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Trackside with Erik and Mike, Vol. 60

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Trackside with Erik and Mike, Vol. 60
Posted by Bergie on Monday, November 13, 2006 2:32 PM

I just posted the latest installment of Trackside with Erik and Mike in our new section within the Railroad Reference area of TrainsMag.com.

Read Trackside with Erik and Mike Volume 60

Voting for Trackside with Erik and Mike now occures at the top of the Trackside with Erik and Mike section. Click here to vote.

Please add your comments regarding this week's photos here.

Thanks, Erik

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, November 13, 2006 2:42 PM

Well, Erik, in spite of the fact that my daughter and son-in-law also graduated from Bradley, and the fact that your shot is probably more scenic, I have to go with Mike's, because it appears to be more railroady.  Somehow protrays more action, even after one has enlarged yours.  Sorry!

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Posted by Datafever on Monday, November 13, 2006 2:53 PM
Two very good shots.  I would be pleased to have either one of them gracing my 2007 calendar.  Erik, you had the bad luck of getting the sun on the wrong side.  If you could have pulled the sun over to your side of the train, I'd go with your shot.  But Mike just has it all going for him this time (well, except for the overpass).  Mike, my vote is all yours!  But you come in a really close second, Erik.
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Posted by cherokee woman on Monday, November 13, 2006 3:11 PM
Well, Erik & Mike, you both got great shots!  But, I had to go with Mike's this time.
I liked seeing two trains, side by side, in the photo. 
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Posted by jjlamkin on Monday, November 13, 2006 3:34 PM

Sorry Mike, I had to go with Erik's this time. Living right near Peoria, the Iowa Interstate is always visable on my drive home along their yard in Peoria. Also I like the Illinois River in the background. This is the line I have operated my Fairmont motorcar (speeder) C&O M1171 on for the Chillicothe Corn Fest last year.

Everyone stay safe,

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Posted by PBenham on Monday, November 13, 2006 4:00 PM
I have had to dig out my trusty Vermont quarter to settle this one. The side by side UP and LLPX shot is, well, a bit too tight.
The IAIS shot though is the kind of shot that I can't get enough of. The chance to catch a train when out on the road is always a welcome break, and to have scored on a regional or a short line is what put this shot over the top. (That and my Vermont quarter!)
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Posted by blhanel on Monday, November 13, 2006 4:35 PM

Weeellll, since I happen to have a shot of that very same IAIS engine in my collection, taken near Homestead, IA a year ago,

http://blhanel.rrpicturearchives.net/pictures/6832/IowaInterstate1.jpg

you can guess where my vote went...

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Posted by Modelcar on Monday, November 13, 2006 4:51 PM

....This week I choose Mike's shot....Only reason is it contains more "railroad" stuff.  The two photos to me seem equal in quality.  One comment I might make: Eric's shot has the train in shadow...{except the front}.

Wonder why the ditch lights are not lit on the right hand train.  Thought all trains were required to have them turned on.

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Posted by LVJJJ on Monday, November 13, 2006 5:16 PM
Well, they're both great, but I'm going with Erik's cause I like the locomotive number board's number  better (717).  Larry In Blaine, any body need some rain?  you can have ours.
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Posted by CopCarSS on Monday, November 13, 2006 5:21 PM

This was a toughy for me this week. I'll preface by saying that I like both shots very much. I've tried to list my thoughts on each shot below, and I'll reveal my vote at the end.

Mike's shot: Well, I'm always a fan of a head on telephoto, and this one is no exception. The fact that you bagged two trains for the price of one in a very natural position (e.g. you didn't force the perspective just to get two trains in the shot) is a huge plus. The lighting is nice, and as you mentioned the shadows are just cooperative enough so as not to wreck the shot. Using the bridge to frame the shot adds to the image, too. The only part I don't like is the dead space on the left side of the image. To me it throws off the composition. It's not bad, but I would've liked to see the composition shifted a little to the right, or this shot cropped a bit on the left side. Could be a personal taste, thing, though.

Erik's shot: This is the type of wedge shot I like. The train disappears into the background rather than being abruptly cut off by the edge of the frame. That always make for a more "harmonious" shot, IMHO (I think it better portrays the train in it's environment). There's some dead space in this shot, too, this time on the right side. However, I think the composition works for two reasons. 1) The train is moving into the shot. In any type of action picture, whether it be sports, auto racing, or railfanning it usually works better to show where your subject is going and not where he, she or it has been. This shot is no exception. Additionally, because we're moving into the winter months, the trees are bare and we get a good glimpse of the river. I think it's huge addition to the shot. What I don't like is the angle of the sun. I can understand it's a grab shot while taken on a trip that had other ultimate intentions rather than railfanning. Additionally, this is the IAIS. It's not like shooting the UP in Nebraska where one can work most angles at some point during the day because there's usually a train in either direction. Still, it does detract from the shot a bit.

