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Posted by broncoman on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:37 PM

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I heard they are going to keep it on the I-5 coridor for now. Mabee I'll get lucky and catch it in Cajon next weekend. Wouldn't that be cool Brian.Wink [;)]

Has it left Roseville yet.  It was still in the shop in Roseville on Sunday night?

 

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Posted by senshi on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 2:58 PM
The SP heritage loco istied for second in my book.  I personlly find the DRG&W heritage to look teh best to me.  Then comes C&NW and SP at a tie right behind.

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Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:38 PM
I heard they are going to keep it on the I-5 coridor for now. Mabee I'll get lucky and catch it in Cajon next weekend. Wouldn't that be cool Brian.Wink [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:16 AM
Yeah it's nice, but will it ever make its way over to the eastern part of the old SP. I live within 2hrs of ex-MP,MKT,and SP tracks but the MP and MKT heritage units seem locked between St. Louis and Chicago.
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Posted by METRO on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:57 AM
See now this is a beautiful engine. I've been hoping that there would be a heritage engine with some cuves to it rather than all of the angular engines we've seen. Great art-deco revival thing going on. Now why couldn't they make the CNW unit look that good? Haha!

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Posted by UPTRAIN on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:20 AM

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the MKT unit used a scheme i cant even find pictures of on railpix. it really should have been green with the tiger striped nose or something.

 

MKT painted their diesels red from the 1940's to the 1970's.  They recreated the pickle and mustard scheme by alternating the two different hues of red.

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Posted by mudchicken on Monday, August 21, 2006 9:53 PM
Throw dirt on it or leave it in a tunnel for a few hours (and bake to suit)Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]
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Posted by solzrules on Monday, August 21, 2006 9:26 PM
IT looks okay, I guess.  I was really hoping for a bloody-nose job like their later diesels had.  It'll have to do. 
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Posted by Bob-Fryml on Monday, August 21, 2006 5:20 PM

UP 1996 looks really striking all dressed-up in its pseudo, quasi, ersatz, combined "Daylight" and "Black Widow" paint schemes.  The equipment below the frame painted either light gray or silver really sets off the locomotive body decoration well.  And the name "SOUTHERN PACIFIC" appearing on the side of this locomotive in a railroad roman font adds to the class of the unit.

But I have one question about one of the colors used.

Did the paint shop that decorated this unit use an industrial laquer for the red striping (something like Dupont Imron), or did they apply multiple coats of red ink left over from the Espee's accounting department?

 

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Posted by Railfan1 on Monday, August 21, 2006 3:53 PM

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I think it looks good but when will some of the heritage units make it into georgia on some run through trains

It will probably be a while, we will have to wait for the new to wear off.

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Posted by chad thomas on Monday, August 21, 2006 3:47 PM
Well it doesn't make me want to vomit like I expected I would. Actually I would have rather seen something like the bloody nose scheme. But I must admit it is a nice looking unit.
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Posted by videomaker on Monday, August 21, 2006 3:38 PM
I agree with with you Silicon,but I dont see anything blackwidow about it, other than the black top...Looks more daylight to me..Compare it to 4449 and see what I mean...My 2 cents [2c] Danny 
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Posted by Lord Atmo on Monday, August 21, 2006 1:58 AM
and it really does look nice on the black like that. i REALLY want to see this thing in person

anyone have any night time shots of it?

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Posted by silicon212 on Monday, August 21, 2006 1:25 AM

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I would definately say that the later heritage units are looking better and better, but I don't think this was the best daylight scheme.  First of all, it looks terrible on those silver trucks.  The daylight, in order to be bright, was designed for black trucks - let the strips stand out on its own.  I might have done a black underdarriage, but left the fuel tank silver (there would have been some silver on the grids of the E8)  Second of all, there are a few too many stripes.  Thin up the red ones on the nose, and on the black band at the bottom of the cab, get rid of the middle stripe entirely.  That, and at least use decent numbers on the side of the cab - not that thick plain lettering.

This was a good comparison : E8 in daylight, and the heritage unit.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=155741


Keep in mind that although the daylight type scheme is dominant, this is actually a mixture of elements from both Daylight and Black Widow.  Pure Daylight it ain't, plus the red is too bright.

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Posted by cpbloom on Sunday, August 20, 2006 9:56 PM
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It looks great but my money is still on Katy as the best heritage unit.

Sorry man, but I say the SP herritage unit looks catchy, but not all that good. My money is on the CN&W herritage unit.

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Posted by Lord Atmo on Sunday, August 20, 2006 9:17 PM
the MKT unit used a scheme i cant even find pictures of on railpix. it really should have been green with the tiger striped nose or something.

which is why i must say i greatly prefer this SP one to that.

are all those white stripes seriously scotchlight tape?!?!   DUDE!!!   i have GOT to see this come to Altoona sometime at night. i need a picture of that reflective tape glowing and making this beast come to life!

i like the paint style. i find that the way they used black paint and the daylight parts really makes this locomotive look nice. here's hoping it finds its way up here to Altoona!

