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[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

But in the interest of keeping this about trains, I saw another CN unit in San Diego this morning. This time lashed up with a UP, SP and BNSF consist. Couldn't tell types from the distance, but was one of the 4 axle units with wide cab.

Probably trying a merger on for size! Here come the rocks again!

Moo

[dharmon]

But in the interest of keeping this about trains, I saw another CN unit in San Diego this morning. This time lashed up with a UP, SP and BNSF consist. Couldn't tell types from the distance, but was one of the 4 axle units with wide cab.

[dharmon]

But in the interest of keeping this about trains, I saw another CN unit in San Diego this morning. This time lashed up with a UP, SP and BNSF consist. Couldn't tell types from the distance, but was one of the 4 axle units with wide cab.

[dharmon]

In the race block I usually just put "human"

[dharmon]

In the race block I usually just put "human"

[vsmith]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Thats part of the problem, after several discussion about many diverse subjects, we never broached the subject.
His color dosnt seem to be a issue with him, and never was with me, so it never came up.
I have heard him refer to (space left blank) men as blacks, and he seemed to be refering to another group, excluding himself from said group.
Next chance I get, I will ask him.
Stay Frosty,
Ed

Just some random thoughts on "race"
Firstoff let me say that I never refer to myself as "white", "pinkskin" as the adorian charecter on "enterprise" decribed humans is probably more true desciption of caucasians. With my freinds and in-laws who are of the non-Irish persuasion the issue of "color" is non-existant unless we are talking about that subject specifically.

"color" is subjective, I've meet a lot of people who refer to themselves as "black americans" because they have no ties to africa, but others who prefer the term "african-american" to signify that their ancestors did come from africa, just as I could use the the term "irish-american" to describe my families origins. Although if I took that to be completely true I would have to say " irish-english-scottish-swedish-american) but there aint no way I'm hanging that moniker over my head.

I think the only black friends that I know who actually came from an african nation (morrocan-american, example) will use that reference. That raises an interesting point, can egyptians or lybians refer to themselves as "african-americans"? there on the african continent? and that brings a real interesting example of a "white" from south africa who refers to himself as an "african-american", and he's right, hes from africa, his whole family is, and now he a US citizen.

Personally I think these "labels" are stupid and just used to politically and socially divide people. I prefer to just simply think of us as "Americans" since that is most of us were born. I try to aknowledge that color differentiants the way people percieve each other but those differences have more to do with cultural differences than anything racial, therefore one skin tone is irrelivant to me. We have cultural differences, political differnces, but really no racial differences. DNA has proven that we all are 99.9999999999% (i think its to at least ten decimal places) the same.

P.S. my favorite "race" is the Indy 500

[vsmith]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Thats part of the problem, after several discussion about many diverse subjects, we never broached the subject.
His color dosnt seem to be a issue with him, and never was with me, so it never came up.
I have heard him refer to (space left blank) men as blacks, and he seemed to be refering to another group, excluding himself from said group.
Next chance I get, I will ask him.
Stay Frosty,
Ed

Just some random thoughts on "race"
Firstoff let me say that I never refer to myself as "white", "pinkskin" as the adorian charecter on "enterprise" decribed humans is probably more true desciption of caucasians. With my freinds and in-laws who are of the non-Irish persuasion the issue of "color" is non-existant unless we are talking about that subject specifically.

"color" is subjective, I've meet a lot of people who refer to themselves as "black americans" because they have no ties to africa, but others who prefer the term "african-american" to signify that their ancestors did come from africa, just as I could use the the term "irish-american" to describe my families origins. Although if I took that to be completely true I would have to say " irish-english-scottish-swedish-american) but there aint no way I'm hanging that moniker over my head.

I think the only black friends that I know who actually came from an african nation (morrocan-american, example) will use that reference. That raises an interesting point, can egyptians or lybians refer to themselves as "african-americans"? there on the african continent? and that brings a real interesting example of a "white" from south africa who refers to himself as an "african-american", and he's right, hes from africa, his whole family is, and now he a US citizen.

Personally I think these "labels" are stupid and just used to politically and socially divide people. I prefer to just simply think of us as "Americans" since that is most of us were born. I try to aknowledge that color differentiants the way people percieve each other but those differences have more to do with cultural differences than anything racial, therefore one skin tone is irrelivant to me. We have cultural differences, political differnces, but really no racial differences. DNA has proven that we all are 99.9999999999% (i think its to at least ten decimal places) the same.

