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Posted by WP 3020 on Saturday, August 5, 2006 2:45 AM
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My favorites are Silver Streek and Von Ryan's Express. I agree that Atomic Train was an Atomic Bomb. As for Runaway Train, what's with the GP-7s on AAR Trucks instead of Blomberg Trucks?


They were X Alaska RR GP7s 1804 $ 1810. ARR GP7s originally had AAR type A switcher trucks then were upgraded to AAR  type B road trucks. I don't recall if the trucks were changed before, during or after they got chopped short hoods by Paducah.
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One other thing. Maybe it's just me, but if I were riding in a train, I think I'd notice a pickup truck flying over the train and the sound of a body landing on top. But maybe that happens all the time where that train goes.
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Posted by WP 3020 on Saturday, August 5, 2006 2:09 AM
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Big mistake:  In "Groundhog Day", there are modern stack carriers rolling by on a train even though it is set in the 1960s.


The movie JFK had a stack train too, in Dalas.
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Posted by gardendance on Friday, August 4, 2006 10:02 PM
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I liked Silver Streak.  Realistic? Nope... not in the least.  Jill Clayburgh was enough to make any man jump between passenger cars!

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I reckon  the movie: "Murder on the Orient Express" based on the Agatha Christie murder mystery novel of the same name was excellent.  I'm not an Orient Express expert but it sure looked authentic!  Great "atmosphere" - a train trapped deep in snow drifts in central Europe with high drama inside!  Albert Finney did a great job as the detective Hercule Poirot! Smile [:)]

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Loved that one, too! Some of the best shots of a moving train that I've ever seen on the silver screen. I'll agree with you about Albert Finney but the star of that all star cast, to me, had to have been Lauren Bacall-I'd pay to watch a film of her crossing the street. Always thought she was a class act.

Why are you guys paying attention to Jill Clayburgh and Lauren Bacall? We're railfans. Need I remind you that being nuts about railroads means you'd rather see a moving string of G's than a moving G-string? I'll explain that Pennsylvania Railroad electric locomotive reference upon request.

A couple of folks mentioned Petticoat Junction. That show often sets my mind down an interesting train of thought. I remember hearing a stand-up comic trying to make a joke about Petticoat Junction, he complained that the ladies were bathing in the water tower and contaminating the town's drinking water. I'd suspect that it was the railroad's water, intended for the locomotives. Once upon a time our railroads supplied better quality water for their locomotives than most people drank, and in the movie Back to the Future part 3 our heroes multi-great grandmother offers him some water. When she pours it into his glass the water's brown. And the movie winds up turning a steam locomotive into a time machine.

Nobody's mentioned trolleys in movies. Who's seen Malcolm? It's set in Melbourne Australia, with a few minutes at the end somewhere in Portugal, with plenty of trolley action, including some nice models in the title characters home.

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Posted by UPTRAIN on Thursday, August 3, 2006 1:54 AM

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My favorites are Silver Streek and Von Ryan's Express. I agree that Atomic Train was an Atomic Bomb. As for Runaway Train, what's with the GP-7s on AAR Trucks instead of Blomberg Trucks?

ARR ordered them riding on Alco trucks.

I think the best one was The Fugitive with Harrison Ford, filmed on the Great Smokey Mountains Railroad where as I understand it, actually ran over a bus and actually ran the train off a spur.  The rolling stock was too old, but the motive power was in the neighborhood of correct, a U25B (?) and a high nose GP30 on the fictional "Illinois Southern".  I can deal with old units secondhand on a railroad such as that, I would railfan it, lol.  I also liked Runaway Train, the NUMB3RS Episode, and anything made by Pentrex!  Big Smile [:D]

Bombs were Atomic Train, End of the Line, Tough Guys...the other mentioned awful ones.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 3, 2006 1:14 AM
In some old B movie from the 40's, I think, there's this fist fight going on in a depot between the depot agent and the bad guy.  Someone gets thrown against the order board levers, moving them, and the result is that a switch gets thrown outside the depot.  (??)  Of course there's a train coming too.  High drama.

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Posted by acelachaser on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 10:43 PM
here's one I just remembered...anybody notice in Harry Potter Prisoner Of Azcaban, in the Dark Arts room when Harry's learning about the Petronum spell the model train running around is Lionel's Thomas set?
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Posted by acelachaser on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 9:40 PM

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I can not remember the movie, but in California, the first lady was on a train and a madman hijacked a train and jammed the radio and the signals so he could have a head on crash. The MOW guys caught on and built a high speed crossover in the nick of time. It was not realistic but had good drama.

