SP Heritage unit

[broncoman]

Does anyone know or has anyone seen the last heritage unit?  Is it still at Horicon or has it been moved.  I am hoping we can keep tabs on it as it makes its way to Roseville.  There are too many places for it to hide there that aren't easily accessable. 

Dave

[Anonymous]

It's about time that someone brought back even a modified version of the Black Widow paint scheme. Everybody thought I was nuts when I took a model of a Dash 8-40C that way. I think its cooland can't to see it

[DRGWfan]

I just hope once it put in service it makes its way up to seattle or tacoma

[ericsp]

I hope it stays away from here. I do not care to see the butchering of SP schemes that it will be.

[silicon212]

I hope it stays away from here. I do not care to see the butchering of SP schemes that it will be.

Remember, these are HERITAGE units.  They celebrate the lineage of the parent, UP.  They are not SP locomotives.  They are not C&NW locomotives.  They do not belong to MKT, MoPac, WP, D&RGW or anyone else but UP.  While I also lament the loss of the SP, at least I can know that UP isn't forgetting its roots.

[Gluefinger]

It hasn't even reached Horicon yet.

UP 008523 BUTLER WI 07 18 0054 U Arrive In-Transit MPRVP1 UP

[silicon212]

I know in an earlier thread I said I'd like to see a Black Widow scheme - well I'd maybe like to see a Daylight scheme too - perhaps there can be some combination.

[CShaveRR]

The fact that the 8523 is in Butler now means that they've at least taken it off the Janesville runs, where it's been hiding for the last couple of weeks or longer.

I wonder--if we had an exaggerated lightning stripe on the CNW unit, exaggerated mountains on the D&RGW unit, etc., could we expect to see a fully-bloodied cab (instead of just the nose), followed by some combination of black and gray.

Point to consider (though it's probably too late):  SSW was a separate railroad for almost as long as the SP was.  Maybe a nod in that direction would be considered.

[Gluefinger]

I'm guessing the unit will be in the Daylight scheme, based on these photos from www.drgw.ws

http://www.drgw.ws/data/heritage/details.asp?u=1996

The ones for 1989 and 1995 look almost exactly like the locomotives do.

[vsmith]

Well if they want to be true to SPs units I remember it should be grimy grey mixed with oil and dirt, highlighted with rusted panels, mismatched and loose or missing access door colors and topped off with a lacey tracery of vile graffiti over every square inch of it!

 

While Black Widow scheme would be nice, Daylight would be more likely, but dont count out Bloody Nose sceme yet....!

 

Anyone know when its to debute?

[chad thomas]

I hope it stays away from here. I do not care to see the butchering of SP schemes that it will be.

You sure got that right. Instead of calling them heritage units they should be cald the copyright units.

[broncoman]

Its probably of no consolation but the ac4400s that are pretty much peranently assigned to Donner duty are so smoked out that they look like SP units.  It stinks that they don't even keep the SP painted ACs out of the Roseville yard, they end up with coad duty.  Are there still a couple ACs in SP colors?

Dave

[chad thomas]

There are probably more AC4400s still in SP colors then any other model, but I think they are mostly in coal service back east.

[SchemerBob]

UP's first 3 Heritages (MoPac, WP, MKT) wern't really as good as they could have been, if you ask me. But the D&RGW and CNW engines look okay; they are more based on the original freight paint schemes. So, the SP SD70ACe should be gray with white lettering and a bright red nose. That's the paint scheme I think of when I think of Southern Pacific.

Of course, it's not going to be exactly like the original...although it could be.

[broncoman]

UP's first 3 Heritages (MoPac, WP, MKT) wern't really as good as they could have been, if you ask me. But the D&RGW and CNW engines look okay; they are more based on the original freight paint schemes. So, the SP SD70ACe should be gray with white lettering and a bright red nose. That's the paint scheme I think of when I think of Southern Pacific.

Of course, it's not going to be exactly like the original...although it could be.

I would be curious if the idea for the SP unit is set in stone or if they are watching the various RR forums to garner a little more input.  I would be curious if they might adopt a daylight scheme from 4999 (more orange).  It seem like all schemes were open to use on the previous units.