P.S. my favorite "race" is the Indy 500

[Anonymous]

Ed ... about the word colored ... reminds me of a story (here we go again--Jim and his stories)

One of my best college friends was Eric--Eric was black. I had seniority among student and could choose my room and my roommate. Every student wanted an "end room" because they were 1/2 again as large as the normal rooms. So naturally I choose one. Eric was of course my roommate. Not because we had to be but because we wanted to be. I was a basketball team manager and Eric was a player. The other team manager was Amy. One day Amy was showing a possible b-team recruit around the gym and came across me doing something (what I don't remember) she introduced he and I and made the statement that Eric my roommate was colored. I looked at her and told her Eric was NOT COLORED. She looked at me like I should be committed. Her mouth dropped to the floor. She was dumbfounded. [:0] [:0] [:0] Then I told her that Eric was black. She just didn't know what to say to that, so she just continued her tour. Later that day I told Eric about the conversation and he about fell out. It became a joke between he and I that he was a "rainbow person". [:D] [:D] [:D]

[Anonymous]

Ed ... about the word colored ... reminds me of a story (here we go again--Jim and his stories)

One of my best college friends was Eric--Eric was black. I had seniority among student and could choose my room and my roommate. Every student wanted an "end room" because they were 1/2 again as large as the normal rooms. So naturally I choose one. Eric was of course my roommate. Not because we had to be but because we wanted to be. I was a basketball team manager and Eric was a player. The other team manager was Amy. One day Amy was showing a possible b-team recruit around the gym and came across me doing something (what I don't remember) she introduced he and I and made the statement that Eric my roommate was colored. I looked at her and told her Eric was NOT COLORED. She looked at me like I should be committed. Her mouth dropped to the floor. She was dumbfounded. [:0] [:0] [:0] Then I told her that Eric was black. She just didn't know what to say to that, so she just continued her tour. Later that day I told Eric about the conversation and he about fell out. It became a joke between he and I that he was a "rainbow person". [:D] [:D] [:D]

[Anonymous]

Ed ... about Anwar Sadat ...

His assassination set Middle East Peace back decades if not longer. I truly admired him, he was a good leader, a good man. I think much more of him than I did his Israeli counterpart. Don't be offended here about Mr. B. But the other nations just don't seem to learn. YOU DON'T MESS WITH GOD'S CHOOSEN PEOPLE. Isn't is funny how such a small nation can stand tall amoung such other larger nations! It isn't rocket science--there is a power watching over them. Sure they have bad things happening to them and always will until ...

[Anonymous]

Ed ... about Anwar Sadat ...

His assassination set Middle East Peace back decades if not longer. I truly admired him, he was a good leader, a good man. I think much more of him than I did his Israeli counterpart. Don't be offended here about Mr. B. But the other nations just don't seem to learn. YOU DON'T MESS WITH GOD'S CHOOSEN PEOPLE. Isn't is funny how such a small nation can stand tall amoung such other larger nations! It isn't rocket science--there is a power watching over them. Sure they have bad things happening to them and always will until ...

[edblysard]

Thats part of the problem, after several discussion about many diverse subjects, we never broached the subject.
His color dosnt seem to be a issue with him, and never was with me, so it never came up.
I have heard him refer to (space left blank) men as blacks, and he seemed to be refering to another group, excluding himself from said group.
Next chance I get, I will ask him.
Stay Frosty,
Ed

[edblysard]

Thats part of the problem, after several discussion about many diverse subjects, we never broached the subject.
His color dosnt seem to be a issue with him, and never was with me, so it never came up.
I have heard him refer to (space left blank) men as blacks, and he seemed to be refering to another group, excluding himself from said group.
Next chance I get, I will ask him.
Stay Frosty,
Ed

[Mookie]

Maybe ask him what he prefers?

Mook

[Mookie]

Maybe ask him what he prefers?

Mook

[edblysard]

Odd, I didnt think the word negro would cause a problem.

Black dosnt fit, he isnt, he is dark creamed coffee in color, but then, I am a rudy cream color, so I am not really " white".

For me, the terms black and white carry not only a lot of racial seperation, but the connotations of good and bad.

White knight saves the day battling the black knight, black associated with evil or bad, ill will, things of that nature.

I was trying to describe him, not set him apart in a sense of race, I meant negro more in the medical term.
Negro being someone who has dense, dark and tightly curled hair, and heavly pigmented skin.

I could have called him African- American,(hes not, his people are from Madrid)

I could have refered to him as colored, which also has a lot of racial overtones, especially way down south here.

I try not to describe people by the "color" of their skin, and as poitically correct as "black" currently is, it just dosnt sit well with me, nor does it describe him.

Had I used the word black, would the description have been more accurate?

In fact, I just realized instead of negro, I could have used the term, "negroid in physical character".

Black, throught its use as a descriptive word, brings to mind people of African descent, as its usage in the media and the political sense seems primarly aimed at that group, and its overuse has left the mental image of a African as the typical "black" person.

They are not, of course, the only people with the physical traits or darkly pigminted skin associated with that word, there are Cubans, Hatians, quite a few of the Caribean peoples, and several the Polynesians.

