kgbw49 ATSF PA 53 in what looks to be some sort of celebratory version of the Warbonnet...it doesn't appear to be a photoshop job... From another website: This was part of a promotional train painted up for General Electric. In February of 1960, one PA along with a baggage car and three lounge cars were painted gold for GEs "Golden Values" promotion campaign in Southern California. The train ran between Los Angeles, Pasadena, San Bernardino, Fullerton and San Diego. Then the locomotive and the four cars were returned to their normal paint schemes. ATSR freight Alco products along the Los Angeles river... That definitely is NOT Los Angeles. The L.A. River doesn't curve at any location in the downtown area and the downtown area is the only location where the tracks would be very close. In addition there would be SP/UP tracks on the oppposite side of the river also. Nice photos regardless!
ATSF PA 53 in what looks to be some sort of celebratory version of the Warbonnet...it doesn't appear to be a photoshop job...
From another website:
This was part of a promotional train painted up for General Electric. In February of 1960, one PA along with a baggage car and three lounge cars were painted gold for GEs "Golden Values" promotion campaign in Southern California. The train ran between Los Angeles, Pasadena, San Bernardino, Fullerton and San Diego. Then the locomotive and the four cars were returned to their normal paint schemes.
ATSR freight Alco products along the Los Angeles river...
That definitely is NOT Los Angeles. The L.A. River doesn't curve at any location in the downtown area and the downtown area is the only location where the tracks would be very close. In addition there would be SP/UP tracks on the oppposite side of the river also.
Nice photos regardless!
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It's a shame the PA's didn't live up to ALCO's expectations, but wow, did they look good!
ATSF PA 58 at Fort Worth TX...
Tucked behind the Hi-Levels is the Great Dome, making it the SF Chief for sure.
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