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Posted by Datafever on Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:47 AM
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Posted by edblysard on Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:43 AM
Thought I would rate this thread, just because of the sheer volume of great photos...Cool [8D]

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Posted by pedrop on Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:37 AM

 CSSHEGEWISCH wrote:
It may also not be assigned to meter-gauge trackage.
Yes, all brazilian RS3, RSC3, FA1 and PA2 are broad gauge. Only the hybrid Alco /GE units are meter gauge.

 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:15 AM

 Murphy Siding wrote:
     Why doesn't the RSC3 have *extra* axles?  Does it already have a low enough axle loading for running in Brazil?

The RSC3 already has an idler axle (A1A-A1A) so extra axles would probably make it too slippery.  It may also not be assigned to meter-gauge trackage.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:22 PM
     Why doesn't the RSC3 have *extra* axles?  Does it already have a low enough axle loading for running in Brazil?

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Posted by pedrop on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 5:21 PM

The only RSC3 in operation condition in Brazil. Here we see it being moved by truck to EFC, where it is working now as a MOW loco in the construction of Norte e Sul line.

 

 

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Posted by Datafever on Monday, January 8, 2007 6:53 PM
Keep up the excellent work!  Nice photos.  I've really enjoyed learning about Brazilian operations.Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by pedrop on Monday, January 8, 2007 6:03 PM

MRS 3841 passing by Sebastiao Lacerda station. Photo from my friend Gutierrez Lhamas.

 

 

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Posted by pedrop on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 4:54 PM

Here we see two ex- ATSF C30-7 units on FCA broad gauge lines in Sao Paulo state

 

 

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Posted by pedrop on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 4:51 PM

Look how much space we have between a  BB40-2 and a BB40T-2.Big Smile [:D]

 

 

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Posted by pedrop on Tuesday, January 2, 2007 12:50 PM

Here we see at view of DDM45 859 helping BB40-9W 1249 with that big train.

 

 

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Posted by pedrop on Tuesday, January 2, 2007 12:48 PM

A rear view of EFVM 1249....

 

 

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Posted by pedrop on Tuesday, January 2, 2007 12:27 PM

 

Today I met this train crossing the yard here...EFVM 1249 is one of the newest BB40-9W that joined to EFVM fleet.

 

 

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Posted by pedrop on Saturday, December 30, 2006 7:12 PM
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Hi Pedro,

is the Serra-do-Tigres-railroad the Line that leads from Curitiba to the port of Paranagua?

 And do you know anything about the actual state of the famous Serra Inclines (old and new, trains pulled by ropes) between Sao Paulo and Santos. AFAIK, the old Serra Incline has been converted to rack-and-cog-system with broad-gauge.

Hi martin.knoepfel,

Serra do Tigre is at FCA line that connects the states of Minas Gerais and Goias. That line is used to transport soybean. The line that links Curitiba to Paranagua belongs to ALL  network, in the state of Parana, in the soulth.

The old cog line between Santos and Paranapiacaba is out off service since 1990´s because an old bridge is in bad condition. That line is preserved to steam operation, but the site there have no money to fix the bridge for while. MRS has a modern cog line there two, the new one. It is in plenty operation. It uses Hitachi cog locomotives there, as you can see here. I will post more pictures of that line soon.

 

Pedro 

 

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Posted by JSGreen on Saturday, December 30, 2006 4:27 PM
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Just the right size for a couple lawn chairs.

....and a cooler and grill....if you do it on the front porch, you cant call it Tailgating, can you?  

Would it be a Hood Party?  (Or Bonnet party, for our cousins across the pond?)

 

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Posted by RR Redneck on Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:13 PM
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 edblysard wrote:

Just to help Pedro out...by the way, that is a photo he sent me, so you can see what he is talking about.

 

    Now there's a porch!  Is the B+B set-up to reduce the axle loading on lighter track?

Just the right size for a couple lawn chairs.

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Posted by martin.knoepfel on Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:13 AM

Hi Pedro,

is the Serra-do-Tigres-railroad the Line that leads from Curitiba to the port of Paranagua?

 And do you know anything about the actual state of the famous Serra Inclines (old and new, trains pulled by ropes) between Sao Paulo and Santos. AFAIK, the old Serra Incline has been converted to rack-and-cog-system with broad-gauge.

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Posted by pedrop on Friday, December 29, 2006 3:34 PM

Here we see a view of the huge Brucutu mine, at Barao de Cocais. Note the train loading. This mine accept locotrol with 320 cars. In this picture the mining complex wasn´t finished, but today is complete.

picture from the Estado de Minas newspaper.

