light rail definition

[TH&B]

Diesel RTs are available and do exist. Ottawa has a diesel RT service on ex CPR single track. It was apparently very cheap to set up and operate. The trains themselves are "off the shelf" by Bomardier.

[TH&B]

Diesel RTs are available and do exist. Ottawa has a diesel RT service on ex CPR single track. It was apparently very cheap to set up and operate. The trains themselves are "off the shelf" by Bomardier.

[michaelstevens]

Kenneo is correct -- the FRA's definition of a Light Rail Vehicle has everything to do with the "buffing strength". Kenneo may well also be correct about that 400 ton capacity (against deformation) figure.
As a matter of fact; NJ Transit, Bechtel and Bombardier are close to completion of a "Light Rail Transit System" which uses diesel powered multiple units, primarily on the 35 mile former (Conrail Shared Assets) Bordentown Sub., between Camden and Trenton New Jersey.
The FRA has stipulated that there must not be any possibility of LRV's ever occupying the same tracks as freight trains (locomotives or cars), to which end; LIght Rail operations will be restricted to between 06:00 and 24:00, then freight trains (by trackage rights) will only be allowed during the remaining night-time hours.
What may also be of interest is that embedded tracks have also been constructed from the South end of CR's Pavonia Yard, thru Camden's city streets, to the Delaware River waterfront, enabling the LRV passengers to interchange with the PATCO subway (to Philadelphia) or even river taxis etc.

[michaelstevens]

Kenneo is correct -- the FRA's definition of a Light Rail Vehicle has everything to do with the "buffing strength". Kenneo may well also be correct about that 400 ton capacity (against deformation) figure.
As a matter of fact; NJ Transit, Bechtel and Bombardier are close to completion of a "Light Rail Transit System" which uses diesel powered multiple units, primarily on the 35 mile former (Conrail Shared Assets) Bordentown Sub., between Camden and Trenton New Jersey.
The FRA has stipulated that there must not be any possibility of LRV's ever occupying the same tracks as freight trains (locomotives or cars), to which end; LIght Rail operations will be restricted to between 06:00 and 24:00, then freight trains (by trackage rights) will only be allowed during the remaining night-time hours.
What may also be of interest is that embedded tracks have also been constructed from the South end of CR's Pavonia Yard, thru Camden's city streets, to the Delaware River waterfront, enabling the LRV passengers to interchange with the PATCO subway (to Philadelphia) or even river taxis etc.

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

[:)] Dirty Bird: Thank you! I would have asked had you not explained - you know that!
[;)] That's a well trained dirty bird! .....Not happy until I go out and roll in the dirt prior to going to work!....Congrats on star #4!!!

I was so busy working on my acceptance speech, I totally missed it! Hmm..

Been one upped by a bird...and have a snake hot on my heels...Don't the railroads use names like - waterfall, pitter-patter, blue skies - instead they have muddy chickens, snakes, hogs and who knows what else. A real zoo!

And you can't prove a Mookie is a cat, either, so no arguments there!

[8D]

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

[:)] Dirty Bird: Thank you! I would have asked had you not explained - you know that!
[;)] That's a well trained dirty bird! .....Not happy until I go out and roll in the dirt prior to going to work!....Congrats on star #4!!!

I was so busy working on my acceptance speech, I totally missed it! Hmm..

Been one upped by a bird...and have a snake hot on my heels...Don't the railroads use names like - waterfall, pitter-patter, blue skies - instead they have muddy chickens, snakes, hogs and who knows what else. A real zoo!

And you can't prove a Mookie is a cat, either, so no arguments there!

[8D]

[edblysard]

If Mookie has no kitty cat eyes,
then why one paw on the cake,
and one on the pies?
edSnake

[edblysard]

If Mookie has no kitty cat eyes,
then why one paw on the cake,
and one on the pies?
edSnake

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

If Mookie has no kitty cat eyes,
then why one paw on the cake,
and one on the pies?
edSnake

Don't need no personal data manager to keep track of life's important things!

Mookie

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

If Mookie has no kitty cat eyes,
then why one paw on the cake,
and one on the pies?
edSnake

Don't need no personal data manager to keep track of life's important things!

Mookie

[Anonymous]

LIGHT RAIL IS JUST ANOTHER AND MODERN NAME FOR A TROLLEY.

[Anonymous]

LIGHT RAIL IS JUST ANOTHER AND MODERN NAME FOR A TROLLEY.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

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[mudchicken]

"shame-on"! brudda......

[mudchicken]

"shame-on"! brudda......

[cabforward]

would appreciate details on houston metro.. is it in service now, where to? what is planned, where to?

can you believe new yorkers pronounce houston (YOU-ston) as HOW-ston??

the 'soho' district in new york means SOuth-of-HOu-ston..

[cabforward]

would appreciate details on houston metro.. is it in service now, where to? what is planned, where to?

can you believe new yorkers pronounce houston (YOU-ston) as HOW-ston??

the 'soho' district in new york means SOuth-of-HOu-ston..

[Anonymous]

Obviously, once a commuter rail is in place, Mudchicken suggested a DMU, you would hope the cities of Omaha and Lincoln bus transit systems would link. As it is I doubt whether Amtrak's California Zephyr service is enough, one daily in each direction is never enough. One, two, or three trainsets such as what Keeno suggested could possibly provide an hourly service, much better than any airliner I know of linking Omaha to Lincoln. When I think of light rail, as DART has, service is much more like a subway, every 5, 10, to 20 minutes. While light rail on streets is similar to a trolley, how many trolleys have you seen have 3 to 5 cars? How many buses have the sitting capacity of 3 to 5 light rail cars?