That was Disaster On The Coastliner...I put in a few earlier posts about footage of an FL9 in Connecticut showing up in that one. 

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Posted by gradyo54 on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 9:35 PM
"Union Pacific" 1939 BW good train movie decent special effects for the era.
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Posted by spokyone on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 8:23 PM
I can not remember the movie, but in California, the first lady was on a train and a madman hijacked a train and jammed the radio and the signals so he could have a head on crash. The MOW guys caught on and built a high speed crossover in the nick of time. It was not realistic but had good drama.
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Posted by One Track Mind on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 12:34 PM

"Duel" is one of our favorite movies, and again this is kinda nitpicky about the details, but at one point after the SP train goes by and The Truck proceeds across the crossing, The Truck Driver gives a friendly blast of the air horn, and the train gives a friendly blast back...from the cab of the locomotive which should now be about a mile down the tracks! And this will show how much of a geek I am, but we watched the DVD a couple months ago and something I had never noticed before, and probably would never have noticed without the freeze-frame pause is they ran some of the train footage film backwards. Thought I was seeing things, but sure enough a cificaP nrehtuoS hopper went by.

On the topic of great directors first efforts, Martin Scorcese's first effort was "Boxcar Bertha" which could qualify as a train movie. I just saw this the first time about a month ago...anyone else nominate this under the "bad" portrayals?

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Posted by n012944 on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 9:53 AM

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 GP-9_Man11786 wrote:
My favorites are Silver Streek and Von Ryan's Express. I agree that Atomic Train was an Atomic Bomb. As for Runaway Train, what's with the GP-7s on AAR Trucks instead of Blomberg Trucks?

I believe it was filmed on the Alaska RR, which used these trucks for their own reasons (cost, ability to weather, etc.) Old trucks from their retired locomotives could be attached to early EMD locomotives if requested by the railroad.

 

I think they were ex Army engines, and that is why they had switcher trucks instead of Blombergs.

 

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Posted by Gluefinger on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 12:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><table class="quoteOuterTable"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/trccs/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>GP-9_Man11786 wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4">My favorites are Silver Streek and Von Ryan's Express. I agree that
Atomic Train was an Atomic Bomb. As for Runaway Train, what's with the
GP-7s on AAR Trucks instead of Blomberg Trucks?<br>
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I believe it was filmed on the Alaska RR, which used these trucks for their own reasons (cost, ability to weather, etc.)

Old trucks from their retired locomotives could be attached to early EMD locomotives if requested by the railroad.
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Posted by n012944 on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 1:58 PM

If you are just talking about classic scenes in a movie I think In The Heat Of The Night should be included.  Some great scenes of the GM&O and the Mopac.

 

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Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 1:07 PM
Duel was a classic (Spielburgs first actually) but I wouldn't call it a train movie. There were a few classic SP scenes near Acton though.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 1:00 PM
a great one was "Duel"
one of Steven Spielberg's first movies
there were a few scenes with some SP action
pretty well done id say
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Posted by acelachaser on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 11:46 AM
another classic scene...just what chance does a super modified Apache helicopter stand against a couple of lightweight yard switchers and 4 empty boxcars doing 10MPH?   in "Blue Thunder"Confused [%-)]
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Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 11:45 AM
Its been a while since seeing it...Yeah about the F9-pickup truck. I especially like it hitting a 8' diameter solid central support column, knocks it clean down, and keeps going  without being deflected one inch and remaining structurally intact.Laugh [(-D] Was that the original Safety Cab? Pure Hollywood, but it is a very fun flick, Right Steve?  Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by acelachaser on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 11:19 AM
 vsmith wrote:
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"Disaster on the Coastliner"..THERE was an acadamy award winner Tongue [:P] Just how many FL9s run up and down the west coast's third rail line? Made for TV movie cinematography at its finest!Oops [oops]

"Silver Streak" and "Union Pacific" top my list.

 
I dont think so...."Disaster" featured Amtrak F-40s, I beleive they used the same trainset to film both trains on the collision course (old technic, film it from left side only for one train and from the right side only for the other, all you do is change the numbers on each side) but they were most definetly F40s.  I remember cause I saw the behind the scenes of the climactic crash...

I remember that..and yes for the most part they shot the same train, but although the trains were Amfleet/F40 powered, there's at least 1 or 2 scenes that show an FL9 hauling Heritage fleet cars up the Connecticut ShoreLine. Looks like file/stock footage that doesn't even fit the format of the movie...typical of lower budgeted made for tv movies since the budget went to the cast and the f/x gang was last on the totem pole.

