chad thomas wrote:I heard they are going to keep it on the I-5 coridor for now. Mabee I'll get lucky and catch it in Cajon next weekend. Wouldn't that be cool Brian.
Has it left Roseville yet. It was still in the shop in Roseville on Sunday night?
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Lord Atmo wrote:the MKT unit used a scheme i cant even find pictures of on railpix. it really should have been green with the tiger striped nose or something.
MKT painted their diesels red from the 1940's to the 1970's. They recreated the pickle and mustard scheme by alternating the two different hues of red.
Pump
UP 1996 looks really striking all dressed-up in its pseudo, quasi, ersatz, combined "Daylight" and "Black Widow" paint schemes. The equipment below the frame painted either light gray or silver really sets off the locomotive body decoration well. And the name "SOUTHERN PACIFIC" appearing on the side of this locomotive in a railroad roman font adds to the class of the unit.
But I have one question about one of the colors used.
Did the paint shop that decorated this unit use an industrial laquer for the red striping (something like Dupont Imron), or did they apply multiple coats of red ink left over from the Espee's accounting department?
bushhog8fan wrote:I think it looks good but when will some of the heritage units make it into georgia on some run through trains
It will probably be a while, we will have to wait for the new to wear off.
Your friendly neighborhood CNW fan.
stmtrolleyguy wrote:I would definately say that the later heritage units are looking better and better, but I don't think this was the best daylight scheme. First of all, it looks terrible on those silver trucks. The daylight, in order to be bright, was designed for black trucks - let the strips stand out on its own. I might have done a black underdarriage, but left the fuel tank silver (there would have been some silver on the grids of the E8) Second of all, there are a few too many stripes. Thin up the red ones on the nose, and on the black band at the bottom of the cab, get rid of the middle stripe entirely. That, and at least use decent numbers on the side of the cab - not that thick plain lettering.This was a good comparison : E8 in daylight, and the heritage unit.http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=155741
Keep in mind that although the daylight type scheme is dominant, this is actually a mixture of elements from both Daylight and Black Widow. Pure Daylight it ain't, plus the red is too bright.
Glen Ellyn wrote: cpbloom wrote:It looks great but my money is still on Katy as the best heritage unit. Sorry man, but I say the SP herritage unit looks catchy, but not all that good. My money is on the CN&W herritage unit.
cpbloom wrote:It looks great but my money is still on Katy as the best heritage unit.
Sorry man, but I say the SP herritage unit looks catchy, but not all that good. My money is on the CN&W herritage unit.
CNW ? Thats my second best!
Those stripes are all retroreflective decals. These stripes will look brilliant at night with the right light source shining on them from the direction of the camera.
When will the nightime photos be taken of all the UP Heritage SD70ACe Locos?
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zugmann wrote:And I still think it's UGLY.
In other news, thanks to daniel3197 for posting a link OTHER than one from RailPictures dot net. Sadly, assimilation is so complete on that site, it is now the Borg Queen of spyware and adware.
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UPTRAIN wrote: I should have know the UP/Heritage Haters would decend on this topic. Why do these things always have to be critiqued?
I should have know the UP/Heritage Haters would decend on this topic. Why do these things always have to be critiqued?
Because that is what people do when something new comes out. Just because the UP is doing something different does not mean everyone has to like it.
Bert
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UPTRAIN wrote: zugmann wrote:ACK.Did they pay the stripe painter by the foot?????That is way too busy and complex. Does not fit the style of the locomotive. (an easterner's opinion) I should have know the UP/Heritage Haters would decend on this topic. Why do these things always have to be critiqued? What does, "Each locomotive will feature a unique paint scheme, incorporating elements of one of the six major railroads that have merged with Union Pacific." mean to the people who gripe at these? They're unique paint schemes, not replications. Dang. And no, the "stripe painter" didn't get paid by the foot...they are reflective decals. For those who think it's bloody nose and not daylight: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=155683 . I thought it was all scarlett red. Now for me, I like the fact they incorpertated the daylight steam type of paint diagram, I like more black than what was on the diesels, and the transition between the Black Widow and the Daylight, I think that part it simply a bit of genious!
zugmann wrote:ACK.Did they pay the stripe painter by the foot?????That is way too busy and complex. Does not fit the style of the locomotive. (an easterner's opinion)
I should have know the UP/Heritage Haters would decend on this topic. Why do these things always have to be critiqued? What does, "Each locomotive will feature a unique paint scheme, incorporating elements of one of the six major railroads that have merged with Union Pacific." mean to the people who gripe at these? They're unique paint schemes, not replications. Dang. And no, the "stripe painter" didn't get paid by the foot...they are reflective decals.
