Hello all. I love seeing steam locomotives "dress up". Like NKP 765 as C&O 2765. And that got me to thinking what other "dress ups" would people want to see? I'd love to see Pere Marquette 1225 as her planned C&O number 2659 for a excursuon/photo charter. What say you all?
The first to come to mind would be NKP 765 as NKP 779 (Last Steamer built by Lima).
I'm sure there are others I'd like to see, but that would be #1 on my list...
Too bad the smokebox doors aren't interchangable between a GS6 and a GS4, if possible, we could have 4449 masquarding as a GS2 or 3, your'e choice!
Food for thought
Dave
I hesitate to jump on this bandwagon, but I'd be curious to see how SP&S 700 would look in N.P. livery.
If I have an objection at all, it's because of the careless photo reproduction and misidentification that occurs. A book on the B&O prominently displays an engine that is identified as B&O Q-3 2-8-2 4501. Actually, it's SR 4501, painted up for a Henry Fonda movie several years ago. Now there are folks who seem to think B&O Q-3's looked just like SR Ms-1's.
Tom
ACY I hesitate to jump on this bandwagon, but I'd be curious to see how SP&S 700 would look in N.P. livery. If I have an objection at all, it's because of the careless photo reproduction and misidentification that occurs. A book on the B&O prominently displays an engine that is identified as B&O Q-3 2-8-2 4501. Actually, it's SR 4501, painted up for a Henry Fonda movie several years ago. Now there are folks who seem to think B&O Q-3's looked just like SR Ms-1's. Tom
I am not totally sure - but both may have looked the same when new, as I think both were the USRA 'Light Mikado' design dating from WW I.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Who says the have to run?
I'd find it hillarious to see SP 4460 "The Lost Daylight" put in the actual Daylight paint scheme...
The old d & h leased the reading 2102 to pose as one of thier steamers for their centennial. I forget the d & h road number, but even added on elephant ears smoke deflectors.
CSX for their Santa Train one year used UP's 3985 which was painted up and identified as Clinchfield 676.
CSX running steam?!?!!? Wow, thats a first, but times sure have changed, 1309's wheel weren't even allowed to roll on their tracks.
S. Connor CSX running steam?!?!!? Wow, thats a first, but times sure have changed, 1309's wheel weren't even allowed to roll on their tracks.
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I never would have beleived it, then again, it was 22 years ago. Thank you for sharing.....
The Reading T1 posing as a D&H northern was numbered 302. I rode behind it on a two day Hoboken-Binghamton excursion back in the early '70s.
S. ConnorCSX running steam?!?!!? Wow, thats a first, but times sure have changed...
More than you think. For the T1 lovers out there, remember.
And in case anyone wonders about a T1 modified to resemble a D&H prototype:
(Vs. the original:)
Now, who can find a picture of the oversized Dremel tool that Kalmbach presented as the "Model of the Month" prize to the folks who 'kitbashed' D&H 302?
Overmod S. Connor CSX running steam?!?!!? Wow, thats a first, but times sure have changed... More than you think. For the T1 lovers out there, remember.
S. Connor CSX running steam?!?!!? Wow, thats a first, but times sure have changed...
The Chessie Steam Express was done by Chessie System prior to the CSX merger.
OK, I will be the first NAY-SAYER to this idea. BAD BAD BAD! Shame on you! Dress up is for Barbies, not steam locomotives.
I love the SR, but i will never forgive them for bastardizing 2716! Wasnt too fond of the UP as a Clinchfield, and definately didnt like 765 taken out of her proud livery, even to resemble another favorite of mine, the C&O.
Never fails to astonish me why anyone would pull such stunts. If you want a C&O Berkshire, dont mess up an NKP when there are 12 C&O Berskhires dying to be rebuilt. You wanna see one, rebuild one!
That doubly goes for PM 1225!!!! Check the avatar - she better stay in PM trim.... PERIOD! (not that I could do anything to stop it) Not too fond of her being relettered "Polar Express" either, and I hope those days are over. I take this one personally.
I am probably the only railfan out here with this attitude. But I find it degrading and shameful to see such stunts. These arent toys, they are history, heritage, and machines that have earned their right to be as they were made. They were preserved/saved as such, so shall they remain.
And while I am on the , same goes for these Heritage diesels now a days. NKP, Pennsy, etc never had AC Diesel locomotives. If you want to see a heritage livery, resurect a heritage locomotive!!!! Dont paint the first safety cab the rolls by. Thats pretty cheap, and insulting to this railfan.
For all those who served blood, sweat, and tears, and yes.... even died working on a railroad, its pretty perverse to honor them with a fascade of fakery. Even for the benefit of railfans.
Whats next? N&W 611 as Thomas the Tank engine?
What say I? Not on my watch would this EVER happen!
West Coast S Too bad the smokebox doors aren't interchangable between a GS6 and a GS4, if possible, we could have 4449 masquarding as a GS2 or 3, your'e choice! Food for thought Dave, Let's just get 4460 restored. We steam lovers deserve it and so does 4460.
