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Posted by mvlandsw on Sunday, February 15, 2004 3:31 AM
A local utility crew set up their truck on the B&O tracks and were working in the bucket on the end of the boom until a train removed the truck and left the lineman clinging to the pole. They said they thought trains didn't run there anymore.
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Posted by mvlandsw on Sunday, February 15, 2004 3:31 AM
A local utility crew set up their truck on the B&O tracks and were working in the bucket on the end of the boom until a train removed the truck and left the lineman clinging to the pole. They said they thought trains didn't run there anymore.
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Posted by dehusman on Sunday, February 15, 2004 7:51 AM
A survey crew comes through and uses some points on the tracks as referenc stations (driving nails into the ties). Two days later a tamper comes through and relines and tamps/raises the track. The survey crew comes back and can't figure out why the points/stations are off by 6" a foot.

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Posted by dehusman on Sunday, February 15, 2004 7:51 AM
A survey crew comes through and uses some points on the tracks as referenc stations (driving nails into the ties). Two days later a tamper comes through and relines and tamps/raises the track. The survey crew comes back and can't figure out why the points/stations are off by 6" a foot.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 15, 2004 8:35 AM
I'm not sure i understand the Question... dumb it down for me in a few sentances...

But heres what i get from it...

I find that surveyors are more often around corssings then not, never had a bad encounter with them, I do find though that they skoot in front of the train jsut to make it to the other side of the tracks, which i believe will vut about 10 years of my life.

I'm not so worried about them, with Stations close to the track, it tends to encourage punk-*** kids, who have nothing better to do then to cause mischief..

Thats what worries me more...

One time, A lady dropped almsot a dollars worth of change on the floor of the passenger car, and couldn't be bothered to pick it p.. so here I saw, and started picking it up.. as I bent down and started picking up the quarters, An Ice ball (will describe later) came sailing through the window, busted it, glass went down my shirt, hit the floor and skidded down the isle, bumpng into some seat legs.

This Ice ball, someone during the melt must have made a snow ball, and put it in their freezer so it was hard as heck.. would have broken through 12 windows, given half the chance

If i wasn't bend down picking up the money, the stupid thing would have hit my head or my face or my neck...

So dumb kids are what i'm worried about most., Stations by the tracks are very inviting, I often Wonder if these kids have anyhting better to do, such as play cards, or show off their car, do doughnuts in Food lion parking lot, play yatzee perhaps, have sex with their Girlfriends...

Any one f those, I wouldn't care.. jsut don't bust up other peoples property, I must be among the few that things that that past time is stupid.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 15, 2004 8:35 AM
I'm not sure i understand the Question... dumb it down for me in a few sentances...

But heres what i get from it...

I find that surveyors are more often around corssings then not, never had a bad encounter with them, I do find though that they skoot in front of the train jsut to make it to the other side of the tracks, which i believe will vut about 10 years of my life.

I'm not so worried about them, with Stations close to the track, it tends to encourage punk-*** kids, who have nothing better to do then to cause mischief..

Thats what worries me more...

One time, A lady dropped almsot a dollars worth of change on the floor of the passenger car, and couldn't be bothered to pick it p.. so here I saw, and started picking it up.. as I bent down and started picking up the quarters, An Ice ball (will describe later) came sailing through the window, busted it, glass went down my shirt, hit the floor and skidded down the isle, bumpng into some seat legs.

This Ice ball, someone during the melt must have made a snow ball, and put it in their freezer so it was hard as heck.. would have broken through 12 windows, given half the chance

If i wasn't bend down picking up the money, the stupid thing would have hit my head or my face or my neck...

So dumb kids are what i'm worried about most., Stations by the tracks are very inviting, I often Wonder if these kids have anyhting better to do, such as play cards, or show off their car, do doughnuts in Food lion parking lot, play yatzee perhaps, have sex with their Girlfriends...

Any one f those, I wouldn't care.. jsut don't bust up other peoples property, I must be among the few that things that that past time is stupid.
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Posted by mudchicken on Sunday, February 15, 2004 9:27 PM
Kevin:

(1) For what ever reason, the subject surfaced to the top after a long hiatus buried in the postings.....

(2) Have spent many years dealing with surveyors who think "surveyors right-of-entry" entitles them the right to stand out in the middle of the track any time they darn well please. (This is more of a US issue than it is up north of the border)...An Amtrak flagman died in 1996 trying to stop a dumb move by a surveyor at Monmouth, NJ....As I teach surveyors & engineers basics about entering railroad property with the proper protection. Most of these folks can't savvy the things that happen out on the railroad.
There is a surveyors message board that has several "legends in their own minds" that advocate things that are truly frightening and will eventually kill some unfortunate soul.

What I was hoping to hear was some of the things that the guys in the operating crafts have run into over the years.

DaveH and mvlandsw thanx for the tips. Still trying to get non-railroaders to think a little bit before stepping into harms way. One more accident survey is one too many...

