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Posted by zgardner18 on Friday, July 28, 2006 10:40 AM

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Here is us taking back Southern Pacific.

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Posted by zgardner18 on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 2:52 PM
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Chad,

I think we need to bring back the Olympic themed SD40 too.  It's too bad BN crashed it.

 

 You did notice my avatar right. I caught her in Oakland back in 86'.

Chad,

I did notice your avatar and that is why I brought it up.  You're a lucky man to have seen it. 

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Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 2:35 PM
 zgardner18 wrote:

Chad,

I think we need to bring back the Olympic themed SD40 too.  It's too bad BN crashed it.

 

 You did notice my avatar right. I caught her in Oakland back in 86'.

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Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 2:34 PM

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WOW! way to fly off the handle. what kind of a baffoon do you take me for? do you know what i even MEANT by "bloody noses"? try looking at SP's last scheme. note how only the loco's NOSE is red. the nickname came from there. i post ONE sentance about CNW in an SP thread and get blown up at. you dont see me complaining when someone posts things about Rock Island in my CNW thread, do you?

i said it once and i'll say it again, it was the SP merger that led me to hating UP, NOT the CNW merger. i miss the grey locomotives with red noses like everyone else and even remember seeing one in altoona only once. before the merger! THAT was a day i'll always remember.

but the one thing i truly miss most of all came before my time and before the diesels. i would have loved to have seen the 4-8-4 daylight, the greatest steamer to ever ride the rails! please god someone tell me there's at least one of those still around. displayed, running excursions, anything!

First of all nobody is flying off the handle, I am just tired of your UP bashing, and I'm sure many will agree with me. And you have posted WAY more then one sentance of deragatory UP remarks.

And yes there is a 4-8-4 Daylight left. It's the SP 4449 and it gets out a couple times a year for excoursion duty. Unfortunately the UP is not receptive to the 4449 because they have there own steam fleet so it's a bit of an orphan. It still gets out on the BNSF and P&W though. When not on the road it is kept at the Brooklyn roundhouse in Portland, Or. with stablemate SP&S 700 (also a running northern) and a few other locos includeing Doyle McCormak's exD&H PA (being restored as a Nickle Plate unit) and a ex AMT F40PH.

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Posted by zgardner18 on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 1:44 PM

Chad,

I think we need to bring back the Olympic themed SD40 too.  It's too bad BN crashed it.

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Posted by Lord Atmo on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 1:36 PM
WOW! way to fly off the handle. what kind of a baffoon do you take me for? do you know what i even MEANT by "bloody noses"? try looking at SP's last scheme. note how only the loco's NOSE is red. the nickname came from there. i post ONE sentance about CNW in an SP thread and get blown up at. you dont see me complaining when someone posts things about Rock Island in my CNW thread, do you?

i said it once and i'll say it again, it was the SP merger that led me to hating UP, NOT the CNW merger. i miss the grey locomotives with red noses like everyone else and even remember seeing one in altoona only once. before the merger! THAT was a day i'll always remember.

but the one thing i truly miss most of all came before my time and before the diesels. i would have loved to have seen the 4-8-4 daylight, the greatest steamer to ever ride the rails! please god someone tell me there's at least one of those still around. displayed, running excursions, anything!

Your friendly neighborhood CNW fan.

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Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:12 AM
 Lord Atmo wrote:
 zgardner18 wrote:

All I can say is that the Pass and the Loop aren't the same without Southern Pacific.  Union Pacific on the Palmdale Cutoff is just like a fish out of water, and double goes for the Loop.  It's just wrong. 

I think that we all should put our heads and wallets together and start up a new Southern Pacific and buy back their lines little by little.  Who's with me?



i'm in. bring back CNW too. just give UP lots of hell for all the history they desecrated. i would love to see bloody noses on the rails again. armour yellow in a snowy setting? that does NOT look right!

Dude,

No offence but I think I speak for all of us when I say quit your whineing about UP. It's getting real old. Besides, this is a SP thread, not a UP thread, not a CNW thread, but an SP thread.

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Posted by Lord Atmo on Monday, July 24, 2006 7:10 PM
 zgardner18 wrote:

All I can say is that the Pass and the Loop aren't the same without Southern Pacific.  Union Pacific on the Palmdale Cutoff is just like a fish out of water, and double goes for the Loop.  It's just wrong. 

I think that we all should put our heads and wallets together and start up a new Southern Pacific and buy back their lines little by little.  Who's with me?



i'm in. bring back CNW too. just give UP lots of hell for all the history they desecrated. i would love to see bloody noses on the rails again. armour yellow in a snowy setting? that does NOT look right!

Your friendly neighborhood CNW fan.