Dave, Let's just get 4460 restored. We steam lovers deserve it and so does 4460.
Overmod S. Connor CSX running steam?!?!!? Wow, thats a first, but times sure have changed... More than you think. For the T1 lovers out there, remember. And in case anyone wonders about a T1 modified to resemble a D&H prototype: (Vs. the original:) Now, who can find a picture of the oversized Dremel tool that Kalmbach presented as the "Model of the Month" prize to the folks wh o 'kitbashed' D&H 302? For anyone who may be interested, The T-1 2100 is sitting in a industrial park in Richland, Wa. I have a few pictures that a friend took that I am free to post. He says that it's looking pretty rough and that the vandals and birds have done a "number" in the cab. If anyone would like to see the pics, my e-mail is maynardsr@comcast.net I don't do facebook or twitter. LONG LIVE THE STEAM LOCOMOTIVE IN ALL OF IT'S FORMS !!!
Now, who can find a picture of the oversized Dremel tool that Kalmbach presented as the "Model of the Month" prize to the folks wh o 'kitbashed' D&H 302? For anyone who may be interested, The T-1 2100 is sitting in a industrial park in Richland, Wa. I have a few pictures that a friend took that I am free to post. He says that it's looking pretty rough and that the vandals and birds have done a "number" in the cab. If anyone would like to see the pics, my e-mail is maynardsr@comcast.net I don't do facebook or twitter. LONG LIVE THE STEAM LOCOMOTIVE IN ALL OF IT'S FORMS !!!
STEAMEISTER For anyone who may be interested, The T-1 2100 is sitting in a industrial park in Richland, Wa. I have a few pictures that a friend took that I am free to post.
Start a new thread -- "create a new discussion topic" in brave-new-world-IT-speak -- with a name like 'T1 2100's current state' and post the pictures there. While it could be said that the current 'Ferroequus' scheme is a 'relettering scheme' for the T1, the point of your post would be to show the locomotive's condition, not so much to comment on its renaming. (And you'll probably get more readers and comments than if the thread drifts into 2100-as-left-by-the-bankers territory...)
S. Connor Who says the have to run? I'd find it hillarious to see SP 4460 "The Lost Daylight" put in the actual Daylight paint scheme... How about SP 4460 done up as Western Pacific 484? Gotta love any locomotive with the same number as its wheel arrangement! As-delivered, the WP GS-64s did not have elephant ears. And why not restore her to steam? Calling Mr. Buffett... Ted Benson
How about SP 4460 done up as Western Pacific 484? Gotta love any locomotive with the same number as its wheel arrangement! As-delivered, the WP GS-64s did not have elephant ears. And why not restore her to steam? Calling Mr. Buffett...
Ted Benson
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Speaking of GS4s, the caption for Alex Mayes' shot of SP 4449 in the "Locomotive Lights" photo contest needs a small correction. The 4449 was delivered with a single-reflector Mars oscillating headlight, and was among a number of GS4s and 5's to be retrofitted with the Mars Company's updated twin sealed-beam signal light in the early 1950s. Finally, in 2012, the original single-reflector Mars light was restored, taking the locomotive back to her as-delivered configuration.
Leave it to Doyle and the 4449 crew to do things right!
J. Fred Rivethead .... Leave it to Doyle and the 4449 crew to do things right! Ted Benson
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PM Railfan And while I am on the , same goes for these Heritage diesels now a days. NKP, Pennsy, etc never had AC Diesel locomotives. If you want to see a heritage livery, resurect a heritage locomotive!!!! Dont paint the first safety cab the rolls by. Thats pretty cheap, and insulting to this railfan. For all those who served blood, sweat, and tears, and yes.... even died working on a railroad, its pretty perverse to honor them with a fascade of fakery. Even for the benefit of railfans. What say I? Not on my watch would this EVER happen!
Based on your statement, you would strongly oppose what Doyle McCormack did with his PA1 and RSD5. Furthermore, the UP and NS Heritage fleets have collectively covered a lot more railroad than all of the steam excursions and have also generated a fair amount of favorable publicity.
I understand completely where youre coming from. I said the 1225 because its my favoite locomotive and I love seeing her get attention. You don't need to get so defensive. Its all just for fun mate.
That being said I think it's a bit cheaper to repaint the 1225 for a summer than it would to restore a kanawha. And wouldn't using her planned number be part of preserving her history?
Captain - Please do not take my post as being "defensive". In any forum where only text is conveyed, and not genuflection or emotion... its hard to tell what real emotion is behind the text. My appologies.
Being that ANYTHING Pere Marquette is my favorite, i do take offense to such projects. Especially in the area of 1225. Shes been through enough already! Also, Im the only one in this thread that seems to be against such acts as "renumbering" or "relettering". So I took it upon myself to speak a little louder so i can be heard above the majority. That was not anger, but a very strong protest.