In the end, it was a very hard vote. I looked for a long time at both shots evaluating the good and the bad. In the end, my eye forgave the lighting of Erik's shot a little more than the dead space of Mike's. Additionally, I just really like the addition of the river to Erik's shot. It really was a tough decision, and this was getting really nit-picky, though. Great shots guys, and thanks for sharing!

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Posted by Robertdale on Monday, November 13, 2006 5:56 PM
I had to go with Erik's photo this week. Living just south of the former Rock Island mainline here in Iowa, I get to see the Iowa Interstate on a semi-regular basis. It is very nice to see it grace your voting page. It is also a very nice change from the Big carriers that you usually feature. Thanks for the great photo's both of you and please keep up the good work.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 13, 2006 6:23 PM
I had to go with the UP main and the side convergence.. the Angle and both trains side by side active just seemed the better overall photo. Maybe had there been more lake viewable (not your fault reall) I might have gone the lake/riverside shot. Still both shots extremely clear and sharp.
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Posted by spokyone on Monday, November 13, 2006 6:26 PM

Eric

 Illinois river in the background always gets my vote. But I also like catching the indications lit on Mike's shot.

Go Eric

 

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Posted by da Milwaukee beerNut on Monday, November 13, 2006 6:28 PM
2 Pair * 6's and 2's trumps a pair of 7's. Eric - your naked trees say COLD. Not quite ready for that yet.

Mike's Mitchell throat shot is exceptionally clear - even the 1/4 mile marker on the left side is readable. The loopy 6's on the SD70M contrast with the uniform LLPX digits. And Mike got his GP38 with the door open - somethin I'm sure the IAIS boys don't want to try in November!
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Posted by gemotor on Monday, November 13, 2006 6:57 PM
Ah yes, trains in the landscape. It's Erik's IAIS shot for me this time. So far, I'm in the minority, but . . . I like what I like. Classy paint job, classy (Rock Island) logo on the nose, nice contrasty photo. I don't mind the shady side at all, it just adds to the blackness of those GP38-2s. Trees and river and a train in the approaching winter, so very nice. Thanks, Erik.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 13, 2006 7:20 PM
I'll have to go with the side by side because about 12 years ago I was train watching at the Lawrence Mass. yard of the Guilford (B&M) when I decided to go to the Merrimac St. side of the yard when I was going over the bridge and saw 3 North bound freights running side by side with each other-3 abreast. What it must have been was a through freight on the Main throtteling up , a second Northbound wating for the through train to clear so he could take the main next and the other was putting out that nights work on the siding to be picked up on the way south by the night job. But alas no camera ,no proof but I will never forget that sight as long as I live . To see the two side by side brings back a good picture.
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Posted by jgfuller on Monday, November 13, 2006 7:23 PM
Back in the mid-70s, I was Trainmaster at Peoria ... the track wasn't in quite as good shape then as it is now. But I am pleased that the line has survived. Good ol' Subdivision 3A!

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Posted by lhtalbot on Monday, November 13, 2006 7:24 PM

Welcome back!

Wow, this is a tough one. At first I thought it was Mikes vs another wedgie.

But as you have repeatedly pleaded.....look at the enlarged version. Erik's is a great shot. I try to judge first by content, then include the narritive. When you combine both, it of course tells more story, & I love that part. Having had those same feelings when "stalking" trains, it's easy to get into the picture. I always vote before I read the comments or check the totals.  It's great seeing another line, & the scenery is beautiful. I guess the tie buster was the 2 trains. Mike got my vote.

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Posted by Rocket Man on Monday, November 13, 2006 7:40 PM
What is a railfan and "Trackside" regular to do?! Both great shots in their own ways. Both had their detractors (Can you have an action railroad photo without any???) Since my view is that this is a photographic feature as opposed to a flag loyalty feature, my vote goes to Mike for more visual interest.

Now that the photographic part is out of the way...

Erik, I've said it before and I'm saying it again... You da man!
Any photo that features Iowa or the Rock Island (even if it is just the good old beaver pelt in new colors) is a winner. Is there any better subject matter??? I think not!

Once again, I applaud the both of you!