For those who think it's bloody nose and not daylight: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=155683 . I thought it was all scarlett red.
Now for me, I like the fact they incorpertated the daylight steam type of paint diagram, I like more black than what was on the diesels, and the transition between the Black Widow and the Daylight, I think that part it simply a bit of genious!
The diesel Daylight Red is not as bright as Scarlet Red - go into a modeling shop and look at the two different colors.
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fuzzybroken wrote: And is that red Daylight Red, or Bloody Nose red? Looks like the latter to me.
Yes, it does look more red than the Daylight, more like Scarlet Red (Bloody Nose red) than Daylight Red. That, with the black, gives the locomotive a more balanced look IMO.
Plus, I think it's the best paint scheme for an SD70ACe yet.
HOLY CRAP!!! . That one looks good. Nice job UP and WSOR over the past year you guys did good with the new ACe's.
kevin
I have to say it is the best one that they have done. Good job UP. Now if I could only take pictures of it from a Metra station................
Awesome! That is one fantastic paint scheme. UP came up with a real winner this time.
Two thumbs WAY up!
Oh. My. God.
That thing is GORGEOUS. What a BEAUTIFUL looking unit! I commend UP, this one is NICE!
CNW 6000 wrote:Wow...what a sharp looking engine! I'm not even a fan of SP! I like it.
When I saw the nose of UP 1996 inside the Locomotive Shop at Roseville just before dawn, I was kind of concerned about how it would look, because the nose color didn't look that great despite the nice looking Southern Pacific logo. But once they pulled the locomotive out of the shop, that thing looks STUNNING, especially in the right Sun angle.
This is by far the best-looking of the UP Heritage SD70ACe's. The colors harks back to the famous Daylight livery, used on the passenger trains that ran between northern and southern California.
Dan
Does anyone know if it is open to the public? I would suspect that it might be down by the static steam engine or maybe over by the Amtrak station. Anyone have any info?
Dave
That is actually funny. I was headed back to work just after posting here, and what should I see crossing the road where the road goes under the tracks. A tarped Locomotive, Just caught a quick glimpse, but it makes me really anxious to see it!!!
Glad you got to see it- even if it was under a tarp!
miniwyo wrote:That is actually funny. I was headed back to work just after posting here, and what should I see crossing the road where the road goes under the tracks. A tarped Locomotive, Just caught a quick glimpse, but it makes me really anxious to see it!!!
I should have suggested a "mini meet" of Trains.com members in Roseville this coming weekend because UP is supposed to officially unveil UP 1996 at Roseville Yard this Saturday (August 19, 2006). The fact the locomotive is fully tarped means UP will keep us all guessing on the livery of this locomotive--hopefully it will be based on the famous Black Widow livery, by far the best-looking of the SP diesel locomotive liveries.
UP 1996 Departed Lenta, UT or something that sounds like tha on August 14 at 23:25 Scheduled Arrival Roseville August 16 04:25.
I don't know if it was "Lenta, Penta, Benta," or what, Utah...something that sounds like that.
Lord Atmo wrote: i would drive all the way to Washington if it meant i would see that train. what would that consist even pull?
Perhaps an 800-car coal train. It's been done in Australia! Wait a minute...12 engines...yeah, I think that's enough. That would be worth going to Washington 10 times for!
SchemerBob wrote: Lord Atmo wrote:UP should run all of their special paint units in one big consist for a celebration or something. have 844 leading of course. i mean after the unveiling of this unit though i wonder if its scheme will be reminiscent of the daylight or the bloody nose YES! I'm all for the special train. How about...844, the Challenger, Centennial and THEN the heritage units. May as well bundle all the neat engines in one train...it could be called the "Building America" tour or something.
Lord Atmo wrote:UP should run all of their special paint units in one big consist for a celebration or something. have 844 leading of course. i mean after the unveiling of this unit though i wonder if its scheme will be reminiscent of the daylight or the bloody nose
i wonder if its scheme will be reminiscent of the daylight or the bloody nose
YES! I'm all for the special train. How about...844, the Challenger, Centennial and THEN the heritage units. May as well bundle all the neat engines in one train...it could be called the "Building America" tour or something.
EXACTLY! it should be the following. and in this order: 844, challenger, DDA40X, United Way, 4141, WP Heritage, MoPac Heritage, MKT Heritage, DRGW Heritage, CNW Heritage, SP Heritage, and hell, throw a normal UP SD70ACE in the back to represent UP as it is today. all they have to do is throw a "proud heritage" sticker on one of their many ACEs and presto, instant Union Pacific Heritage locomotive! i would drive all the way to Washington if it meant i would see that train. what would that consist even pull?