 

 

 

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Posted by pedrop on Friday, December 29, 2006 3:25 PM

Here is a picture of old Caue mine, the oldest mine of CVRD. CVRD stopped the mining process there, but there are another two mines at the sides: Mina do Meio and Conceicao. 60 years ago this deep pit was a high and beautiful mountainSad [:(]

 

Picture from my friend Giovani carvalho 

 

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Posted by pedrop on Friday, December 29, 2006 3:21 PM

 Datafever wrote:
Keep the pictures coming, pedrop! 

 

Hi datafever, thanks for the good words.Smile [:)]

Here is a picture of the deep pit of Socoimex iron ore mine. Note the EFVM viaduct at the background. The passenger train also passes there. Today the pit is much deeper.Shock [:O]

 

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Posted by Datafever on Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:03 PM
Keep the pictures coming, pedrop!  Not only are you doing a great job of educating us and showing us what things are like, but you also have a wealth of knowledge about the operating procedures and facts.  Thumbs Up [tup]  Yeah!! [yeah]
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Posted by pedrop on Thursday, December 28, 2006 6:48 PM

PRSX 3625 at Rio de Janeiro port.

 

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Posted by pedrop on Thursday, December 28, 2006 6:44 PM

Today 4 PRSX C36-7 locos arrived at Rio de Janeiro port. They came to MRSL. Nice to see more canadian lcos in my areaBig Smile [:D]

 

 

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Posted by pedrop on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:41 PM

 JSGreen wrote:
Bow [bow]Pedro...I would like to add my vote of thanks for posting the cool photos and videos...and sharing information about the railroads in Brazil!Big Smile [:D]

Hi JSGreen,

 

It´s a pleasure to me share information about railroads here in Brazil. See an article about BB36-7 below. I think it was published by Diesel Era...

 

 

 

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Posted by pedrop on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:28 PM

Hi martin.knoepfel ,

Here is picture showing a close up on the D truck used by DDM45´s

 

 

Also, see the article about DDM45´s 

 

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Posted by JSGreen on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:20 PM
Bow [bow]Pedro...I would like to add my vote of thanks for posting the cool photos and videos...and sharing information about the railroads in Brazil!Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by pedrop on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:14 PM

 martin.knoepfel wrote:
Other question. If I understood you correctly, the engines with BB + BB-arrangement have four trucks with one pivot each. But what do you do with the D+D-units? Do they have radially steerable axles on the end of each truck. Otherwise, the rigid wheelbase seems to be quite long.

The photo below shows a close up on the pivoted area of BB+BB trucks. Also see the next photo showing a D truck.The D trucks have a big rigid wheelbase as you said here, but it isn´t a problem to EFVM because that railroad have very good curve radius, with more than 500 meters. But the DDM45 can´t run anywhere. FCA uses some DDM45 rented from EFVM, but just in some areas where the radius of the curves accept them.

 

 

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Posted by pedrop on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 3:57 PM
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So does the loading structure move back and forth (both with and against the direction of the train's movement) in order to accommodate the inconsistent flow of materials?  Or does it only tend to move in only one direction during the loading process?

I will have to say that I am impressed that a train can be loaded in 90 minutes. 

 

Yes, that structure moves back and forth to adjust the ore inside the car. At Carajas mines the cars are loaded in just 10 seconds or less. They have huge silos there with two bay loading the car at a time. I have a video album in the link below. Soon I will add a video there showing a train being loaded at carajas mine. EFVM also can load a car faster than MRS, but not so fast like EFC (Carjas)

http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p41/pedrop_album/ 

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Posted by Datafever on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 3:19 PM
 pedrop wrote:

The train moves at 5 km per hour during the loading process and that structure at the side of the train also moves together with the train, so to load a car takes less than a minute. The train uses to have 138 cars, so it takes one and a half hour to load an entire train. Since the loading processe is done in a line side to mainline as you can see in the picture, it´s very fast to load a train.  there.

So does the loading structure move back and forth (both with and against the direction of the train's movement) in order to accommodate the inconsistent flow of materials?  Or does it only tend to move in only one direction during the loading process?

I will have to say that I am impressed that a train can be loaded in 90 minutes. 

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Posted by martin.knoepfel on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 2:57 PM
Other question. If I understood you correctly, the engines with BB + BB-arrangement have four trucks with one pivot each. But what do you do with the D+D-units? Do they have radially steerable axles on the end of each truck. Otherwise, the rigid wheelbase seems to be quite long.

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