Silver Streak..(the Gene Wilder one)..why wreck a good F unit when you can drive a plastic shell over a pickup truck into styrofoam blocks painted to look like a station? And besides.."AmRoad" ? can you say "too cheap to pay for licensing"? Still a funny flick though.

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Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 9:58 AM
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"Disaster on the Coastliner"..THERE was an acadamy award winner Tongue [:P] Just how many FL9s run up and down the west coast's third rail line? Made for TV movie cinematography at its finest!Oops [oops]

"Silver Streak" and "Union Pacific" top my list.

 
I dont think so...."Disaster" featured Amtrak F-40s, I beleive they used the same trainset to film both trains on the collision course (old technic, film it from left side only for one train and from the right side only for the other, all you do is change the numbers on each side) but they were most definetly F40s.  I remember cause I saw the behind the scenes of the climactic crash...

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Posted by Gluefinger on Monday, July 31, 2006 7:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><table class="quoteOuterTable"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/trccs/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>Lord Atmo wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"><br><br>bigger mistake: in the recent film "cars", the vehicles are designed to look modern. the race track, trucks, stadium, even the blimp, all supposed to look modern. after Lightning Mcqueen falls out of Mack on the freeway and goes to chase a truck he thinks is Mack, the truck crosses a railroad crossing that activates before Mcqueen reaches it. the crossbuck looks  NOTHING like the modern ones do. i dont even think it was the white X-shaped sign even. and i KNOW there werent 2 lights flashing, just one over the weird sign.<br><br><br></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

If I recall correctly, it was a wig-wag signal. (of which a few still exist, a good number of which in Wisconsin)
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Posted by acelachaser on Monday, July 31, 2006 6:58 PM

"Disaster on the Coastliner"..THERE was an acadamy award winner Tongue [:P] Just how many FL9s run up and down the west coast's third rail line? Made for TV movie cinematography at its finest!Oops [oops]

"Silver Streak" and "Union Pacific" top my list.

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Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Monday, July 31, 2006 6:19 PM
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Also the other crazy NBC train moment was when an earthquake chased down the Amtrak Empire Builder in the movie 10.5, which was also the least realistic earthquake movie of all time. Cheers! ~METRO

Oh no.....I am quite glad that I missed that part, the entire premise of the movie was so incredibly flawed that a six-year-old who's ever tried to move something heavy could see that it was impossible...

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Posted by GP-9_Man11786 on Monday, July 31, 2006 5:53 PM
My favorites are Silver Streek and Von Ryan's Express. I agree that Atomic Train was an Atomic Bomb. As for Runaway Train, what's with the GP-7s on AAR Trucks instead of Blomberg Trucks?

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Posted by Lord Atmo on Monday, July 31, 2006 4:29 PM
was it high hood? i cant remember... i need to see that movie again

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Posted by vsmith on Monday, July 31, 2006 4:28 PM
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I liked Silver Streak.  Realistic? Nope... not in the least.  Jill Clayburgh was enough to make any man jump between passenger cars!

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Posted by n012944 on Monday, July 31, 2006 3:49 PM
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Groundhog's Day was shot entirely in Illinois. It was a movie contemporary to the time it was shot in the 1990's. The Television Van had a satellite communications! The locomotive appeared to be a BN SD40-2. Yes, there were auto carriers in that train.

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The locomotive was an ex BN SD24, and there where no auto carriers in the train.  I think you might be thinking of the Thrall all door box car that was in the train.  The majority of the film was shot just up the road from IRM in Woodstock.

 

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Posted by Andrew Falconer on Monday, July 31, 2006 3:47 PM

Groundhog's Day was shot entirely in Illinois. It was a movie contemporary to the time it was shot in the 1990's. The Television Van had a satellite communications! The locomotive appeared to be a BN SD40-2. Yes, there were auto carriers in that train.

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Posted by n012944 on Monday, July 31, 2006 3:16 PM
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The original "Silver Streak" from the 1930s is good, as is the "Phantom Express" from the same era.  I have a VHS tape of "Danger Lights" and the story is hokey, but the railroading is great.

Big mistake:  In "Groundhog Day", there are modern stack carriers rolling by on a train even though it is set in the 1960s.

 

The stuff used in Groundhog Day is not that modern at all.  The railroad part of the movie was filmed at the Illinois Railroad Musuem, using their equipment.  It you look hard you can see the trolley wire in one of the shots.

 

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Posted by Hugh Jampton on Monday, July 31, 2006 2:18 PM
Don't forget the classic turkey that is Con Express..
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