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Posted by bushhog8fan on Sunday, August 20, 2006 7:26 PM
I think it looks good but when will some of the heritage units make it into georgia on some run through trains
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Posted by stmtrolleyguy on Sunday, August 20, 2006 6:33 PM
I would definately say that the later heritage units are looking better and better, but I don't think this was the best daylight scheme.  First of all, it looks terrible on those silver trucks.  The daylight, in order to be bright, was designed for black trucks - let the strips stand out on its own.  I might have done a black underdarriage, but left the fuel tank silver (there would have been some silver on the grids of the E8)  Second of all, there are a few too many stripes.  Thin up the red ones on the nose, and on the black band at the bottom of the cab, get rid of the middle stripe entirely.  That, and at least use decent numbers on the side of the cab - not that thick plain lettering.

This was a good comparison : E8 in daylight, and the heritage unit.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=155741


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Posted by Glen Ellyn on Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:56 AM

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It looks great but my money is still on Katy as the best heritage unit.

Sorry man, but I say the SP herritage unit looks catchy, but not all that good. My money is on the CN&W herritage unit.

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Posted by Andrew Falconer on Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:02 AM

Those stripes are all retroreflective decals. These stripes will look brilliant at night with the right light source shining on them from the direction of the camera.

When will the nightime photos be taken of all the UP Heritage SD70ACe Locos?

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Posted by cpbloom on Sunday, August 20, 2006 5:40 AM
It looks great but my money is still on Katy as the best heritage unit.
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Posted by ValorStorm on Sunday, August 20, 2006 2:35 AM

 zugmann wrote:

And I still think it's UGLY.



I'm trying hard to disagree...but it's difficult. The SP Heritage unit obviously appeals to the younger forum members. I think an updated Black Widow scheme would've rocked. The D&RGW unit remains the clear winner for me.

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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, August 19, 2006 11:06 PM
Dude... it's just PAINT.

Calm down - you'll live longer.

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Posted by UPTRAIN on Saturday, August 19, 2006 10:46 PM
I really don't care if anybody likes it, I just get fricken tired of people talking about how good/bad it is and how good/bad UP and anybody else is.  Let there be rivalry, but there's way too much tension.  I'm out.

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Posted by Lord Atmo on Saturday, August 19, 2006 10:46 PM
oh man. daylight on black. that looks so nice. me likey. i still wanna see an all-heritage consist towing a manifest of record length. have it start at the east coast and go all across the USA. THAT would truly make any "building america special" look spectacular. and i think that SD70ACE UP 8444 should be in the consist. what a train

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Posted by n012944 on Saturday, August 19, 2006 9:59 PM
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I should have know the UP/Heritage Haters would decend on this topic.  Why do these things always have to be critiqued? 

 

Because that is what people do when something new comes out.  Just because the UP is doing something different does not mean everyone has to like it.

 

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Posted by silicon212 on Saturday, August 19, 2006 9:58 PM
 UPTRAIN wrote:

 zugmann wrote:
ACK.

Did they pay the stripe painter by the foot?????

That is way too busy and complex.  Does not fit the style of the locomotive.


(an easterner's opinion)

 

I should have know the UP/Heritage Haters would decend on this topic.  Why do these things always have to be critiqued?  What does, "Each locomotive will feature a unique paint scheme, incorporating elements of one of the six major railroads that have merged with Union Pacific." mean to the people who gripe at these?  They're unique paint schemes, not replications.  Dang.  And no, the "stripe painter" didn't get paid by the foot...they are reflective decals.

For those who think it's bloody nose and not daylight: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=155683 .  I thought it was all scarlett red.

 

Now for me, I like the fact they incorpertated the daylight steam type of paint diagram, I like more black than what was on the diesels, and the transition between the Black Widow and the Daylight, I think that part it simply a bit of genious!

The diesel Daylight Red is not as bright as Scarlet Red - go into a modeling shop and look at the two different colors.

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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, August 19, 2006 9:53 PM
I'll critique what I want to critique, thank you very much.


And I am not a UP hater ... I make fun of UP haters.

And I still think it's UGLY.



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Posted by UPTRAIN on Saturday, August 19, 2006 9:44 PM

 zugmann wrote:
ACK.

Did they pay the stripe painter by the foot?????

That is way too busy and complex.  Does not fit the style of the locomotive.


(an easterner's opinion)

 

I should have know the UP/Heritage Haters would decend on this topic.  Why do these things always have to be critiqued?  What does, "Each locomotive will feature a unique paint scheme, incorporating elements of one of the six major railroads that have merged with Union Pacific." mean to the people who gripe at these?  They're unique paint schemes, not replications.  Dang.  And no, the "stripe painter" didn't get paid by the foot...they are reflective decals.

For those who think it's bloody nose and not daylight: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=155683 .  I thought it was all scarlett red.

 

Now for me, I like the fact they incorpertated the daylight steam type of paint diagram, I like more black than what was on the diesels, and the transition between the Black Widow and the Daylight, I think that part it simply a bit of genious!

