RAILFANNING AND VERY HIGH GAS PRICES.

[Anonymous]

....And now in the morning paper we see our government has agreed to open the U S Strategic Oil Reserve to replace the loss from Alaska while that problem is being handled.

So if that is the case, why would the world market shove the price higher since we would not be drawing any more crude from that market....Once again, greed rears it's ughly head...What else...

And of course the article also indicated that would translate to 6 to 10 cents a gal increase in retail price...All the better to add to their wonderful profits. 

It'll get worse.

[Modelcar]

....And now in the morning paper we see our government has agreed to open the U S Strategic Oil Reserve to replace the loss from Alaska while that problem is being handled.

So if that is the case, why would the world market shove the price higher since we would not be drawing any more crude from that market....Once again, greed rears it's ughly head...What else...

And of course the article also indicated that would translate to 6 to 10 cents a gal increase in retail price...All the better to add to their wonderful profits. 

[spbed]

Have U seen this report yet?

 

http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?view=CN&storyID=2006-08-08T163120Z_01_SP179724_RTRIDST_0_MARKETS-OIL-UPDATE-8.XML&rpc=66&type=qcna

 

I AM SO TIRED OF THE SERIOUS PRICE GOUGEING AT THE PUMP. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS. ALLAN.

[Modelcar]

....Let me jump in with my figures for comparison of some wild gasoline prices....In the last 24 hrs or so prices for N L regular here in the Indy / Muncie area made a real nice jump to support their profits...{Whatever they earned over this last quarter}...One day a low of 2.69 and yesterday jumped to 3.19...!!  Now I believe that's a bit much....50 cents a gallon in 24 is something other than normal business practice....

That seems to be just a bit much...Call it what you will but somewhere someplace something is going way out of line...and we, the consumers are of course the victims.....

As for the comment above again of Europe paying X amount for fuel...Apples and oranges again....Much of social structure being paid with excessive taxes over there which is much different than here in our country.

[MichaelSol]

The price of gas is now $3.09. And that's Regular. E10 is much higher. Yesterday it was $2.99. A 10 cent jump in just one day. I went to Fremont today where gas is still $2.99 in some places. Totaly unreal. I think that someone should go to prison for this price gouging none sence. Big oil continues to make billions and billons while we suffer.

ExxonMobil earned 18.35% on sales before taxes in the 2nd Q.

BNSF earned 19.83%.

Shippers are facing very much what you are facing, even a little worse. Except when they have to cut back, people lose their jobs and families are in jeopardy. Not like you, who can't take as many pictures.

But, do you really think Matt Rose ought to go to jail?

Or get a raise?

[solzrules]

The price of gas is now $3.09. And that's Regular. E10 is much higher. Yesterday it was $2.99. A 10 cent jump in just one day. I went to Fremont today where gas is still $2.99 in some places. Totaly unreal. I think that someone should go to prison for this price gouging none sence. Big oil continues to make billions and billons while we suffer.

This may be a dumb question but I'll ask anyway:

Do you have any evidence that gas stations are price gouging?  Or is it just because gas is over 3 dollars a gallon?  In Europe the fix must be in because they are paying in the neighborhood of 7 bucks a gallon.  Maybe everyone should go to prison?

[Anonymous]

The price of gas is now $3.09. And that's Regular. E10 is much higher. Yesterday it was $2.99. A 10 cent jump in just one day. I went to Fremont today where gas is still $2.99 in some places. Totaly unreal. I think that someone should go to prison for this price gouging none sence. Big oil continues to make billions and billons while we suffer.

[Lord Atmo]

heh. i bike. and it's made me skinnier too. had it not been for my love of trains fueling my desire to bike the 7 miles to Altoona, i would never have become such a big biker guy as i am today. in a way, trains have helped me lose weight.

but yeah. i recommend biking if you can. may seem tiresome at first, but you do get used to it and your eagerness to see the trains at your destination (or the lackthereof in Altoona's case) will motivate you

[kkasten]

Tell it to my 6-year old diehard railfan of a son who would like nothing better than to spend all day at the train yard chasing trains.  I have had to tell him a number  of times we cant go because gas is too expensive right now.  Well at least when we go on vacation we will be stopping in Rochelle for a day and a half to watch the trains.  That should satisfy him for a little while.