I sure hope this is the bloody nose paint scheme, because this is, after all, a freight locomotive and not many (if any) were painted in Daylight colors. Unless you call the Popsicles daylight, which I guess they sort of were...
nordique72 wrote:Past Black Buttes, WY at 1110 AM - due into Roseville at 0500 on the 15th. Looks like it was by Rock Springs around 12-1300 hrs.
Past Black Buttes, WY at 1110 AM - due into Roseville at 0500 on the 15th. Looks like it was by Rock Springs around 12-1300 hrs.
RJ
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UP_North wrote: The ends of the unit are black as far as i could tell.
The ends of the unit are black as far as i could tell.
They must be doing the cinder block paint scheme.
The TCS post referring to the unit being at Granville is just an indicator that the WSOR will be delivering the unit soon. Until it says on the trace line "Interchanged Received" the engine is still off line. This is just TCS telling any interested parties that the interchange can be expected soon, and the earliest estimated date is at 0100 hrs on August 7th.
I've been fooled by this many times before in the past- TCS does not do well with locomotives, since they are not waybilled like freight cars. The best way to get around this is to do an offline trace (which appears to be what the second trace you posted is), since an Umler trace is also worthless without a waybill. Hope this helps.
Gluefinger wrote:UP 001996 GRANVILLE WI 08 07 0100 U Junction Delivery WSOR UP Here she comes!
So does that mean its leaving the paint shop or it arrived there on 8/7. It looks like its arriving for paint which would seem like it would be cutting it close. I would think it would take three to four days to paint depending on how elaborate the design is.
broncoman wrote:So does anyone know what kind of train the DRG heritage unit was moved from the paint shop to Denver in? I am curious as to how quickly the SP unit could be moved from paint to Roseville if the unveiling date is the 19th. How high priority would it be if it needed to be? Would they move it by itself, or a special train?Does anyone know what its first train out of Roseville will be? Eric any idea?Dave
Is the painting completed? The unveiling is in twelve days, so if it is finished, I do not think they would need to worry much about getting it to Roseville in time. Perhaps it will go to Chicago, then go on a QPRNP, then on a QNPRV. What do you think Carl? Hopefully he reads this thread.
As for what its initial assignment will be, my guesses are perhaps a hauler to Oakland or a MRVWC.
chad thomas wrote:You sure got that right. Instead of calling them heritage units they should be cald the copyright units.
That is what I, and some other people, think when we see them. I posted "YooPee lawyer tax" on an MR forum and caught heck for it. Someone didn't like me Phonetically spelling youpee. They made it sound as if I was going to be hearing from the Pope because of it. Basically what I said and, tried to explain, was that maybe they [ the youpee ] might've scored more points, with modelers, railfans and perhaps employees and former employees, by telling us the money from the licence B.S. would be put into the steam program. But doing it the way they did the money just seems to be going towards litigation and rebuilding PR.Thank God, the 7342's and 7399's paint wasn't the same as the popcicles.
Gluefinger wrote:Unfortunately there will be no SSW, nor will there be CGW, M&STl, C&EI, etc...(as stated by UP's John Bromley)
videomaker wrote:Hey Fuzzybroken, Thats cool the way you made that picture change like that ! How'd you do that? I never seen that before...
Hey Fuzzybroken,
Thats cool the way you made that picture change like that ! How'd you do that? I never seen that before...
Little bit of "airbrushing" in Paint Shop Pro, and move the number to center it under the cab. The switching picture is a little Javascript trick that I've used in the past on my website, coupled with a trick that I learned from a photo album generator program that I used a few times. If you want a more specific answer, contact me directly, or on the 3um...
broncoman wrote:Does UP get to keep the licensing on SSW if they don't have something. There are a lot of model railroad stuff that is Cotton Belt, or does that fall under some SP kind of trademark since it would be a bloody nose?