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Posted by ericsp on Saturday, August 19, 2006 9:26 PM
I must admit, it is not as bad as I thought it would be. I do agree that there are too many stripes, but it is fairly close to the Daylight scheme.

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Posted by SchemerBob on Saturday, August 19, 2006 9:23 PM
Even though I wanted the bloody nose paint scheme, I have to tell you...THIS ENGINE LOOKS GREAT!! I never thought they would re-create two of the SP's paint schemes so well. I never really expected the Daylight scheme to work well on the ACe, but it looks awesome. Good job UP!
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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, August 19, 2006 9:23 PM
ACK.

Did they pay the stripe painter by the foot?????

That is way too busy and complex.  Does not fit the style of the locomotive.


(an easterner's opinion)

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Posted by james saunders on Saturday, August 19, 2006 9:07 PM
All seriousness, it looks like they got better with time, this is the best one!!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 19, 2006 8:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><table class="quoteOuterTable"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/trccs/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>james saunders wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"><font face="Verdana"><font color="#ff0000">mmmmm....</font><br><br><img src="http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e303/OZJIM/Random%20stuff/drool.png" border="0" /><br><font color="#ffa500"><br>Southern </font><font color="#ff0000">Pacific </font><font color="#ffa500">Heritage</font> <font color="#ff0000">unit...</font><br></font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Posted by james saunders on Saturday, August 19, 2006 7:14 PM
mmmmm....



Southern
Pacific Heritage unit...

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Posted by Railfan1 on Saturday, August 19, 2006 4:16 PM
The best one yet.Smile [:)]
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Posted by silicon212 on Saturday, August 19, 2006 3:20 PM

 fuzzybroken wrote:
  And is that red Daylight Red, or Bloody Nose red?  Looks like the latter to me.

Yes, it does look more red than the Daylight, more like Scarlet Red (Bloody Nose red) than Daylight Red.  That, with the black, gives the locomotive a more balanced look IMO.

Plus, I think it's the best paint scheme for an SD70ACe yet.

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Posted by eolafan on Saturday, August 19, 2006 3:13 PM
Very nice indeed!
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Posted by oskar on Saturday, August 19, 2006 3:08 PM

HOLY CRAP!!! Shock [:O] . That one looks good. Nice job UP and WSOR over the past year you guys did good with the new ACe's.

 

 

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Posted by n012944 on Saturday, August 19, 2006 2:47 PM

I have to say it is the best one that they have done.  Good job UP.  Now if I could only take pictures of it from a Metra station................Sad [:(]

 

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Posted by fuzzybroken on Saturday, August 19, 2006 2:45 PM
Very interesting...  I kinda like it, though those stripes seem to suggest the black widow/bloody nose stripes flipped upside-down.  And is that red Daylight Red, or Bloody Nose red?  Looks like the latter to me.

NOW...  I'd like to see ALL of the Heritage Units put together, touring the system!  That would be really cool!  Probably won't happen though...  But the CNW+Olympic Units was a neat treat, would have been nicer had they routed it up thisaway!!!

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Posted by silicon212 on Saturday, August 19, 2006 2:31 PM
Kind of a mixture of both Black Widow and Daylight.  I think UP should repaint at least half of their fleet into this scheme - but then again, that's just me. :)
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Posted by espeefoamer on Saturday, August 19, 2006 2:28 PM

Big Smile [:D] Awesome! That is one fantastic paint scheme.Smile [:)] UP came up with a real winner this time.Big Smile [:D]

Two thumbs WAY up!Smile [:)]Big Smile [:D]Cool [8D]

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Posted by silicon212 on Saturday, August 19, 2006 2:24 PM

Oh. My. God. 

 

That thing is GORGEOUS.  What a BEAUTIFUL looking unit!  I commend UP, this one is NICE!

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 19, 2006 1:11 PM
omg! thats a beautiful loco!!!!
very new ageish for an old style!
i love it!
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Posted by daniel3197 on Saturday, August 19, 2006 12:48 PM
Here is a VERY GOOD quality photo from Railpictures dot net:
 http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=155654

From a modeler railroad website here are a few other photos
of the UP 1996 SP Heritage unit:
http://www.tower55products.com/main.php?scale=HO&type=Diesel&series=UP%20Heritage%20SD70ACe&prod=UP-SP+Heritage+SD70ACe

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Posted by SactoGuy188 on Saturday, August 19, 2006 12:43 PM

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Wow...what a sharp looking engine!  I'm not even a fan of SP!  I like it.

When I saw the nose of UP 1996 inside the Locomotive Shop at Roseville just before dawn, I was kind of concerned about how it would look, because the nose color didn't look that great despite the nice looking Southern Pacific logo. But once they pulled the locomotive out of the shop, that thing looks STUNNING, especially in the right Sun angle.

This is by far the best-looking of the UP Heritage SD70ACe's. Wow!! [wow] Thumbs Up [tup] The colors harks back to the famous Daylight livery, used on the passenger trains that ran between northern and southern California.

