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worst or best potrayals of railroads in movies/tv shows
Posted by caboose63 on Thursday, July 27, 2006 7:59 PM
Does anyone have any examples of the worst or best potrayal of railroads in tv or the movies? for me the worst example was nbc' stinker atomic train from about 1999 i believe that had a train with a russian a bomb aboard and heading towards denver. one thing that stood out to me that made the film bad was the fact some of the freight cars looked too old to be on a major freight railroad in late 1990's. or the gondola in the train that was hauling oil drums of toxic chemicals. i worked on a railroad and i never saw chemicals shipped that way thankfully.
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Posted by One Track Mind on Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:57 PM
Gonna have to go with a whimsical nitpickin' donation to this thread. Don't remember which season it was, but it was at least post-1972 when the TV show Emergency! aired part of an episode about a rescue in a freight yard in or near Los Angeles. Prominent in the shot was a boxcar from the great fictional rail line, The Chicago Pacific with lettering that looked eerily familiar to the SP.Smile [:)] What nailed the scene, though, was the sound effects folks wanted the sound of trains moving in the background, so they used steam locomotive sounds! Now I wasn't around LA in the early '70s but I'm guessing steam was no longer being used. (Hey that's some sarcasm there, no need to explain to me when steam locomotives were retired....) Anyway, always enjoyed that tidbit.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:30 PM
Hitchcock was a stickler for accuracy whenever trains turned up in his movies. Listen carefully in "North by Northwest" to the train announcements in Chicago's La Salle St. Station where Cary Grant disguises himself as a redcap in order to elude his pursuers. Then compare that with an old NYC timetable of the time.
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Posted by Andrew Falconer on Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:02 PM

That out of wack movie was NBC's ATOMIC TRAIN. It made no sense. The locomotive and freight cars were strange and confusing due to Hollywood style invading British Columbia.

The best TV Series depiction was on the CBS Series "Early Edition". It was shot in Chicago and the trains were real and accurate. They were shown as dangerous if people were careless.

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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:48 PM

Where do I begin

Lots of good documentarys turn up on local PBS from time to time. Great Railway Journeys Of The World, being one.

I can run off  a laundry list of crap. Supertrain-pure 70s TV CRA*P! Supposed to be Loveboat on rail, more like garbagescow on skids.

Atomic Train has to be the single worst though, complete drivel.

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Posted by rluke on Friday, July 28, 2006 11:20 AM

All movies

Has anyone ever seen a movie or tv show where a train slams into a car or truck (or person) and then

stops?  or at least goes into 'emergency'?    They all just keep going..

 

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Posted by edblysard on Friday, July 28, 2006 12:19 PM

"Broken Arrow"

 

Wonder what Christan Slater is hanging onto under the QTTX flat car when the Travolta's bad guys are looking for him.

I looked, and still cant find one with a platform under there...and still wonder why, when they cut the cars away, nothing goes into emergency.

And the cattle car is great...see those all the time, right?

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, July 28, 2006 1:04 PM

Emergency was good for little gaffs like that - the fire apparatus sometimes changed sirens mid-response!

Petticoat Junction - The real Sierra RR, portrayed as - a railroad.  No gimmicks or anything else.  Some comic bits, of course, but nothing outlandish.

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Posted by railfanespee4449 on Friday, July 28, 2006 1:42 PM

At least in the TV show NUMB3RS, they explain why you can't stop a train instantly. It also portrays MOST engineers as responsible, caring people.

 

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Posted by vsmith on Friday, July 28, 2006 2:33 PM
 edblysard wrote:

"Broken Arrow"

 

Wonder what Christan Slater is hanging onto under the QTTX flat car when the Travolta's bad guys are looking for him.

I looked, and still cant find one with a platform under there...and still wonder why, when they cut the cars away, nothing goes into emergency.

And the cattle car is great...see those all the time, right?

Great for all your nuclear war head transportation needs.

 
Ed,  Thats an easy one. Model train cars aint got no brakes.