[Anonymous]

Obviously, once a commuter rail is in place, Mudchicken suggested a DMU, you would hope the cities of Omaha and Lincoln bus transit systems would link. As it is I doubt whether Amtrak's California Zephyr service is enough, one daily in each direction is never enough. One, two, or three trainsets such as what Keeno suggested could possibly provide an hourly service, much better than any airliner I know of linking Omaha to Lincoln. When I think of light rail, as DART has, service is much more like a subway, every 5, 10, to 20 minutes. While light rail on streets is similar to a trolley, how many trolleys have you seen have 3 to 5 cars? How many buses have the sitting capacity of 3 to 5 light rail cars?

[Anonymous]

Yes, they're planning a diesel-powered light rail...the Hudson-Bergen light rail line, on the original Camden & Amboy route in Joisey. But you all are missing the TRUE definition of "light rail": A system of tracks typically over-built for the service expected, heavily subsidized by some poor slobs in Idaho, for the enrichment of the political classes by the contractors' purchasing favors. [hence, the contractors are "lighter" after paying the politicals.] Note there is no mention of "break even", let alone "profit."

[Anonymous]

Yes, they're planning a diesel-powered light rail...the Hudson-Bergen light rail line, on the original Camden & Amboy route in Joisey. But you all are missing the TRUE definition of "light rail": A system of tracks typically over-built for the service expected, heavily subsidized by some poor slobs in Idaho, for the enrichment of the political classes by the contractors' purchasing favors. [hence, the contractors are "lighter" after paying the politicals.] Note there is no mention of "break even", let alone "profit."

[dehusman]

Light rail doesn't have to be electric. There are deisel powered cars. Heavy rail doesn't have to go long distances between stops, the grandpappy of commuter RR's the PRR Main Line had stations every mile or two.

And electric doesn't necessarily move the point of emissions someplace else as someone else has suggested. There are other sources of power (hydroelectric) and cleaner fuels than diesel (natural gas).

One of the reasons they are talking about and not building the Omaha-Lincoln light rail line is it isn't economically feasible.

[dehusman]

Light rail doesn't have to be electric. There are deisel powered cars. Heavy rail doesn't have to go long distances between stops, the grandpappy of commuter RR's the PRR Main Line had stations every mile or two.

And electric doesn't necessarily move the point of emissions someplace else as someone else has suggested. There are other sources of power (hydroelectric) and cleaner fuels than diesel (natural gas).

One of the reasons they are talking about and not building the Omaha-Lincoln light rail line is it isn't economically feasible.

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

Light rail doesn't have to be electric. There are deisel powered cars. Heavy rail doesn't have to go long distances between stops, the grandpappy of commuter RR's the PRR Main Line had stations every mile or two.

And electric doesn't necessarily move the point of emissions someplace else as someone else has suggested. There are other sources of power (hydroelectric) and cleaner fuels than diesel (natural gas).

One of the reasons they are talking about and not building the Omaha-Lincoln light rail line is it isn't economically feasible.

Well, duh - who was the Einstein that figured that one out! But they will spend a lot of money asking professionals and debating the issue, only to find out, they can't do it. I don't figure the people in Lincoln at least, would ever give it that much business. Omaha and Lincoln are pretty different - maybe Omaha would give it a shake, but doubt if we would here in Lincoln.

Jen

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

Light rail doesn't have to be electric. There are deisel powered cars. Heavy rail doesn't have to go long distances between stops, the grandpappy of commuter RR's the PRR Main Line had stations every mile or two.

And electric doesn't necessarily move the point of emissions someplace else as someone else has suggested. There are other sources of power (hydroelectric) and cleaner fuels than diesel (natural gas).

One of the reasons they are talking about and not building the Omaha-Lincoln light rail line is it isn't economically feasible.

Well, duh - who was the Einstein that figured that one out! But they will spend a lot of money asking professionals and debating the issue, only to find out, they can't do it. I don't figure the people in Lincoln at least, would ever give it that much business. Omaha and Lincoln are pretty different - maybe Omaha would give it a shake, but doubt if we would here in Lincoln.

Jen

[mudchicken]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman


And electric doesn't necessarily move the point of emissions someplace else as someone else has suggested. There are other sources of power (hydroelectric) and cleaner fuels than diesel (natural gas).

Please go back and look at the context of how that statement started. If you think the same amount of electricity that leaves the plant gets to the end user, you are most assuredly dreaming. Haven't seen a large hyroelectic project in Nebraska and doubt many more, if any, will be built. On a locomotive, power plant to end user is no more than 70 feet - damn efficient!, considering the alternatives.[}:)]

Fe Feathers

[mudchicken]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman


And electric doesn't necessarily move the point of emissions someplace else as someone else has suggested. There are other sources of power (hydroelectric) and cleaner fuels than diesel (natural gas).

Please go back and look at the context of how that statement started. If you think the same amount of electricity that leaves the plant gets to the end user, you are most assuredly dreaming. Haven't seen a large hyroelectic project in Nebraska and doubt many more, if any, will be built. On a locomotive, power plant to end user is no more than 70 feet - damn efficient!, considering the alternatives.[}:)]

Fe Feathers

[Mookie]

Fe Feathers? I like that!

Moo

[Mookie]

Fe Feathers? I like that!

Moo