 

 

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Posted by CNW 6000 on Saturday, August 19, 2006 12:36 PM
Wow...what a sharp looking engine!  I'm not even a fan of SP!  I like it.

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Posted by Lord Atmo on Saturday, August 19, 2006 11:39 AM
well it should be unveiled by now

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Posted by broncoman on Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:54 AM
Has anyone heard through employees or other ways where in the Roseville yard the SP unit will be unveiled.  I have been watching the local papers and haven't seen any information as to a location.  Hopefully I will be able to post some tarp pictures today.

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Posted by Gluefinger on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:27 PM
The CNW one was public, as well as the second of two days at Denver.
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Posted by CNW 6000 on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:22 PM
I'm guessing it'll be like other UP events related to Heritage Units: not public.

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Posted by broncoman on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:46 AM

Does anyone know if it is open to the public?  I would suspect that it might be down by the static steam engine or maybe over by the Amtrak station.  Anyone have any info?

 

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Posted by nordique72 on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:06 AM

 miniwyo wrote:

That is actually funny. I was headed back to work just after posting here, and what should I see crossing the road where the road goes under the tracks. A tarped Locomotive, Just caught a quick glimpse, but it makes me really anxious to see it!!!

 

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Posted by SactoGuy188 on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 1:03 AM

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That is actually funny. I was headed back to work just after posting here, and what should I see crossing the road where the road goes under the tracks. A tarped Locomotive, Just caught a quick glimpse, but it makes me really anxious to see it!!!

I should have suggested a "mini meet" of Trains.com members in Roseville this coming weekend because UP is supposed to officially unveil UP 1996 at Roseville Yard this Saturday (August 19, 2006). The fact the locomotive is fully tarped means UP will keep us all guessing on the livery of this locomotive--hopefully it will be based on the famous Black Widow livery, by far the best-looking of the SP diesel locomotive liveries.Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by UPTRAIN on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:49 AM

UP 1996 Departed Lenta, UT or something that sounds like tha on August 14 at 23:25 Scheduled Arrival Roseville August 16 04:25.

 

I don't know if it was "Lenta, Penta, Benta," or what, Utah...something that sounds like that.

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Posted by Lord Atmo on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:37 AM
i think it should be a mega manifest so everything is entertaining to watch. unit trains are too...meh. or make it part manifest, part coal, part intermodal. 12 locomotives could pull that

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Posted by SchemerBob on Monday, August 14, 2006 10:11 PM

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i would drive all the way to Washington if it meant i would see that train. what would that consist even pull?

Perhaps an 800-car coal train. It's been done in Australia! Wait a minute...12 engines...yeah, I think that's enough. That would be worth going to Washington 10 times for!

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Posted by Lord Atmo on Monday, August 14, 2006 9:44 PM
 SchemerBob wrote:

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UP should run all of their special paint units in one big consist for a celebration or something. have 844 leading of course. i mean after the unveiling of this unit though

i wonder if its scheme will be reminiscent of the daylight or the bloody nose

YES! I'm all for the special train. How about...844, the Challenger, Centennial and THEN the heritage units. May as well bundle all the neat engines in one train...it could be called the "Building America" tour or something.

EXACTLY! it should be the following. and in this order: 844, challenger, DDA40X, United Way, 4141, WP Heritage, MoPac Heritage, MKT Heritage, DRGW Heritage, CNW Heritage, SP Heritage, and hell, throw a normal UP SD70ACE in the back to represent UP as it is today. all they have to do is throw a "proud heritage" sticker on one of their many ACEs and presto, instant Union Pacific Heritage locomotive! i would drive all the way to Washington if it meant i would see that train. what would that consist even pull?


i hope it's bloody nose too. from the minute i first saw one of those, i was amazed by how cool that  looked

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Posted by SchemerBob on Monday, August 14, 2006 9:03 PM

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UP should run all of their special paint units in one big consist for a celebration or something. have 844 leading of course. i mean after the unveiling of this unit though

i wonder if its scheme will be reminiscent of the daylight or the bloody nose

YES! I'm all for the special train. How about...844, the Challenger, Centennial and THEN the heritage units. May as well bundle all the neat engines in one train...it could be called the "Building America" tour or something.

I sure hope this is the bloody nose paint scheme, because this is, after all, a freight locomotive and not many (if any) were painted in Daylight colors. Unless you call the Popsicles daylight, which I guess they sort of were...Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by miniwyo on Monday, August 14, 2006 6:35 PM
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Past Black Buttes, WY at 1110 AM - due into Roseville at 0500 on the 15th. Looks like it was by Rock Springs around 12-1300 hrs.



That is actually funny. I was headed back to work just after posting here, and what should I see crossing the road where the road goes under the tracks. A tarped Locomotive, Just caught a quick glimpse, but it makes me really anxious to see it!!!