This guy looks more Egyptian than anything else.

Sorry, thorugh an attempt at economy in words, I used a single word to describe someone, when it appears I shoud have used several sentences to be more accurate.
The closest I can come is a darker Anwar Sadat, as this guy has the same fine, thin facial features.

To those offended, I offer my most sencere appology.

I was not attempting to define this man by race, but by physical appearances.

Had I not used a word like that, the image of a shirtless man, covered with pink splotchs, with a mohawk that is black at the roots, orange on top, leaping around the side of the candy machine, all hunched over, screaming "bright light, bright light", and the kid hitting the doors before the box he was holding hit the floor wouldnt have made too much sense or been anywhere near as funny.

So I know next time, and I am not being a smart aleck, what word do you guys recommond I should have used?

Stay Frosty,
Ed

[edblysard]

Odd, I didnt think the word negro would cause a problem.

Black dosnt fit, he isnt, he is dark creamed coffee in color, but then, I am a rudy cream color, so I am not really " white".

For me, the terms black and white carry not only a lot of racial seperation, but the connotations of good and bad.

White knight saves the day battling the black knight, black associated with evil or bad, ill will, things of that nature.

I was trying to describe him, not set him apart in a sense of race, I meant negro more in the medical term.
Negro being someone who has dense, dark and tightly curled hair, and heavly pigmented skin.

I could have called him African- American,(hes not, his people are from Madrid)

I could have refered to him as colored, which also has a lot of racial overtones, especially way down south here.

I try not to describe people by the "color" of their skin, and as poitically correct as "black" currently is, it just dosnt sit well with me, nor does it describe him.

Had I used the word black, would the description have been more accurate?

In fact, I just realized instead of negro, I could have used the term, "negroid in physical character".

Black, throught its use as a descriptive word, brings to mind people of African descent, as its usage in the media and the political sense seems primarly aimed at that group, and its overuse has left the mental image of a African as the typical "black" person.

They are not, of course, the only people with the physical traits or darkly pigminted skin associated with that word, there are Cubans, Hatians, quite a few of the Caribean peoples, and several the Polynesians.

This guy looks more Egyptian than anything else.

Sorry, thorugh an attempt at economy in words, I used a single word to describe someone, when it appears I shoud have used several sentences to be more accurate.
The closest I can come is a darker Anwar Sadat, as this guy has the same fine, thin facial features.

To those offended, I offer my most sencere appology.

I was not attempting to define this man by race, but by physical appearances.

Had I not used a word like that, the image of a shirtless man, covered with pink splotchs, with a mohawk that is black at the roots, orange on top, leaping around the side of the candy machine, all hunched over, screaming "bright light, bright light", and the kid hitting the doors before the box he was holding hit the floor wouldnt have made too much sense or been anywhere near as funny.

So I know next time, and I am not being a smart aleck, what word do you guys recommond I should have used?

Stay Frosty,
Ed

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Nora

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

Hey Ed, is that the politically correct term to describe a black person?

You know, probably not, but neither that post nor Ed's other posts about that incident seemed to bear any traces of ill will or racism towards the guy, so I don't see the big deal. (If someone were to use a different "n" word I would have a problem with it.)

--Nora

That's a more scientific name for it. I hear "black" more often, and do not consider that offensive. But i wouldn't not know, i'm not black. But i have absolutely nothing against black people. Don't get me wrong.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Nora

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

Hey Ed, is that the politically correct term to describe a black person?

You know, probably not, but neither that post nor Ed's other posts about that incident seemed to bear any traces of ill will or racism towards the guy, so I don't see the big deal. (If someone were to use a different "n" word I would have a problem with it.)

--Nora

That's a more scientific name for it. I hear "black" more often, and do not consider that offensive. But i wouldn't not know, i'm not black. But i have absolutely nothing against black people. Don't get me wrong.

[Nora]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

Hey Ed, is that the politically correct term to describe a black person?

You know, probably not, but neither that post nor Ed's other posts about that incident seemed to bear any traces of ill will or racism towards the guy, so I don't see the big deal. (If someone were to use a different "n" word I would have a problem with it.)

--Nora

[Nora]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

Hey Ed, is that the politically correct term to describe a black person?

You know, probably not, but neither that post nor Ed's other posts about that incident seemed to bear any traces of ill will or racism towards the guy, so I don't see the big deal. (If someone were to use a different "n" word I would have a problem with it.)

--Nora

[Anonymous]

Hey Ed, is that the politically correct term to describe a black person?