The "wings" on the side of the nose are they same for a particular locomotive whether SP or SSW. There is a SSW hopper that UP has painted with Cotton Belt's logo on it.
neil300 wrote: There are a good many of SP AC44 still unpatched. I have seen them around Grand Junction, CO and about 15 in coal trains running through North Platte, NE on Powder river trains. According to the roster on the UP website, as of 1/1/06 there are 57 AC44 yet to be renumbered along with 2 B23-7's, 5 GP38-2's, 1 GP40, 20 GP40-2's, 10 GP60's, 21 SD40-2's (probably tunnel mtrs), 3 SD40T-2's, and 2 SW1500's. 121 units in all not counting SSW or DRGW locos. I already stated where the AC's are. A lot of the GP60's are working rock trains around Dallas and East Texas. (Saw UP 1900 ex-DRGW GP60 in longview on Sat). I have seen one GP38-2 and two of the GP40-2's in Fort Worth a GP38-2 switching just west of the Colton,CA yard and another unpatched ex-SD45 at the yard. There is a side track on the North side of the Downing B Jenks shop in Little Rock, AR that has a B30-7 and an SD40 in clean unpatched SP speed lettering.
There are a good many of SP AC44 still unpatched. I have seen them around Grand Junction, CO and about 15 in coal trains running through North Platte, NE on Powder river trains. According to the roster on the UP website, as of 1/1/06 there are 57 AC44 yet to be renumbered along with 2 B23-7's, 5 GP38-2's, 1 GP40, 20 GP40-2's, 10 GP60's, 21 SD40-2's (probably tunnel mtrs), 3 SD40T-2's, and 2 SW1500's. 121 units in all not counting SSW or DRGW locos. I already stated where the AC's are. A lot of the GP60's are working rock trains around Dallas and East Texas. (Saw UP 1900 ex-DRGW GP60 in longview on Sat). I have seen one GP38-2 and two of the GP40-2's in Fort Worth a GP38-2 switching just west of the Colton,CA yard and another unpatched ex-SD45 at the yard. There is a side track on the North side of the Downing B Jenks shop in Little Rock, AR that has a B30-7 and an SD40 in clean unpatched SP speed lettering.
The SD40-2s are the MK rebuilds from circa 1994 (former SD40s, SD45s, SDP45s, and SD45s with the radiator sections from GP40s).
chad thomas wrote: I totaly agree with that. I don't think any other locos were painted like that. BTW- those units are still around, tucked away somewhere in Oakland.
I totaly agree with that.
I don't think any other locos were painted like that. BTW- those units are still around, tucked away somewhere in Oakland.
Thats cool the way you made that picture change like that ! How'd you do that? I never seen that before...Anyway,I think the SP Heritage unit will be a cross beteween the black widow and the current scheme.. Danny
broncoman wrote:Lets just pray that the designers never saw picture of the Sulzer powered units (7030-7033) with the popsicle paint scheme and try to merge that in somehow. Where there any other units that color?Dave
vsmith wrote: While Black Widow scheme would be nice, Daylight would be more likely, but dont count out Bloody Nose scheme yet....! Anyone know when its to debute?
vsmith wrote: Well if they want to be true to SPs units I remember it should be grimy grey mixed with oil and dirt, highlighted with rusted panels, mismatched and loose or missing access door colors and topped off with a lacey tracery of vile graffiti over every square inch of it! While Black Widow scheme would be nice, Daylight would be more likely, but dont count out Bloody Nose sceme yet....! Anyone know when its to debute?
Vic:
You said exactly what I was thinking. Once put in service, all UP will have to do is just run the wheels off of it, No need to spend money on upkeep.
Brian (IA) http://blhanel.rrpicturearchives.net.
ericsp wrote: silicon212 wrote: ericsp wrote:I hope it stays away from here. I do not care to see the butchering of SP schemes that it will be. Remember, these are HERITAGE units. They celebrate the lineage of the parent, UP. They are not SP locomotives. They are not C&NW locomotives. They do not belong to MKT, MoPac, WP, D&RGW or anyone else but UP. While I also lament the loss of the SP, at least I can know that UP isn't forgetting its roots. Exactly, it is not an SP unit, nor will it be in an SP scheme. Even if they were to paint it in the Halloween or Popsicle schemes, at least it would have been painted in an SP scheme. Since it appears they are numbering the locomotives for the last year of that railroad's existance, it would make sense to paint the locomotives in the last paint scheme of each the railroads. If UP wants to remember its roots, I have a suggestion on how to do that, for a while, and save some money. Don't renumber the locomotives from railroads UP took over until it is time to completely repaint the locomotive. Once all of the CNW, DRGW, SSW, and SP locomotives have been repainted or retired, then do sometime of heritage unit. Of course probably by that time all of the heritage units will be back in usual UP paint. I am still trying to figure out why you wrote the particular reply in response to what I wrote. I never wrote it was an SP unit. By the way, they probably actually belong to some financial institution.
silicon212 wrote: ericsp wrote:I hope it stays away from here. I do not care to see the butchering of SP schemes that it will be. Remember, these are HERITAGE units. They celebrate the lineage of the parent, UP. They are not SP locomotives. They are not C&NW locomotives. They do not belong to MKT, MoPac, WP, D&RGW or anyone else but UP. While I also lament the loss of the SP, at least I can know that UP isn't forgetting its roots.
ericsp wrote:I hope it stays away from here. I do not care to see the butchering of SP schemes that it will be.