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Posted by peteCORY on Friday, July 28, 2006 2:51 PM
One of my favorites is the Doris Day, Jack Lemmon film "It Happened to Jane." Whenever I run into it on television, I have to stop and watch it. Aside from its slice-of-1950s life look and a great performance by Ernie Kovacs as the megalomaniacal Henry Foster Malone running his rather New Haven-looking "Eastern & Portland" roughshod over poor Jane Osgood, the railroad star is "Ol' 98" and its run around New England. It's a delight whenever you can catch it. ------ Sometimes the trains just serve as a great backdrop. One of my favorite scenes is in the "Magnificent Seven." In the scene where knife-throwing Rhett has a "shootout" with a fellow cowboy, Wallace, the backdrop is an idling narrow-gauge 2-8-0 FCI steamer with a string of NdeM stockcars. The movie was shot on location in Mexico. I suspect this was a local working train hired for the job, but don't know the actual production facts to support that. For the longest time, I thought I detected a 3-28 mark on the side of one of the stockcars, but having just reviewed the scene, I can't find it. Must have been one of those "I was sure I saw it" moments. Anyway, it's a great train moment in a subtle way. ------ BTW, I just love my new MacBook Pro. I'm composing this note and can't recall any real details, so I load the "Magnificent Seven" DVD and find the scene. Meanwhile I go over to the Internet Movie Database (IMDb.com) for background on "It happened to Jane." We live in a Great Age alright!
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Posted by silicon212 on Friday, July 28, 2006 2:58 PM
How about the 1986 movie "Tough Enough" with the SP 4449?
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Posted by chad thomas on Friday, July 28, 2006 3:56 PM

 silicon212 wrote:
How about the 1986 movie "Tough Enough" with the SP 4449?

I think you mean Tough Guys. That's a definate classic, but steam in the 80s.....

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Posted by vsmith on Friday, July 28, 2006 4:15 PM
Time for some good ones:
 
"Runaway Train" is one of the better portrayals, as real life as movie making is that is..
 
"Emporer of the North" is pretty reailistic
 
"The Train" also.....
 
"Disaster on the Coastliner" is a good one from TV land...

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Posted by MLG4812 on Friday, July 28, 2006 4:22 PM

Ready for some noob input? How about the 1994 movie "The War" with Kevin Costner? It's set in 1970 Mississippi mind you. About 20 min. into the movie in one scene, I could have sworn the locomotive that went by was an "NS" gp38 high-hood. Have to agree also.."Emporer of the North" was a great movie.

 

 

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Posted by n012944 on Friday, July 28, 2006 4:33 PM

One of the worst, Money Train, a stupid movie.  There is one more that I can't remember the name of it, it had Steven Sagal (sp?) as a cook in the train, at the end he outran the explosion from a head on collison.

 

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Posted by ndbprr on Friday, July 28, 2006 5:04 PM
Nearly every stinking movie Hollywood has made where they lose air and can;t stop the train.
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Posted by METRO on Friday, July 28, 2006 9:34 PM
I have no idea if it was prototypical or not but I want the armored Russian train from Goldeneye!

I'd have to agree that Atomic Train was horrid, no matter how bad the train was, I believe the worst part was the idea that one could survive a nuclear shockwave by hiding in a concrete pipe that was open at both ends! That was almost as bad as the duck-and-cover drills I had to do in school.

Also the other crazy NBC train moment was when an earthquake chased down the Amtrak Empire Builder in the movie 10.5, which was also the least realistic earthquake movie of all time.

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Posted by Train 284 on Friday, July 28, 2006 11:30 PM
 chad thomas wrote:

 silicon212 wrote:
How about the 1986 movie "Tough Enough" with the SP 4449?

I think you mean Tough Guys. That's a definate classic, but steam in the 80s.....



They were making just a special run were they not? I may be wrong. It was like the 30 th anniversery of the train or something?????
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Posted by vsmith on Friday, July 28, 2006 11:51 PM
 n012944 wrote:

One of the worst, Money Train, a stupid movie.  There is one more that I can't remember the name of it, it had Steven Sagal (sp?) as a cook in the train, at the end he outran the explosion from a head on collison.

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That Segal turd was Under Seige 2 Dark Territory, Which was incredibly stupid and now that I think of it, likely the WORST thing trainwise ever purported to be cinema ...

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Posted by n012944 on Saturday, July 29, 2006 12:17 AM
 vsmith wrote:
 n012944 wrote:

One of the worst, Money Train, a stupid movie.  There is one more that I can't remember the name of it, it had Steven Sagal (sp?) as a cook in the train, at the end he outran the explosion from a head on collison.

Bert

That Segal turd was Under Seige 2 Dark Territory, Which was incredibly stupid and now that I think of it, likely the WORST thing trainwise ever purported to be cinema ...

Thats the one I was thinking of.

 

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Posted by wjstix on Saturday, July 29, 2006 3:03 AM

I think in "Tough Guys" they said it was the final run of the train...I don't remember if it was supposed to have been steam-powered all along, or if they brought the steam engine out just for that final run??