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Posted by Lord Atmo on Monday, August 14, 2006 5:09 PM
UP should run all of their special paint units in one big consist for a celebration or something. have 844 leading of course. i mean after the unveiling of this unit though


i wonder if its scheme will be reminiscent of the daylight or the bloody nose

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Posted by nordique72 on Monday, August 14, 2006 2:34 PM

Past Black Buttes, WY at 1110 AM - due into Roseville at 0500 on the 15th. Looks like it was by Rock Springs around 12-1300 hrs.

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Posted by miniwyo on Monday, August 14, 2006 1:29 PM
What time?

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Posted by nordique72 on Monday, August 14, 2006 12:01 PM
Passed Wamsutter, WY this morning- so she should be either getting close to you, or already by.
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Posted by miniwyo on Sunday, August 13, 2006 8:02 PM
Hmmm, Looks like I should keep an eye out for it then eh?

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Posted by nordique72 on Sunday, August 13, 2006 6:43 PM
Out of North Platte today outbound for Roseville
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Posted by broncoman on Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:13 PM
So that should put in into Roseville around tuesday?

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Posted by UP_North on Saturday, August 12, 2006 3:55 PM
Carroll, IA 08/12/06  1541 hrs.
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Posted by broncoman on Saturday, August 12, 2006 9:47 AM
Any chance someone could do one of those cool tracking things on it again?  Or has anyone seen it?

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Posted by ericsp on Friday, August 11, 2006 1:13 AM
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The ends of the unit are black as far as i could tell.

They must be doing the cinder block paint scheme.Wink [;)]

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Posted by UP_North on Friday, August 11, 2006 1:05 AM

The ends of the unit are black as far as i could tell.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 10, 2006 5:26 PM
wasnt it supposed to be released on the 9th?
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Posted by espeefoamer on Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:29 PM
When will it be released?I am forward to seeing this with mixed emotions.Willl it beBig Smile [:D] orShock [:O]?
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Posted by broncoman on Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:20 PM
Any hints on the colors visible outside of the tarp?   Any info on the train it will head out on?
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Posted by Gluefinger on Thursday, August 10, 2006 11:34 AM
It arrived at Proviso this morning.
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Posted by nordique72 on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 3:48 PM

The TCS post referring to the unit being at Granville is just an indicator that the WSOR will be delivering the unit soon. Until it says on the trace line "Interchanged Received" the engine is still off line. This is just TCS telling any interested parties that the interchange can be expected soon, and the earliest estimated date is at 0100 hrs on August 7th.

I've been fooled by this many times before in the past- TCS does not do well with locomotives, since they are not waybilled like freight cars. The best way to get around this is to do an offline trace (which appears to be what the second trace you posted is), since an Umler trace is also worthless without a waybill. Hope this helps.

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Posted by Gluefinger on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 2:31 PM
Well now there's a different trace result, looking like it was placed at Horicon. (I believe SHOP is the code for a non-UP maintenance facility)

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Posted by broncoman on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 2:11 PM

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UP 001996 GRANVILLE WI 08 07 0100 U Junction Delivery WSOR UP Here she comes!

So does that mean its leaving the paint shop or it arrived there on 8/7.  It looks like its arriving for paint which would seem like it would be cutting it close.  I would think it would take three to four days to paint depending on how elaborate the design is.

 

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Posted by Gluefinger on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 1:28 AM
UP 001996 GRANVILLE WI 08 07 0100 U Junction Delivery WSOR UP

Here she comes!
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Posted by ericsp on Monday, August 7, 2006 11:44 PM

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So does anyone know what kind of train the DRG heritage unit was moved from the paint shop to Denver in?  I am curious as to how quickly the SP unit could be moved from paint to Roseville if the unveiling date is the 19th.  How high priority would it be if it needed to be?  Would they move it by itself, or a special train?
Does anyone know what its first train out of Roseville will be? 
Eric any idea?

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Is the painting completed? The unveiling is in twelve days, so if it is finished, I do not think they would need to worry much about getting it to Roseville in time. Perhaps it will go to Chicago, then go on a QPRNP, then on a QNPRV. What do you think Carl? Hopefully he reads this thread.

As for what its initial assignment will be, my guesses are perhaps a hauler to Oakland or a MRVWC.

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Posted by broncoman on Monday, August 7, 2006 10:10 PM
So does anyone know what kind of train the DRG heritage unit was moved from the paint shop to Denver in?  I am curious as to how quickly the SP unit could be moved from paint to Roseville if the unveiling date is the 19th.  How high priority would it be if it needed to be?  Would they move it by itself, or a special train?
Does anyone know what its first train out of Roseville will be? 
Eric any idea?

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Posted by WP 3020 on Sunday, July 30, 2006 4:11 AM

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You sure got that right. Instead of calling them heritage units they should be cald the copyright units.



That is what I, and some other people, think when we see them. I posted "YooPee lawyer tax" on an MR forum and caught heck for it. Someone didn't like me Phonetically spelling youpee. They made it sound as if I was going to be hearing from the Pope because of it. Basically what I said and, tried to explain, was that maybe they [ the youpee ] might've scored more points, with modelers, railfans and perhaps employees and former employees, by telling us the money from the licence B.S. would be put into the steam program. But doing it the way they did the money just seems to be going towards litigation and rebuilding PR.

