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Posted by TimChgo9 on Wednesday, October 4, 2006 11:23 PM

I have never heard of 105mm artillery being used for avalanche control... Hmmmm that might be fun to watch.  They could used proximity rounds, so there isn't much in the way of duds... Can they use DPICM? or is that available in a small caliber like 105mm? (in the US Military, 105mm is considered "light" artillery, 155mm is "medium"... and heavy is the MLRS)

I know DPICM is used as an anti-armor, and area denial, or anti-personnel, but couldn't the charges be altered so they aren't flinging fragments everywhere??? Oh, well.... just food for thought.. 

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Posted by JSGreen on Wednesday, October 4, 2006 4:20 PM
105mm are commonly used for avalanch control....but I recall hearing about 3-4 years ago someone missed the damn mountain, and the shell ended up on private property...ooops.  (How do you miss a whole mountain?)

At least they are not using 155mm....or calling in an airstrike! 


I believe the Army has some laser guided artillary munitions....perhaps they could use those to guarentee accuracy...
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Posted by TomDiehl on Wednesday, October 4, 2006 1:21 PM
As I've understood it, this is a rather common practice in avalance areas, and not just in this country. But this is the first time I've heard of using anything as big as a 105mm Howitzer. I have seen films of using Mortars, which are more portable than the big guns. This is the only part that doesn't make sense, why do they want to use such a large caliber?
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Posted by mudchicken on Wednesday, October 4, 2006 12:20 PM
Compressed air cannons (including Colorado CDOT's 75mm and 105mm guns) are used here all the time. No big deal / You don't need big explosive charges, just a way to safely deliver a tennis ball sized charge- all you do is get the slide started and simple physics does the rest.
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Posted by arbfbe on Wednesday, October 4, 2006 11:11 AM

Yes, the BNSF wants to lob 105mm howitzer shells onto the mountains above the rail lines.  Yes, there are snow sheds in the area but some  have burned down and others removed by derailments and have not been replaced.  Avalanches in the area are an annual occurance.  The explosives would be used to trigger smaller avalanches so they do not build to massive volumes of unstable snow.

One problem with the idea is unexploded ordinance laying around the National Park.  Sometimes the snow provides enough of a cushion to prevent the shell from exploding.  I suppose proximity fuses could be used to trigger from the nearness to the rocks but still there are duds.  If the shells do go off you get shrapnel left on the wilderness grounds.

What the BNSF wants to avoid is the $110 million  expense to build snow sheds which may fall when a train derails inside.  I would also note many ski areas and highway departments which use explosives are getting away from artillary and going to helicopter drops of satchel explosives.  Having loose 105mm cannons and recoilless rifles standing around seems to upset many people as well.. 

   

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Posted by Chris30 on Wednesday, October 4, 2006 10:17 AM

I just read about this story in this morning's Chicago Tribune (tried to find it online and paste it but couldn't find it) and it looks like a really dumb idea.

Let me see if I've got this straight... We're going to bomb one of our own national parks? Even better, our own government (read: taxpayer) is going to pay for it! BRILLIANT!! The shelling creates an avalance. So where does the avalance/snow go after the shelling? My first, and only, guess says that gravity will pull the snow (and maybe a couple of goats and a sleeping grizzly bear) down on to the track(s). Maybe I'm not completely understanding this because I thought that the object was to keep snow off of the tracks.

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Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, October 4, 2006 9:16 AM

In a rather limited area of the park, the most they'rer concerned about is waking up some Grizzlies?  The RRs been there 100+ years w/o snow sheds.  I'll bet the avalanche risk is only great on rare years.  If so, snow sheds would be an unwarranted expense. 

I think they should let those who protest be the ones to do the survey after the shelling and see exactly how many grouchy, hungry Grizzlies have been awoken!  BNSF might even be willing to pick up their tab......

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BNSF Targets Bombing Run...
Posted by wallyworld on Wednesday, October 4, 2006 8:12 AM
More than likely, they are referring to lobbing artillary shells from ground based artillary. Although this makes perfect sense to avoid a potential avalanche on the right of way and the resulting loss of human life..there seems to be undue hand wringing over the welfare of rocks that trumps all...

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