Im old fashioned. I, like others, prefer to keep some things in original form. Thus why the 'heritage diesels' make no sense to me. Id rather see a GG1 restored in Pennsy striping, than a modern safety cab repainted (which are hideous looking things anyways). If you were faced with the same question, who wouldnt want that?
Ofcourse its cheaper to repaint than restore. Thats a given, and agree 100%. But if your in that industry anyway.... you better have money to begin with! It just rubs against the grain to see 765, or 1225, or any other loco that has earned its place in this world, treated in such a manner. As if it was a billboard or something, changing display at the whim of a humans will.
To me, the best example i can think of would be taking a US Sherman tank, and painting it to resemble a Nazi Tiger tank, just because someone was too lazy to restore a real Tiger. Think of how a WWII vet would feel about that, and thats how "I" feel about repainting locos. Very adament!
Again, my apologies for sounding brash, but I am dead set AGAINST it. And would stop it from ever happening if i could.
HegeWisch - your right, I would oppose Doyle on his plans. But as said above.... nothing i can do to stop it. Except voice "my opinion".
If I could ever get the opportunity to meet Doyle, I would certainly mention it to him. Pretty sure he wouldnt even flinch. Rightfully so, they are "his" locos, not mine. On the flip side of that, I do not have to look at them, nor ride behind them. Id be all over 4449 though. I wouldnt condem Doyle for it. But i would not praise him for it either!
I can garauntee, I wouldnt be the first railfan he has had to deal with. Doyle is an old railroader..... he has a thick hide.
At least I appreciate your humor.
But NKP765 forever, and for that matter PM 1225.
Now diesels - thats a different story maybe because I like the Nickel Plate Bluebird and NKP8100. Look I think a lot more could have been done to preserve local flavor after mergers. With a new locomotive from the factory its not like stealing somone elses identity.
I have an excursion with PM 1225 this March. Want me to see about renumbering her? LOL
I was one of the PM 1225 members in the 1970s when we were starting to restore the engine. Member no. 069 - well the berkshire was lettered for the C&O this was her working dress. A legitimate locomotive owned by C&O in professional work service. When we restored the 1225 we had beautiful glossy builders photos of it new and couldn't resist the exotic renaming of the locomotive for Pere Marquette.
I for one think the most bastardized locomotive in the world - and it looks it is the Burlington 2-8-2 running on the Grand Canyon RR. Aside for a selection of tourists I don't think any railroader can look at this "kitbash" without gaging! Yah its running and I am glad it smells like "french fries" because of the vedgtable oil it burns but this engine is surely "Politically Correct California Green" or maybe a touch of Hollywood. Sure am hoping Western Maryland doesn't try this crap like they did with the Michigan steam. It is what it is guys and everyone knows a C&O is a C&O and not WM.
The PM 1225 has the right by history to be lettered for either railroad and this is HISTORICALLY CORRECT!
Dr. D
Dr D I for one think the most bastardized locomotive in the world - and it looks it is the Burlington 2-8-2 running on the Grand Canyon RR. Aside for a selection of tourists I don't think any railroader can look at this "kitbash" without gaging! Yah its running and I am glad it smells like "french fries" because of the vedgtable oil it burns but this engine is surely "Politically Correct California Green" or maybe a touch of Hollywood. Dr. D
I for one think the most bastardized locomotive in the world - and it looks it is the Burlington 2-8-2 running on the Grand Canyon RR. Aside for a selection of tourists I don't think any railroader can look at this "kitbash" without gaging! Yah its running and I am glad it smells like "french fries" because of the vedgtable oil it burns but this engine is surely "Politically Correct California Green" or maybe a touch of Hollywood.
Why are you blaming California and Hollywood for a steam locomotive that is based and run in Arizona?
I stand corrected!
Its just that Hollywood is the home of movie cartoons and cartoon like creations. And that sometimes it is Hollywood that letters the engines for the wrong railroad for the movies and then this gets into history. Southern Railroad cannot pass for Baltimore & Ohio except with Robert Redford in the script. Then eveyone is confused. And I don't want one single steam film shot left out because they don't have the historically correct locomotive either!
Its just that California sometimes acts almost its own country with unique and liberal standards about what is acceptable to them - particularly when it come to air polution.
It's just my opinion! Some folks like to blame CANADA - but that seems a long stretch in this case! California was just handier in reflections about the Grand Canyon! Guess we should blame ARIZONA for all that mischief!
After all, don't we got to blame someone?
Doc
What constitutes historically accurate? The Museum of Science & Industry in Chicago has NYC&HR 999 in its collection, although the 86" drivers for which it was noted were long gone by the time it was acquired. Does this mean that MSI was sold a bill of goods?
Southern 4501 once portrayed B&O 4501 for a movie, not too much of a stretch in appearance since both were USRA 2-8-2's.
I don't expect absolute accuracy when I'm watching a movie or television. I do expect a decent plot line and good acting. My wife knows that I'm reasonably knowledgable about location when railroads are involved and we treat it as a source of minor amusement comparing reality with the plot line. We also don't let any inaccuracies get in the way of our enjoyment of the show.
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