[doghouse]

BTW- Some people don't have to worry about high gas prices. Some of us drive company vehicles.

 

I hear ya, man!  

 

[spbed]

So you are saying your employer is allowing you to use a company car & paid for the gas to train watch?

 

BTW- Some people don't have to worry about high gas prices. Some of us drive company vehicles.

[chad thomas]

BTW- Some people don't have to worry about high gas prices. Some of us drive company vehicles.

[chad thomas]

And still he never said that it stopped or prohibited people from going fanning.

 

Bert

Don't waste your time Bert. Disinformation central never gets it right.

[n012944]

And still he never said that it stopped or prohibited people from going fanning.

 

Bert

[spbed]

This is asking for peoples thoughts?

ARE YOU STUPID. I JUST TOLD YOU. IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO GO RAILFANNING. MAN.....SOME PEOPLE! YOU HAVE THE GULL TO SAY THAT." src="/trccs/emoticons/icon_smile_angry.gif">

Before speaking for me he should have check out if higher gas prices make it harder for me to rail fan. To speak for all without asking there particular situation is quite silly IMHO. It appears he is assuming cause the hi gas price is going to restrict his train watching that everybody else trains watching is also being restricted by the hi price which I am sure you know is not the case.

 

 

 

I think that where BNSRrailfan derailed is ASSUMING that hi gas prices is prohibiting EVERYBODY from rail fanning.

WRONG

He asked for peoples thoughts, he never said it prohibited people from going out railfanning. 

 

Bert

[Old Foreigner]

The poorest guy over here in Europe is the gas station owner who mostly gets only about 15cts (US) per gallon out of $7. Being retired and nearly 80 now and no longer able to cycle around I had to give up railfan trips. To be correct not only because of the skyrocketing gas prices in my country.   

[n012944]

I think that where BNSRrailfan derailed is ASSUMING that hi gas prices is prohibiting EVERYBODY from rail fanning.

WRONG

He asked for peoples thoughts, he never said it prohibited people from going out railfanning. 

 

Bert

[spbed]

Has not stopped me either & I have 2 cars

 

I see, well it hasn't stopped me, don't have a car

[james saunders]

I see, well it hasn't stopped me, don't have a car

[spbed]

I think that where BNSRrailfan derailed is ASSUMING that hi gas prices is prohibiting EVERYBODY from rail fanning.

 

 

I know BNSFrailfan posted this meaning well, but twits who flame him for just trying to have a say... is well...silly..
 
maybe buy a bike? good exercise, and you can get places quicker where a car can't get you

[james saunders]

I know BNSFrailfan posted this meaning well, but twits who flame him for just trying to have a say... is well...silly..
 
maybe buy a bike? good exercise, and you can get places quicker where a car can't get you

[zinker]

> One result of Carter's 'energy' policy was double digit inflation.

There may well have been a few other reasons for that inflation as well. For one, we were paying off our bills for the Vietnam war during that time.

In any case, either we should have done something back then to fix the problem we have today, or we should be happy with the mess we have today. Ya can't have both.

[solzrules]

...My intent here is not to get political....I do want to enter my thought of the '73-74 economic fiasco caused in large part by our mid east oil supplying Arab friends....Stopping the supply, etc and all the rest resulting in a dumping of the world economy.  Economics spiraled out of control...!  Can't lay all of that blame with President Carter.

True, very true....

[Modelcar]

...My intent here is not to get political....I do want to enter my thought of the '73-74 economic fiasco caused in large part by our mid east oil supplying Arab friends....Stopping the supply, etc and all the rest resulting in a dumping of the world economy.  Economics spiraled out of control...!  Can't lay all of that blame with President Carter.

[solzrules]

all the white house should have done something during last oil crisis of 70s. crisis what crisis?

no one person is responsible for  all oil problems we face.

 i take my mountain bike with  me for resturant fare, a snack at  caseys, library internet,weather,news,trains line. its nothing to ride 10 miles straight when its 95 degrees.

i get online for cheapest gas prices at towns i  go thru to the jctn.  i dive 5 mph slower to save oil.
 buy everything at walmart inc.  groceries.    afew ways to save a green buckeroo.