[chad thomas]

UP's first 3 Heritages (MoPac, WP, MKT) wern't really as good as they could have been, if you ask me. But the D&RGW and CNW engines look okay; they are more based on the original freight paint schemes. So, the SP SD70ACe should be gray with white lettering and a bright red nose. That's the paint scheme I think of when I think of Southern Pacific.

Of course, it's not going to be exactly like the original...although it could be.

I would be curious if the idea for the SP unit is set in stone or if they are watching the various RR forums to garner a little more input.  I would be curious if they might adopt a daylight scheme from 4999 (more orange).  It seem like all schemes were open to use on the previous units.

 

I think all the schemes were designed by an outside firm last year.

[broncoman]

Lets just pray that the designers never saw picture of the Sulzer powered units (7030-7033) with the popsicle paint scheme and try to merge that in somehow.  Where there any other units that color?

Dave

[silicon212]

Lets just pray that the designers never saw picture of the Sulzer powered units (7030-7033) with the popsicle paint scheme and try to merge that in somehow.  Where there any other units that color?

Dave

NO, thank God.  Those were awful.

[ericsp]

I hope it stays away from here. I do not care to see the butchering of SP schemes that it will be.

Remember, these are HERITAGE units.  They celebrate the lineage of the parent, UP.  They are not SP locomotives.  They are not C&NW locomotives.  They do not belong to MKT, MoPac, WP, D&RGW or anyone else but UP.  While I also lament the loss of the SP, at least I can know that UP isn't forgetting its roots.

Exactly, it is not an SP unit, nor will it be in an SP scheme. Even if they were to paint it in the Halloween or Popsicle schemes, at least it would have been painted in an SP scheme.

Since it appears they are numbering the locomotives for the last year of that railroad's existance, it would make sense to paint the locomotives in the last paint scheme of each the railroads.

If UP wants to remember its roots, I have a suggestion on how to do that, for a while, and save some money. Don't renumber the locomotives from railroads UP took over until it is time to completely repaint the locomotive. Once all of the CNW, DRGW, SSW, and SP locomotives have been repainted or retired, then do sometime of heritage unit. Of course probably by that time all of the heritage units will be back in usual UP paint.

I am still trying to figure out why you wrote the particular reply in response to what I wrote. I never wrote it was an SP unit. By the way, they probably actually belong to some financial institution.

[fuzzybroken]

Chris was already ahead of me, but 8523 in primer was at Proviso on Saturday.

Also, did anyone notice the lack of "UP" lettering on the front of 1995...?  (Link removed... No longer current...) ...   Be sure to read all of the caption below the picture...

[silicon212]

I hope it stays away from here. I do not care to see the butchering of SP schemes that it will be.

Remember, these are HERITAGE units.  They celebrate the lineage of the parent, UP.  They are not SP locomotives.  They are not C&NW locomotives.  They do not belong to MKT, MoPac, WP, D&RGW or anyone else but UP.  While I also lament the loss of the SP, at least I can know that UP isn't forgetting its roots.

Exactly, it is not an SP unit, nor will it be in an SP scheme. Even if they were to paint it in the Halloween or Popsicle schemes, at least it would have been painted in an SP scheme.

Since it appears they are numbering the locomotives for the last year of that railroad's existance, it would make sense to paint the locomotives in the last paint scheme of each the railroads.

If UP wants to remember its roots, I have a suggestion on how to do that, for a while, and save some money. Don't renumber the locomotives from railroads UP took over until it is time to completely repaint the locomotive. Once all of the CNW, DRGW, SSW, and SP locomotives have been repainted or retired, then do sometime of heritage unit. Of course probably by that time all of the heritage units will be back in usual UP paint.

I am still trying to figure out why you wrote the particular reply in response to what I wrote. I never wrote it was an SP unit. By the way, they probably actually belong to some financial institution.

What I was actually getting at is that it's a UP unit.  I wound't expect them to do an SP scheme for a UP unit (although I'm with you in thinking that it should be an SP paint job).  It would be nice, but it ain't gonna happen.  At least UP is painting a unit in a paint scheme other than the ubiquitous Armour Yellow.