Remember, these are HERITAGE units. They celebrate the lineage of the parent, UP. They are not SP locomotives. They are not C&NW locomotives. They do not belong to MKT, MoPac, WP, D&RGW or anyone else but UP. While I also lament the loss of the SP, at least I can know that UP isn't forgetting its roots.
Exactly, it is not an SP unit, nor will it be in an SP scheme. Even if they were to paint it in the Halloween or Popsicle schemes, at least it would have been painted in an SP scheme.
Since it appears they are numbering the locomotives for the last year of that railroad's existance, it would make sense to paint the locomotives in the last paint scheme of each the railroads.
If UP wants to remember its roots, I have a suggestion on how to do that, for a while, and save some money. Don't renumber the locomotives from railroads UP took over until it is time to completely repaint the locomotive. Once all of the CNW, DRGW, SSW, and SP locomotives have been repainted or retired, then do sometime of heritage unit. Of course probably by that time all of the heritage units will be back in usual UP paint.
I am still trying to figure out why you wrote the particular reply in response to what I wrote. I never wrote it was an SP unit. By the way, they probably actually belong to some financial institution.
What I was actually getting at is that it's a UP unit. I wound't expect them to do an SP scheme for a UP unit (although I'm with you in thinking that it should be an SP paint job). It would be nice, but it ain't gonna happen. At least UP is painting a unit in a paint scheme other than the ubiquitous Armour Yellow.
Personally, a black widow, or a daylight, or a combo scheme would look sweet. The bloody nose never looked good on a widecab, in my opinion.
NO, thank God. Those were awful.
broncoman wrote: SchemerBob wrote: UP's first 3 Heritages (MoPac, WP, MKT) wern't really as good as they could have been, if you ask me. But the D&RGW and CNW engines look okay; they are more based on the original freight paint schemes. So, the SP SD70ACe should be gray with white lettering and a bright red nose. That's the paint scheme I think of when I think of Southern Pacific. Of course, it's not going to be exactly like the original...although it could be. I would be curious if the idea for the SP unit is set in stone or if they are watching the various RR forums to garner a little more input. I would be curious if they might adopt a daylight scheme from 4999 (more orange). It seem like all schemes were open to use on the previous units.
SchemerBob wrote: UP's first 3 Heritages (MoPac, WP, MKT) wern't really as good as they could have been, if you ask me. But the D&RGW and CNW engines look okay; they are more based on the original freight paint schemes. So, the SP SD70ACe should be gray with white lettering and a bright red nose. That's the paint scheme I think of when I think of Southern Pacific. Of course, it's not going to be exactly like the original...although it could be.
UP's first 3 Heritages (MoPac, WP, MKT) wern't really as good as they could have been, if you ask me. But the D&RGW and CNW engines look okay; they are more based on the original freight paint schemes. So, the SP SD70ACe should be gray with white lettering and a bright red nose. That's the paint scheme I think of when I think of Southern Pacific.
Of course, it's not going to be exactly like the original...although it could be.
I would be curious if the idea for the SP unit is set in stone or if they are watching the various RR forums to garner a little more input. I would be curious if they might adopt a daylight scheme from 4999 (more orange). It seem like all schemes were open to use on the previous units.
I think all the schemes were designed by an outside firm last year.
Its probably of no consolation but the ac4400s that are pretty much peranently assigned to Donner duty are so smoked out that they look like SP units. It stinks that they don't even keep the SP painted ACs out of the Roseville yard, they end up with coad duty. Are there still a couple ACs in SP colors?
You sure got that right. Instead of calling them heritage units they should be cald the copyright units.
Have fun with your trains
The fact that the 8523 is in Butler now means that they've at least taken it off the Janesville runs, where it's been hiding for the last couple of weeks or longer.
I wonder--if we had an exaggerated lightning stripe on the CNW unit, exaggerated mountains on the D&RGW unit, etc., could we expect to see a fully-bloodied cab (instead of just the nose), followed by some combination of black and gray.
Point to consider (though it's probably too late): SSW was a separate railroad for almost as long as the SP was. Maybe a nod in that direction would be considered.
Carl
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