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Posted by silicon212 on Monday, July 24, 2006 5:04 PM
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How often do you get over now Silicon?   My son and I  (he's 6) try and get over there once or twice a month.  During the winter, maybe once a week, for a quick sneal peek or somthing.  Usually try and catch thm up around the east side yard in down town Mesa switching out.   During the summer, maybe 3 times, its just too hot to drag a kid.   We usually hit the local in the evening after I get home from work around 7ish.

What part of town do you live in?   I am with a couple miles of the Mesa Office.

I haven't gotten over there much lately (been dealing with car gremlins such as a broken transmission sun shell), but generally when I am in the area and they're switching in there, you'll see me (driving an old, white Chevy ex-police car).  I'm in the Broadway/Dobson area.  I see mostly the mainline drags, and occasionally a Phoenix-based local (power lately has been a pair of freshly painted ex-SP 4800 class GP38-2s - one already has graffitti on it (977?)).

Still waiting to see an SD70ACe, but I have seen an SD90MAC-H.

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Posted by canazar on Monday, July 24, 2006 4:58 PM

How often do you get over now Silicon?   My son and I  (he's 6) try and get over there once or twice a month.  During the winter, maybe once a week, for a quick sneal peek or somthing.  Usually try and catch thm up around the east side yard in down town Mesa switching out.   During the summer, maybe 3 times, its just too hot to drag a kid.   We usually hit the local in the evening after I get home from work around 7ish.

What part of town do you live in?   I am with a couple miles of the Mesa Office.

Best Regards, Big John

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Posted by silicon212 on Monday, July 24, 2006 4:50 PM
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 silicon212 wrote:

"7132 East with engineer Jones, you are authorized work and time in 3 blocks, Mesa through Magma, until 3am"

"7132 East with engineer Jones, I am authorized work and time in 3 blocks, Mesa through Magma, until 3am .."

"7132 East that is correct"

BRING BACK DTC!

 

Hey!  Thats my stomping grounds....   I admit, with everyone so scattered over the country, its pretty weird to see someone talk about my back yard.

I am sorry to say but the UP is all ready startign to double up the Sunset route.   Maybe start to see if the UP wants to spin off local routes like BNSF has.   Start there.

 

It's my stomping grounds, too.  I still have my 1992 SPINS booklet somewhere (actually, two copies) along with a November 1990 (4) and a 1992 timetable, and the 1990 GCOR in a binder.  The SPINS booklet details all of the sidings and spur tracks, what their number on the switchboard is, where they are and what industries they served.  In my copies are all of the industries commonly served by the Magma Turn local, along the Phoenix line from the beginning of the Tempe block (24th st), to the Coolidge block and the entire Chandler Branch down to Dock.

I still have an anniversary Starlite lantern that was given to me by "Boomer" in 1991.

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Posted by canazar on Monday, July 24, 2006 4:42 PM
 silicon212 wrote:

"7132 East with engineer Jones, you are authorized work and time in 3 blocks, Mesa through Magma, until 3am"

"7132 East with engineer Jones, I am authorized work and time in 3 blocks, Mesa through Magma, until 3am .."

"7132 East that is correct"

BRING BACK DTC!

 

Hey!  Thats my stomping grounds....   I admit, with everyone so scattered over the country, its pretty weird to see someone talk about my back yard.

I am sorry to say but the UP is all ready startign to double up the Sunset route.   Maybe start to see if the UP wants to spin off local routes like BNSF has.   Start there.

Best Regards, Big John

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Posted by zgardner18 on Monday, July 24, 2006 4:07 PM

 doghouse wrote:
Start with the 'Sunset,' double track it, and watch the cash roll in.  From there, you could buy back the rest.  One step at  a time, gentlemen.My 2 cents [2c]  

Then, "Just smile and wave, boys. Just smile and wave."

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Posted by silicon212 on Monday, July 24, 2006 4:07 PM

"7132 East with engineer Jones, you are authorized work and time in 3 blocks, Mesa through Magma, until 3am"

"7132 East with engineer Jones, I am authorized work and time in 3 blocks, Mesa through Magma, until 3am .."

"7132 East that is correct"

BRING BACK DTC!

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Posted by KCSfan on Monday, July 24, 2006 4:06 PM

I live on the old SP "Rabbit Line" (so named because years ago when it was the Houston East & West Texas the trains would so frequently jump the track) which runs from Shreveport, LA to Houston. The Commerce Street yard alongside the Red River in Shreveport was a classification yard where the Cotton Belt's Shreveport Subdivision off the SSW main line at Lewisville, AR terminated and the SP began. Trains were made up here and engines and crews changed. The UP tore up most of the yard recently leaving only about six tracks. The good news is that this line is much busier now than in the SP/Cotton Belt days. It is now southbound directional running and is part of the main UP line from Chicago, St.Louis and Memphis to Houston and East Texas. The old MoPac line is the northbound leg of this route. Most trains are now runthroughs with a crew change here in Shreveport and it is not uncommon to see 3 or 4 at a time waiting for their clearance to proceed south. Only a few miles from the Commerce Street yard to the crossing of the ex- T&P Dallas to New Orleans main is signalled. The old lower quadrant semaphores were replaced by searchlights about 30 years ago. Except for this short stretch the route both north and south of Shreveport is dark territory. Still see some SP, Cotton Belt and Rio Grande patch jobs here but everything is increasingly Armour Yellow..