Personally, a black widow, or a daylight, or a combo scheme would look sweet.  The bloody nose never looked good on a widecab, in my opinion.

[blhanel]

re fuzzybroken's pic-

Heh heh... good one, Mark.

[samfp1943]

Well if they want to be true to SPs units I remember it should be grimy grey mixed with oil and dirt, highlighted with rusted panels, mismatched and loose or missing access door colors and topped off with a lacey tracery of vile graffiti over every square inch of it!

 

While Black Widow scheme would be nice, Daylight would be more likely, but dont count out Bloody Nose sceme yet....!

 

Anyone know when its to debute?

Vic:

      You said exactly what I was thinking. Once put in service, all UP will have to do is just run the wheels off of it, No need to spend money on upkeep.

[SactoGuy188]

While Black Widow scheme would be nice, Daylight would be more likely, but dont count out Bloody Nose scheme yet....!

 

Anyone know when its to debute?

[chad thomas]

Lets just pray that the designers never saw picture of the Sulzer powered units (7030-7033) with the popsicle paint scheme and try to merge that in somehow.  Where there any other units that color?

Dave

I totaly agree with that.

I don't think any other locos were painted like that. BTW- those units are still around, tucked away somewhere in Oakland.

[Anonymous]

There are a good many of SP AC44 still unpatched. I have seen them around Grand Junction, CO and about 15 in coal trains running through North Platte, NE on Powder river trains. According to the roster on the UP website, as of 1/1/06 there are 57 AC44 yet to be renumbered along with 2 B23-7's, 5 GP38-2's, 1 GP40, 20 GP40-2's, 10 GP60's, 21 SD40-2's (probably tunnel mtrs), 3 SD40T-2's, and  2 SW1500's. 121 units in all not counting SSW or DRGW locos. I already stated where the AC's are. A lot of the GP60's are working rock trains around Dallas and East Texas. (Saw UP 1900 ex-DRGW GP60 in longview on Sat). I have seen one GP38-2 and two of the GP40-2's in Fort Worth a GP38-2 switching just west of the Colton,CA yard and another unpatched ex-SD45 at the yard. There is a side track on the North side of the Downing B Jenks shop in Little Rock, AR that has a B30-7 and an SD40 in clean unpatched SP speed lettering.

 

 

[videomaker]

Hey Fuzzybroken,

Thats cool the way you made that picture change like that ! How'd you do that? I never seen that before...Anyway,I think the SP Heritage unit will be a cross beteween the black widow and the current scheme..  Danny 

[broncoman]

I totaly agree with that.

I don't think any other locos were painted like that. BTW- those units are still around, tucked away somewhere in Oakland.

The pics is saw of the three stored were on ncespee.railfan.net.  Are they still there and if so how did they end up being saved instead of scrapped.  (Yes I know this question should be on the SP thread for everyone but I agree with you and ed too).

[ericsp]

There are a good many of SP AC44 still unpatched. I have seen them around Grand Junction, CO and about 15 in coal trains running through North Platte, NE on Powder river trains. According to the roster on the UP website, as of 1/1/06 there are 57 AC44 yet to be renumbered along with 2 B23-7's, 5 GP38-2's, 1 GP40, 20 GP40-2's, 10 GP60's, 21 SD40-2's (probably tunnel mtrs), 3 SD40T-2's, and  2 SW1500's. 121 units in all not counting SSW or DRGW locos. I already stated where the AC's are. A lot of the GP60's are working rock trains around Dallas and East Texas. (Saw UP 1900 ex-DRGW GP60 in longview on Sat). I have seen one GP38-2 and two of the GP40-2's in Fort Worth a GP38-2 switching just west of the Colton,CA yard and another unpatched ex-SD45 at the yard. There is a side track on the North side of the Downing B Jenks shop in Little Rock, AR that has a B30-7 and an SD40 in clean unpatched SP speed lettering.

The SD40-2s are the MK rebuilds from circa 1994 (former SD40s, SD45s, SDP45s, and SD45s with the radiator sections from GP40s).

[broncoman]

There were two other units that got the Diesel Daylight colors like the Sulzers,  7342 a SD40R and a 7399 a SD44R.  Unfortunatley it just screams something that UP might do.