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Posted by fuzzybroken on Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:01 AM
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Unfortunately there will be no SSW, nor will there be CGW, M&STl, C&EI, etc...(as stated by UP's John Bromley)

Too bad, though they could do some kind of "super-heritage" unit with the logos of all those old old fallen flags...  Some company at one time did t-shirts with, for example, a picture of a CSX locomotive, with the logos of all the railroads that became part of that company, this unit could be something like that.

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Posted by fuzzybroken on Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:57 PM
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Hey Fuzzybroken,

Thats cool the way you made that picture change like that ! How'd you do that? I never seen that before...

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Posted by ericsp on Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:10 PM

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Does UP get to keep the licensing on SSW if they don't have something.  There are a lot of model railroad stuff that is Cotton Belt, or does that fall under some SP kind of trademark since it would be a bloody nose?


The "wings" on the side of the nose are they same for a particular locomotive whether SP or SSW. There is a SSW hopper that UP has painted with Cotton Belt's logo on it.

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Posted by broncoman on Saturday, July 29, 2006 4:49 PM
Does UP get to keep the licensing on SSW if they don't have something.  There are a lot of model railroad stuff that is Cotton Belt, or does that fall under some SP kind of trademark since it would be a bloody nose?


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Posted by Gluefinger on Saturday, July 29, 2006 4:17 PM
Unfortunately there will be no SSW, nor will there be CGW, M&STl, C&EI, etc...(as stated by UP's John Bromley)
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Posted by nanaimo73 on Saturday, July 29, 2006 3:33 PM
Will there be a Cotton Belt locomotive ?
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Posted by DPD1 on Saturday, July 29, 2006 2:37 PM
A 'Daylight' scheme looks to be a pretty good guess, judging by the pre-PR stuff.

I think they could have gotten even more PR out of all this heritage stuff, by having a public design contest for the schemes.

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Posted by broncoman on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:58 PM
There were two other units that got the Diesel Daylight colors like the Sulzers,  7342 a SD40R and a 7399 a SD44R.  Unfortunatley it just screams something that UP might do.
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Posted by ericsp on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:18 PM
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There are a good many of SP AC44 still unpatched. I have seen them around Grand Junction, CO and about 15 in coal trains running through North Platte, NE on Powder river trains. According to the roster on the UP website, as of 1/1/06 there are 57 AC44 yet to be renumbered along with 2 B23-7's, 5 GP38-2's, 1 GP40, 20 GP40-2's, 10 GP60's, 21 SD40-2's (probably tunnel mtrs), 3 SD40T-2's, and  2 SW1500's. 121 units in all not counting SSW or DRGW locos. I already stated where the AC's are. A lot of the GP60's are working rock trains around Dallas and East Texas. (Saw UP 1900 ex-DRGW GP60 in longview on Sat). I have seen one GP38-2 and two of the GP40-2's in Fort Worth a GP38-2 switching just west of the Colton,CA yard and another unpatched ex-SD45 at the yard. There is a side track on the North side of the Downing B Jenks shop in Little Rock, AR that has a B30-7 and an SD40 in clean unpatched SP speed lettering.

The SD40-2s are the MK rebuilds from circa 1994 (former SD40s, SD45s, SDP45s, and SD45s with the radiator sections from GP40s).

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Posted by broncoman on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:52 PM
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I totaly agree with that.

I don't think any other locos were painted like that. BTW- those units are still around, tucked away somewhere in Oakland.



The pics is saw of the three stored were on ncespee.railfan.net.  Are they still there and if so how did they end up being saved instead of scrapped.  (Yes I know this question should be on the SP thread for everyone but I agree with you and ed too).
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Posted by videomaker on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:27 PM

Hey Fuzzybroken,

Thats cool the way you made that picture change like that ! How'd you do that? I never seen that before...Anyway,I think the SP Heritage unit will be a cross beteween the black widow and the current scheme..My 2 cents [2c]  Danny 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:13 PM

There are a good many of SP AC44 still unpatched. I have seen them around Grand Junction, CO and about 15 in coal trains running through North Platte, NE on Powder river trains. According to the roster on the UP website, as of 1/1/06 there are 57 AC44 yet to be renumbered along with 2 B23-7's, 5 GP38-2's, 1 GP40, 20 GP40-2's, 10 GP60's, 21 SD40-2's (probably tunnel mtrs), 3 SD40T-2's, and  2 SW1500's. 121 units in all not counting SSW or DRGW locos. I already stated where the AC's are. A lot of the GP60's are working rock trains around Dallas and East Texas. (Saw UP 1900 ex-DRGW GP60 in longview on Sat). I have seen one GP38-2 and two of the GP40-2's in Fort Worth a GP38-2 switching just west of the Colton,CA yard and another unpatched ex-SD45 at the yard. There is a side track on the North side of the Downing B Jenks shop in Little Rock, AR that has a B30-7 and an SD40 in clean unpatched SP speed lettering.