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Posted by mudchicken on Sunday, February 15, 2004 9:27 PM
Kevin:

(1) For what ever reason, the subject surfaced to the top after a long hiatus buried in the postings.....

(2) Have spent many years dealing with surveyors who think "surveyors right-of-entry" entitles them the right to stand out in the middle of the track any time they darn well please. (This is more of a US issue than it is up north of the border)...An Amtrak flagman died in 1996 trying to stop a dumb move by a surveyor at Monmouth, NJ....As I teach surveyors & engineers basics about entering railroad property with the proper protection. Most of these folks can't savvy the things that happen out on the railroad.
There is a surveyors message board that has several "legends in their own minds" that advocate things that are truly frightening and will eventually kill some unfortunate soul.

What I was hoping to hear was some of the things that the guys in the operating crafts have run into over the years.

DaveH and mvlandsw thanx for the tips. Still trying to get non-railroaders to think a little bit before stepping into harms way. One more accident survey is one too many...

Mudchicken[banghead]
Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west
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Posted by jchnhtfd on Monday, February 16, 2004 10:48 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

A survey crew comes through and uses some points on the tracks as referenc stations (driving nails into the ties). Two days later a tamper comes through and relines and tamps/raises the track. The survey crew comes back and can't figure out why the points/stations are off by 6" a foot.

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Posted by jchnhtfd on Monday, February 16, 2004 10:48 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

A survey crew comes through and uses some points on the tracks as referenc stations (driving nails into the ties). Two days later a tamper comes through and relines and tamps/raises the track. The survey crew comes back and can't figure out why the points/stations are off by 6" a foot.

Dave H.

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Posted by rrnut282 on Monday, February 16, 2004 12:07 PM
Originally posted by jchnhtfd

Originally posted by dehusman

A survey crew comes through and uses some points on the tracks as referenc stations (driving nails into the ties). Two days later a tamper comes through and relines and tamps/raises the track. The survey crew comes back and can't figure out why the points/stations are off by 6" a foot.

Dave H.

Have done a lot of survey work myself, I don't know how many times I have had to explain that possibility when someone chooses a RR tie as an easy place to pound in a nail for a control point.[:D] I usually win the discussion, but if I don't, I won't put my name on the work.[X-)] Honest, boss, I don't know who was out there.[}:)]
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Posted by rrnut282 on Monday, February 16, 2004 12:07 PM
Originally posted by jchnhtfd

Originally posted by dehusman

A survey crew comes through and uses some points on the tracks as referenc stations (driving nails into the ties). Two days later a tamper comes through and relines and tamps/raises the track. The survey crew comes back and can't figure out why the points/stations are off by 6" a foot.

Dave H.

Have done a lot of survey work myself, I don't know how many times I have had to explain that possibility when someone chooses a RR tie as an easy place to pound in a nail for a control point.[:D] I usually win the discussion, but if I don't, I won't put my name on the work.[X-)] Honest, boss, I don't know who was out there.[}:)]
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Posted by kenneo on Monday, February 16, 2004 7:23 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jchnhtfd

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

A survey crew comes through and uses some points on the tracks as referenc stations (driving nails into the ties). Two days later a tamper comes through and relines and tamps/raises the track. The survey crew comes back and can't figure out why the points/stations are off by 6" a foot.

Dave H.

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Posted by kenneo on Monday, February 16, 2004 7:23 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jchnhtfd

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

A survey crew comes through and uses some points on the tracks as referenc stations (driving nails into the ties). Two days later a tamper comes through and relines and tamps/raises the track. The survey crew comes back and can't figure out why the points/stations are off by 6" a foot.

Dave H.

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 3:54 PM
mudchicken --

You're doing the right thing, in the right ways, with the right intent. Right on!

Out of curiosity, do you post on some of the 'surveyor boards' you mentioned, trying to let a little light in on the benighted? I won't ask about the grade-crossing angel site and others of that ilk...

(Hey, I wonder if there's any way to require surveyors to carry equipment that interfaces with PTC, which would give them some sort of effective warning *that they'd have to respond to* or, at the very least, gives them an increasingly irritating set of warnings. My own preference would include cutoff switches in the guns etc., the 'moral equivalent' of big-holing the air???)
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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 3:54 PM
mudchicken --

You're doing the right thing, in the right ways, with the right intent. Right on!

Out of curiosity, do you post on some of the 'surveyor boards' you mentioned, trying to let a little light in on the benighted? I won't ask about the grade-crossing angel site and others of that ilk...

(Hey, I wonder if there's any way to require surveyors to carry equipment that interfaces with PTC, which would give them some sort of effective warning *that they'd have to respond to* or, at the very least, gives them an increasingly irritating set of warnings. My own preference would include cutoff switches in the guns etc., the 'moral equivalent' of big-holing the air???)

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