You may remember that there was a President back then by the name of Jimmy Carter who implemented the countries first Energy Policy. Here is a snippit of his speach to the nation announcing that policy. "Point one: I am tonight setting a clear goal for the energy policy of the United States. Beginning this moment, this nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977 -- never. From now on, every new addition to our demand for energy will be met from our own production and our own conservation. The generation-long growth in our dependence on foreign oil will be stopped dead in its tracks right now and then reversed as we move through the 1980s, for I am tonight setting the further goal of cutting our dependence on foreign oil by one-half by the end of the next decade -- a saving of over 4-1/2 million barrels of imported oil per day. Point two: To ensure that we meet these targets, I will use my presidential authority to set import quotas. I'm announcing tonight that for 1979 and 1980, I will forbid the entry into this country of one drop of foreign oil more than these goals allow. These quotas will ensure a reduction in imports even below the ambitious levels we set at the recent Tokyo summit. Point three: To give us energy security, I am asking for the most massive peacetime commitment of funds and resources in our nation's history to develop America's own alternative sources of fuel -- from coal, from oil shale, from plant products for gasohol, from unconventional gas, from the sun." You can read the entire speach here: So what happened? Ronald Reagen. One of Regan's first acts when he entered the White house was to rip Carter's solar panels off the White House roof and reverse Carter's energy policy. And so here we are all these years later with Carter's predictions coming true.

One result of Carter's 'energy' policy was double digit inflation.  Only a millionare could take out a mortgage as a result.  I suppose, in a way, this was VERY effective at cutting our dependence on foregin oil.  Plunging the economy into a recession is a good way to cut back on all kinds of economic activity.  (Seems to me the railroads suffered a good deal because of this too.)    

[zinker]

<BLOCKQUOTE><table class="quoteOuterTable"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/trccs/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>chicagorails wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4">all the white house should have done something during last oil crisis of 70s. crisis what crisis? <br><br>no one person is responsible for  all oil problems we face.<br><br> i take my mountain bike with  me for resturant fare, a snack at  caseys, library internet,weather,news,trains line. its nothing to ride 10 miles straight when its 95 degrees.<br><br>i get online for cheapest gas prices at towns i  go thru to the jctn.  i dive 5 mph slower to save oil.<br> buy everything at walmart inc.  groceries.    afew ways to save a green buckeroo.<br></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

You may remember that there was a President back then by the name of Jimmy Carter who implemented the countries first Energy Policy. Here is a snippit of his speach to the nation announcing that policy.

"Point one: I am tonight setting a clear goal for the energy policy of the United States. Beginning this moment, this nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977 -- never. From now on, every new addition to our demand for energy will be met from our own production and our own conservation. The generation-long growth in our dependence on foreign oil will be stopped dead in its tracks right now and then reversed as we move through the 1980s, for I am tonight setting the further goal of cutting our dependence on foreign oil by one-half by the end of the next decade -- a saving of over 4-1/2 million barrels of imported oil per day.

Point two: To ensure that we meet these targets, I will use my presidential authority to set import quotas. I'm announcing tonight that for 1979 and 1980, I will forbid the entry into this country of one drop of foreign oil more than these goals allow. These quotas will ensure a reduction in imports even below the ambitious levels we set at the recent Tokyo summit.

Point three: To give us energy security, I am asking for the most massive peacetime commitment of funds and resources in our nation's history to develop America's own alternative sources of fuel -- from coal, from oil shale, from plant products for gasohol, from unconventional gas, from the sun."

You can read the entire speach here:

<http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps_crisis.html>

So what happened? Ronald Reagen. One of Regan's first acts when he entered the White house was to rip Carter's solar panels off the White House roof and reverse Carter's energy policy. And so here we are all these years later with Carter's predictions coming true.

[zugmann]

Oh I do go Railfanning. I go local.

There you go - that's a good way to save gas. 

[Anonymous]

Honestly,

If you can't afford the gas, then don't go railfanning.  It is that simple. The world won't end if you can't drive to see trains. 

Oh I do go Railfanning. I go local.

[zugmann]

Honestly,

If you can't afford the gas, then don't go railfanning.  It is that simple. The world won't end if you can't drive to see trains.