In "Bound for Glory" there's a scene of Woody Guthrie (played by David Carradine, who was maybe 10" too tall) coming out of a 1930's hobo camp and hopping a train of 60' high cube boxcars from the 1960's-70's.

There was a Charles Bronson movie...don't remember the name, but it was about fighters in New Orleans in the 1930's - yet in the opening scene, he arrives on a train pulled by I think an SW-1500 diesel switcher.

In one of Hitchcock's early c.1933 UK films, someone reaches down and by pulling a lever disconnects several passenger cars from the train. The railway it was filmed on went to some lengths to inform people that it really wasn't that easy to uncouple a train on their line!! BTW the British film "The Titfield Thunderbolt" is good.

"Emperor of the North" is generally very very good. OK a couple of wood freight cars are in paint schemes 10-15 too new for the era, and a 2-8-0 is a little unlikely to be running a passenger train, but still it's got some great realistic scenes in it. Plus everyone goes by their 'moniker' or job name (hoghead, shack) and not actual names.

Unfortunately "Danger Lights" is hard to find on video or DVD in it's complete length - somebody bought the rights to it a while back and made a "railfan edition" version that only included the scenes with trains, thereby destroying the story. It was actually a pretty good movie and was filmed on location on the Milwaukee Road's electric and steam lines in 1930, one of the very first sound movies shot on location. The bit about the young engineer getting his foot caught in the switch points is a little goofy though, as is the race to Chicago to save his life. Couldn't they have stopped at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester MN on the way from Montana??

 

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Posted by WP 3020 on Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:44 AM
I kind of remember in a $6,000,000 Man show there was a forest fire and and he couldn't outrun the fire. ( strange for a man who could pull a hellicopter down and not have his feet come off the ground ) He and some woman found an old logging loco ( I think it was a Shay? ) and managed to fire it and get enough steam to run it through the fire.

The Emperor of the North allso had an strange rout from Cottage Grove to Portland, Oregon through Corvallis? If you ever watch it, take note of  how slow they are going vs. how fast the sound of the crossing bell sound goes by, for crossing that are not there, and how many times the wistle is blown for them. We were wondering too, just when it was that crossing bells were commonly installed vs. the era the movie is set in? But it is fun to watch and see the things in the movie that I can remember being in Cottage Grove in the '70s and '80s that aren't there now, like the whole OP&E RR.
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Posted by Kevin C. Smith on Saturday, July 29, 2006 1:28 PM
 wjstix wrote:

BTW the British film "The Titfield Thunderbolt" is good.

I had forgotten all about that-caught it on the late show a zillion years ago (now 99 cable stations are on 24 hours but do you think anyone will play any movies anymore-NOOOOOO just those dratted infomercials... Ugh! Thus ends today's sermon) and it was great.

One I didn't see mentioned so far-another Charles Bronson movie, I believe it was Breakheart Pass which I've only seen in bits and pieces, never all at once. Great movie on the D&RGW narrow gauge (if I recall aright) but every change of scene was accompanied by an almost constantly blowing whistle. You'd think there were more grade crossings in the middle of the Colorado Rockies than the middle of Appleton, Wisconsin (inside joke).

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Posted by caboose63 on Saturday, July 29, 2006 6:23 PM
the name of the steven seagal movie where he was aboard the train was called undersiege II: dark territory filmed on the D&RGW moffat line in colorado i believe
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 29, 2006 7:47 PM

I liked Silver Streak.  Realistic? Nope... not in the least.  Jill Clayburgh was enough to make any man jump between passenger cars!

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Posted by cr6479 on Saturday, July 29, 2006 9:00 PM
How about atomic train it was a movie. Which had in one of the boxcars a nuke warhead in a crate. It looked like it was filmed in canada.
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Posted by Andrew Falconer on Sunday, July 30, 2006 8:33 PM
UNDER SIEGE II was the name of the movie starring Steven Segal. The story contained such stupid and brutal tactics that it was completely unbelivable as a whole.
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Posted by zugmann on Sunday, July 30, 2006 8:39 PM
 erikthered wrote:

I liked Silver Streak.  Realistic? Nope... not in the least.  Jill Clayburgh was enough to make any man jump between passenger cars!

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Posted by Poppa_Zit on Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:43 PM
 tree68 wrote:

Emergency was good for little gaffs like that - the fire apparatus sometimes changed sirens mid-response!

It was also the birthplace of smokeless interior fire, so the cameras could show the actors.

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