 

 

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Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:55 AM

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Lets just pray that the designers never saw picture of the Sulzer powered units (7030-7033) with the popsicle paint scheme and try to merge that in somehow.  Where there any other units that color?

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I totaly agree with that.

I don't think any other locos were painted like that. BTW- those units are still around, tucked away somewhere in Oakland.

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Posted by SactoGuy188 on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:53 AM
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While Black Widow scheme would be nice, Daylight would be more likely, but dont count out Bloody Nose scheme yet....!
 
Anyone know when its to debute?
 
I think UP will likely paint their SP Heritage locomotive in something borrowed from the famous Black Widow livery, perhaps the best-looking of all liveries for SP's diesel-locomotives. G** help us all if they borrow the "bloody nose" livery. Thumbs Down [tdn]

 

 

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Posted by samfp1943 on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:07 AM
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Well if they want to be true to SPs units I remember it should be grimy grey mixed with oil and dirt, highlighted with rusted panels, mismatched and loose or missing access door colors and topped off with a lacey tracery of vile graffiti over every square inch of it!
 
While Black Widow scheme would be nice, Daylight would be more likely, but dont count out Bloody Nose sceme yet....!
 
Anyone know when its to debute?

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Posted by blhanel on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:57 AM
re fuzzybroken's pic-

Heh heh... good one, Mark.Wink [;)]
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Posted by silicon212 on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:05 AM
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I hope it stays away from here. I do not care to see the butchering of SP schemes that it will be.

Remember, these are HERITAGE units.  They celebrate the lineage of the parent, UP.  They are not SP locomotives.  They are not C&NW locomotives.  They do not belong to MKT, MoPac, WP, D&RGW or anyone else but UP.  While I also lament the loss of the SP, at least I can know that UP isn't forgetting its roots.

Exactly, it is not an SP unit, nor will it be in an SP scheme. Even if they were to paint it in the Halloween or Popsicle schemes, at least it would have been painted in an SP scheme.

Since it appears they are numbering the locomotives for the last year of that railroad's existance, it would make sense to paint the locomotives in the last paint scheme of each the railroads.

If UP wants to remember its roots, I have a suggestion on how to do that, for a while, and save some money. Don't renumber the locomotives from railroads UP took over until it is time to completely repaint the locomotive. Once all of the CNW, DRGW, SSW, and SP locomotives have been repainted or retired, then do sometime of heritage unit. Of course probably by that time all of the heritage units will be back in usual UP paint.

I am still trying to figure out why you wrote the particular reply in response to what I wrote. I never wrote it was an SP unit. By the way, they probably actually belong to some financial institution.

What I was actually getting at is that it's a UP unit.  I wound't expect them to do an SP scheme for a UP unit (although I'm with you in thinking that it should be an SP paint job).  It would be nice, but it ain't gonna happen.  At least UP is painting a unit in a paint scheme other than the ubiquitous Armour Yellow.

Personally, a black widow, or a daylight, or a combo scheme would look sweet.  The bloody nose never looked good on a widecab, in my opinion.

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Posted by fuzzybroken on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:34 AM
Chris was already ahead of me, but 8523 in primer was at Proviso on Saturday.

Also, did anyone notice the lack of "UP" lettering on the front of 1995...?  (Link removed... No longer current...) ... Evil [}:)]  Be sure to read all of the caption below the picture... Cool [8D]
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Posted by ericsp on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:40 PM
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I hope it stays away from here. I do not care to see the butchering of SP schemes that it will be.

Remember, these are HERITAGE units.  They celebrate the lineage of the parent, UP.  They are not SP locomotives.  They are not C&NW locomotives.  They do not belong to MKT, MoPac, WP, D&RGW or anyone else but UP.  While I also lament the loss of the SP, at least I can know that UP isn't forgetting its roots.

Exactly, it is not an SP unit, nor will it be in an SP scheme. Even if they were to paint it in the Halloween or Popsicle schemes, at least it would have been painted in an SP scheme.

Since it appears they are numbering the locomotives for the last year of that railroad's existance, it would make sense to paint the locomotives in the last paint scheme of each the railroads.

If UP wants to remember its roots, I have a suggestion on how to do that, for a while, and save some money. Don't renumber the locomotives from railroads UP took over until it is time to completely repaint the locomotive. Once all of the CNW, DRGW, SSW, and SP locomotives have been repainted or retired, then do sometime of heritage unit. Of course probably by that time all of the heritage units will be back in usual UP paint.

I am still trying to figure out why you wrote the particular reply in response to what I wrote. I never wrote it was an SP unit. By the way, they probably actually belong to some financial institution.

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Posted by silicon212 on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:32 PM

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Lets just pray that the designers never saw picture of the Sulzer powered units (7030-7033) with the popsicle paint scheme and try to merge that in somehow.  Where there any other units that color?

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NO, thank God.  Those were awful.