[Anonymous]

Hey Ed, is that the politically correct term to describe a black person?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Jim,
He is two toned right now, hair and skin.
I dont know if I mentioned in the original post, but he is a negro.
The heavy burns left pinkish spots and blobs, which will fade in time, but his hair, well, railroaders can have a odd sort of humor.
He shaved the sides bald, and left a short mohawk in the middle, and has been calling himself Stripe.
He goes around complaining about "Bright light, bright light" and hissing at people.
Actually, its funny as all get out to see the reaction of people who dont know him.
He scared the heck out the kid that refills the candy and soda machines.

As for the money side, the carrier paid him $25000.00 for his troubles, and took care of all the medical cost.
Oh, and they fixed the emergency shower, they buried the pipe, it runs under ground from the main building now, so the water isnt scalding at first.
Stay frosty,
Ed

$25,000 is a nice sum but I don't think I would like to try to get it "his way". Other than the original pain at first does he have any now? It seems like he is taking it pretty well. And laughing all the way to the bank. About the candy kid lol [:D] that is funny. I can't believe they had the water pipe on top of the ground, how stupid! Have they never used a garden hose that has been out in the afternoon sun? I think our aircraft engineers must have been on loan to yall for something that stupid. Here they design everything by Catia (softwear program). Then when it comes times to install the part by their Catia drawing it won't fit. Their reply, "Well it worked on the computer". Funny thing the computer and the aircraft seem to be two different animals. They think they can sit in their office and design drawings that will work on the aircraft without first doing a little homework and checking things out. This goes on and on and on and on. They never learn. Like I said they MUST have had a hand in the design of your shower system.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Jim,
He is two toned right now, hair and skin.
I dont know if I mentioned in the original post, but he is a negro.
The heavy burns left pinkish spots and blobs, which will fade in time, but his hair, well, railroaders can have a odd sort of humor.
He shaved the sides bald, and left a short mohawk in the middle, and has been calling himself Stripe.
He goes around complaining about "Bright light, bright light" and hissing at people.
Actually, its funny as all get out to see the reaction of people who dont know him.
He scared the heck out the kid that refills the candy and soda machines.

As for the money side, the carrier paid him $25000.00 for his troubles, and took care of all the medical cost.
Oh, and they fixed the emergency shower, they buried the pipe, it runs under ground from the main building now, so the water isnt scalding at first.
Stay frosty,
Ed

$25,000 is a nice sum but I don't think I would like to try to get it "his way". Other than the original pain at first does he have any now? It seems like he is taking it pretty well. And laughing all the way to the bank. About the candy kid lol [:D] that is funny. I can't believe they had the water pipe on top of the ground, how stupid! Have they never used a garden hose that has been out in the afternoon sun? I think our aircraft engineers must have been on loan to yall for something that stupid. Here they design everything by Catia (softwear program). Then when it comes times to install the part by their Catia drawing it won't fit. Their reply, "Well it worked on the computer". Funny thing the computer and the aircraft seem to be two different animals. They think they can sit in their office and design drawings that will work on the aircraft without first doing a little homework and checking things out. This goes on and on and on and on. They never learn. Like I said they MUST have had a hand in the design of your shower system.

[edblysard]

Jim,
He is two toned right now, hair and skin.
I dont know if I mentioned in the original post, but he is a negro.
The heavy burns left pinkish spots and blobs, which will fade in time, but his hair, well, railroaders can have a odd sort of humor.
He shaved the sides bald, and left a short mohawk in the middle, and has been calling himself Stripe.
He goes around complaining about "Bright light, bright light" and hissing at people.
Actually, its funny as all get out to see the reaction of people who dont know him.
He scared the heck out the kid that refills the candy and soda machines.

As for the money side, the carrier paid him $25000.00 for his troubles, and took care of all the medical cost.
Oh, and they fixed the emergency shower, they buried the pipe, it runs under ground from the main building now, so the water isnt scalding at first.
Stay frosty,
Ed

[edblysard]

Jim,
He is two toned right now, hair and skin.
I dont know if I mentioned in the original post, but he is a negro.
The heavy burns left pinkish spots and blobs, which will fade in time, but his hair, well, railroaders can have a odd sort of humor.
He shaved the sides bald, and left a short mohawk in the middle, and has been calling himself Stripe.
He goes around complaining about "Bright light, bright light" and hissing at people.
Actually, its funny as all get out to see the reaction of people who dont know him.
He scared the heck out the kid that refills the candy and soda machines.

As for the money side, the carrier paid him $25000.00 for his troubles, and took care of all the medical cost.
Oh, and they fixed the emergency shower, they buried the pipe, it runs under ground from the main building now, so the water isnt scalding at first.
Stay frosty,
Ed

[JoeKoh]

kevin is a young pup compared to mookie
stay safe
Joe

[JoeKoh]

kevin is a young pup compared to mookie
stay safe
Joe

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

Hmmm.. so your about the same age as me eh?

Kevin - you and Silvio or you and Mookie? [:D]