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Posted by trains3114 on Monday, November 13, 2006 7:40 PM

Well I had to go with Erik's shot.  It is classic IAIS!  I live in the QC and go to school at Bradley and see them all the time. It is a great class 2/regional railroad and beats the class one's hands down in my book  They were both great shots but the IAIS will always get my vote!  Thank you both, for the great shots.

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Posted by Noah Hofrichter on Monday, November 13, 2006 7:57 PM

Both shots are pretty good again this week, but Sorry Erik, I had to go with Mike's. Erik's was a pretty good shot, but between the lighting being on the wrong side of the train (something I've never cared for) and the trees blocking an otherwise nice view of the lake, I just found that to be too many cons to Mike's shot's pros. With the side by side meet, the local's train having a jog in it, and the overpass to frame it all, I just had to go with Mike's this week.

Good shots though, both of you!

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Posted by MONONC420 on Monday, November 13, 2006 8:57 PM

Had to go with Erik's shot. dont care for the UP, and seems as how it is my second favorite railroad, only 2nd to Norfolk Southern. I just love the IAIS' paint scheme.

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Posted by Mattstpl on Monday, November 13, 2006 9:30 PM

Both fantastic shots.  My thoughts are along the same lines as copcarSS's posting.  I studied both shots for a long time and decided that Erik's was just a bit better.  I love the composition of the wedge shot with scenery ahead and the train disappearing into the background.  The perfect wedge angle, IMO.

 

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Posted by mandelswamp on Monday, November 13, 2006 10:20 PM
Erik, you have a nice picture but I think Mike's shot of the two trains running practically side-by-side was much more interesting and therefore won my vote.
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Posted by TOMinTN on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:30 AM

This was probably the toughest choice of the entire series.  The Iowa shot is great...perhaps almost too perfect.  One thing for sure, it's very pretty.

But the nitty gritty action of railroading is front and center in the UP photo, and while it's definitely not too pretty, it's very interesting. 

I'd have liked to voted "tie" on this one...and wonder if perhaps that shouldn't be a third voting option.

FWIW, I voted for the UP shot.

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Posted by fuzzybroken on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:13 AM
I went with Mike's shot, though I must say that I think Erik picked the better subject railroad!  I'm a big fan of the IAIS, though that sunny yellow nose contrasting with the black engine side in the shadows was a bit too much for my tastes.  I've also always been a fan of the RoadRailer trains on UP, and the locals are always interesting as well!

Also, I'm going to disagree with the remark about the overpass -- it is one of the nicest things the WisDOT has done for us railfans! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]  A few months back, I got a bunch of shots of an interesting little derailment from that bridge... link

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Posted by oltmannd on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:13 AM
I really like Mike's shot.  Lots of action.  Tells a story of the local waiting impatiently on the hot-shot.  Bridge railing frames it nicely. 

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Posted by senshi on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:01 AM
Why do you guys make it so hard to choose.Big Smile [:D]

Saying that I will have to go with the Iowa Interstate shot mostly because I see the UP everyday and schemes I don't see everyday catches my eye.  Also I like the scenic quality of that one.

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Posted by Chris Owens on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:13 AM

Hello Folks,

Although both shots were great, Mikes photo with the two trains, were good ! the bridge took away from the shot , I couldn't help but wonder about the rest of the train. Erik shot was also a good shot with the landscape, and the nose of the cab in the light but the side was in the shadows! leaving me ? ?

I guess after learning from "Wendy L. Cochran" about taking train photos, who "I think is a great railfan photographer", I think they were leaving something....... my vote will go for Erik's as the best of the two.

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:36 AM

AWESOME pic Erik!  I'm being bias because I was the conductor of that IAIS train (BUSW...aka "Peoria Rocket"). We had a late start out of Bureau because my engineer for the day had to deadhead out of Rock Island and wasn't rested until 08:15....so we was running a little late than normal that day. Train consist of 31 lds of grain, 4052 tons, 2000 ft.  A short train considering previous three days our train consist has been 60 to 85 cars southbound (TT westbound). After interchange with the TZPR in Peoria we headed back to Bureau with a consist of 0 lds x 91 mty, 3003 tons, 5700 ft.  At Bureau we turned the corner and headed west towards Rock Island as an extra mty grain train, met a recrew in Sheffield on our Hours of Service, and d/h back to Bureau.  Too bad you didn't have time to follow us all the way to Peoria and back, the line is very slippery this time of year with leaves on the rails. We experienced some wheel slip going both ways, especially near Sparland where you took that shot at.

It was nice to see you out at trackside and a treat to see you chose this pic up for vote to be this week's favorite.  I know which one will get my vote!  Big Smile [:D] 

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