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Posted by broncoman on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:15 PM
Lets just pray that the designers never saw picture of the Sulzer powered units (7030-7033) with the popsicle paint scheme and try to merge that in somehow.  Where there any other units that color?

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Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:46 PM
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 SchemerBob wrote:

UP's first 3 Heritages (MoPac, WP, MKT) wern't really as good as they could have been, if you ask me. But the D&RGW and CNW engines look okay; they are more based on the original freight paint schemes. So, the SP SD70ACe should be gray with white lettering and a bright red nose. That's the paint scheme I think of when I think of Southern Pacific.

Of course, it's not going to be exactly like the original...although it could be.

I would be curious if the idea for the SP unit is set in stone or if they are watching the various RR forums to garner a little more input.  I would be curious if they might adopt a daylight scheme from 4999 (more orange).  It seem like all schemes were open to use on the previous units.

 

I think all the schemes were designed by an outside firm last year.

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Posted by broncoman on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:15 PM
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UP's first 3 Heritages (MoPac, WP, MKT) wern't really as good as they could have been, if you ask me. But the D&RGW and CNW engines look okay; they are more based on the original freight paint schemes. So, the SP SD70ACe should be gray with white lettering and a bright red nose. That's the paint scheme I think of when I think of Southern Pacific.

Of course, it's not going to be exactly like the original...although it could be.

I would be curious if the idea for the SP unit is set in stone or if they are watching the various RR forums to garner a little more input.  I would be curious if they might adopt a daylight scheme from 4999 (more orange).  It seem like all schemes were open to use on the previous units.

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Posted by SchemerBob on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:22 PM

UP's first 3 Heritages (MoPac, WP, MKT) wern't really as good as they could have been, if you ask me. But the D&RGW and CNW engines look okay; they are more based on the original freight paint schemes. So, the SP SD70ACe should be gray with white lettering and a bright red nose. That's the paint scheme I think of when I think of Southern Pacific.

Of course, it's not going to be exactly like the original...although it could be.

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Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:54 AM
There are probably more AC4400s still in SP colors then any other model, but I think they are mostly in coal service back east.
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Posted by broncoman on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:49 AM

Its probably of no consolation but the ac4400s that are pretty much peranently assigned to Donner duty are so smoked out that they look like SP units.  It stinks that they don't even keep the SP painted ACs out of the Roseville yard, they end up with coad duty.  Are there still a couple ACs in SP colors?

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Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:11 AM

 ericsp wrote:
I hope it stays away from here. I do not care to see the butchering of SP schemes that it will be.

You sure got that right. Instead of calling them heritage units they should be cald the copyright units.

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Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:04 AM
Well if they want to be true to SPs units I remember it should be grimy grey mixed with oil and dirt, highlighted with rusted panels, mismatched and loose or missing access door colors and topped off with a lacey tracery of vile graffiti over every square inch of it!
 
While Black Widow scheme would be nice, Daylight would be more likely, but dont count out Bloody Nose sceme yet....!
 
Anyone know when its to debute?

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Posted by Gluefinger on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:56 AM
I'm guessing the unit will be in the Daylight scheme, based on these photos from www.drgw.ws

http://www.drgw.ws/data/heritage/details.asp?u=1996

The ones for 1989 and 1995 look almost exactly like the locomotives do.
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Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:24 AM

The fact that the 8523 is in Butler now means that they've at least taken it off the Janesville runs, where it's been hiding for the last couple of weeks or longer.

I wonder--if we had an exaggerated lightning stripe on the CNW unit, exaggerated mountains on the D&RGW unit, etc., could we expect to see a fully-bloodied cab (instead of just the nose), followed by some combination of black and gray.

Point to consider (though it's probably too late):  SSW was a separate railroad for almost as long as the SP was.  Maybe a nod in that direction would be considered.

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Posted by silicon212 on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:20 AM
I know in an earlier thread I said I'd like to see a Black Widow scheme - well I'd maybe like to see a Daylight scheme too - perhaps there can be some combination.
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Posted by Gluefinger on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:29 AM
It hasn't even reached Horicon yet.

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Posted by silicon212 on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:53 AM

 ericsp wrote:
I hope it stays away from here. I do not care to see the butchering of SP schemes that it will be.

Remember, these are HERITAGE units.  They celebrate the lineage of the parent, UP.  They are not SP locomotives.  They are not C&NW locomotives.  They do not belong to MKT, MoPac, WP, D&RGW or anyone else but UP.  While I also lament the loss of the SP, at least I can know that UP isn't forgetting its roots.

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Posted by ericsp on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:37 AM
I hope it stays away from here. I do not care to see the butchering of SP schemes that it will be.

"No soup for you!" - Yev Kassem (from Seinfeld)

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Posted by DRGWfan on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:17 AM
I just hope once it put in service it makes its way up to seattle or tacoma
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 17, 2006 10:57 PM
It's about time that someone brought back even a modified version of the Black Widow paint scheme. Everybody thought I was nuts when I took a model of a Dash 8-40C that way. I think its cooland can't to see itApprove [^]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

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