 

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Posted by chad thomas on Monday, July 24, 2006 4:00 PM
 zgardner18 wrote:

 chad thomas wrote:
I say the whole darn system. We can spin off the DRGW lines to pay for re-installing the Modoc line and reopening the Pheonix-Welton line. What the heck, lets make the WP rise again while we are at it. I hear Bill Gates invests in railroads, think mabee he'll float us a loan?

Feather River would be nice

Especially if the WPRM rent a loco program was expanded to cover the whole Canyon sub.

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Posted by doghouse on Monday, July 24, 2006 3:58 PM
Start with the 'Sunset,' double track it, and watch the cash roll in.  From there, you could buy back the rest.  One step at  a time, gentlemen.My 2 cents [2c]  
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Posted by chad thomas on Monday, July 24, 2006 3:56 PM
 zgardner18 wrote:

In all honesty, nothing would get done with a bunch of railfans running Southern Pacific, 'cause we'd all be out taking pictures of ourselves with the fleet.

Tennesse Pass would be open again.

 

Not me. I'd be in the right hand seat of a tunnel motor wearing a mile wide smile.

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Posted by zgardner18 on Monday, July 24, 2006 3:53 PM

 chad thomas wrote:
I say the whole darn system. We can spin off the DRGW lines to pay for re-installing the Modoc line and reopening the Pheonix-Welton line. What the heck, lets make the WP rise again while we are at it. I hear Bill Gates invests in railroads, think mabee he'll float us a loan?

Feather River would be nice

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Posted by zgardner18 on Monday, July 24, 2006 3:52 PM

In all honesty, nothing would get done with a bunch of railfans running Southern Pacific, 'cause we'd all be out taking pictures of ourselves with the fleet.

Tennesse Pass would be open again.

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Posted by chad thomas on Monday, July 24, 2006 3:49 PM
I say the whole darn system. We can spin off the DRGW lines to pay for re-installing the Modoc line and reopening the Pheonix-Welton line. What the heck, lets make the WP rise again while we are at it. I hear Bill Gates invests in railroads, think mabee he'll float us a loan?
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Posted by silicon212 on Monday, July 24, 2006 3:45 PM

 chad thomas wrote:
And the first order of bussiness should be to buy back all the tunnel motors and paint them back to bloody nose colors. The second order of bussiness should be to get rid of TWC and bring back the DTC blocks.

 

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Posted by zgardner18 on Monday, July 24, 2006 3:41 PM

Question is: do we start in Southern California or Northern California?  I want the Pass and the Loop but what about Donner?

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Posted by chad thomas on Monday, July 24, 2006 3:28 PM
And of course 4449 excursions will be manditory.
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Posted by zgardner18 on Monday, July 24, 2006 3:23 PM
We'll run the baywindow cabooses too!

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Posted by chad thomas on Monday, July 24, 2006 3:22 PM
And the first order of bussiness should be to buy back all the tunnel motors and paint them back to bloody nose colors. The second order of bussiness should be to get rid of TWC and bring back the DTC blocks.
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Posted by chad thomas on Monday, July 24, 2006 3:19 PM
 zgardner18 wrote:

All I can say is that the Pass and the Loop arn't the same without Southern Pacific.  Union Pacific on the Palmdale Cutoff is just like a fish out of water, and double goes for the Loop.  It's just wrong. 

I think that we all should put our heads and wallets together and start up a new Southern Pacific and buy back there lines little by little.  Who's with me?

 

I'm Down with that !!!!

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Posted by zgardner18 on Monday, July 24, 2006 3:14 PM

All I can say is that the Pass and the Loop aren't the same without Southern Pacific.  Union Pacific on the Palmdale Cutoff is just like a fish out of water, and double goes for the Loop.  It's just wrong. 

I think that we all should put our heads and wallets together and start up a new Southern Pacific and buy back their lines little by little.  Who's with me?

--Zak Gardner

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Posted by chad thomas on Monday, July 24, 2006 9:23 AM
Thanks for the link Eric. You had to like the accessability of the SP.
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Posted by Train 284 on Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:34 AM
Southern Pacific is my favorite railroad, if you have not seen my signiture yet.

I love the cab forwards, northerns and consolidations the best. Of course, one of my favorite northerns............4449!
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