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QUOTE: Originally posted by Tharmeni Probably a stupid question, but does NJ transit operate outside the state of NJ?
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QUOTE: Originally posted by tomtrain Stumbled across this article about cheaper Philly-NYC train service. Mentioned casinos. http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/14741641.htm
QUOTE: Originally posted by oltmannd QUOTE: Originally posted by tomtrain Stumbled across this article about cheaper Philly-NYC train service. Mentioned casinos. http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/14741641.htm Apparently, the casinos and Casino Reinvestment Development Authority will fund the equipment and subsidize the operation. Very interesting. Thanks for the link!
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QUOTE: Originally posted by Leon Silverman Hate to burst everyone's bubble, but the latest newscast I saw showed a map of the train route roughly following the the Garden State Parkway (along the eastern coast of NJ, meaning that there will be no connection through either Philadelphia or Trenton. Atlantic Countyr Resident.
QUOTE: Originally posted by gardendance oltmannd mentioned "Coulda used old C&A on the other side of the river if NJT had done commuter rail instead of light rail" I'm not sure there's enough advantage to using the Camden and Amboy. The connection between the Atlantic City line, which is the approach to the Delaire drawbridge over the Delaware River, to the to the Camden and Amboy is an east or west to south wye, with single track to continue north to Trenton. The connection between the Atlantic City line and the Northeast Corridor is also a wye, but you get 4 very fast tracks going onto the Northeast Corridor. So as the track arrangement stands now there's no way to avoid changing ends whether at Frankford Junction to the Northeast Corridor, or at Delaire to the Camden and Amboy. Also there's no law that says one must change power when one gets onto the Northeast Corridor. When Amtrak ran its New York to Atlantic City service they ran electric out of New York and changed to a diesel locomotive in Philadelphia, initally at Frankford Junction, with no passenger stop in Philly, then subsequently at 30th St, which meant a longer running time, but allowed them to handle Philadelphia passengers, and gave them a bit more flexibility in marshalling locomotives. Of course there's also no law that says a competent railroad couldn't have properly handled locomotive changes at Frankford Junction, it just turned out that Amtrak wasn't very succesfull in this case. I hope I'm not getting too far off topic, but why does NJ transit have so many diesel trains that go through or across the electrified Northeast Corridor without changing power and continuing under the Hudson River to New York? Why don't they have a place near Manhatten in the New Jersey meadows where they can transfer from diesel to electric locomotives? Surely some sort of Manhatten Transfer could work for at least some of their customers who would rather not change trains at Newark or Hoboken?
QUOTE: Originally posted by gardendance not only is the Garden State Parkway routing not the way I understand NJT plans to run, there is no railroad there. It would indeed be wonderful news if true, since it would mean we'd get a new railroad, not just restored service on existing tracks.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Harry_Runyon QUOTE: Originally posted by gardendance not only is the Garden State Parkway routing not the way I understand NJT plans to run, there is no railroad there. It would indeed be wonderful news if true, since it would mean we'd get a new railroad, not just restored service on existing tracks. Unless of course the news station was mis-informed and was alluding to the former Jersey Central "Blue Comet" route. But to restore that line would take a massive infusion of cash, and the state of New Jersey is not about to do that.
QUOTE: Originally posted by motor QUOTE: Originally posted by Harry_Runyon QUOTE: Originally posted by gardendance not only is the Garden State Parkway routing not the way I understand NJT plans to run, there is no railroad there. It would indeed be wonderful news if true, since it would mean we'd get a new railroad, not just restored service on existing tracks. Unless of course the news station was mis-informed and was alluding to the former Jersey Central "Blue Comet" route. But to restore that line would take a massive infusion of cash, and the state of New Jersey is not about to do that. From where to where did the Blue Comet run? That's a train I never heard of. I don' t have time to Google or Yahoo right now. motor
QUOTE: Originally posted by oltmannd You'd have to relay the NE leg of the connection at Delair. The alignment is still intact - the Nellie Bly used to use it. If NJT had done commuter rail on the C&A, they could have done all sorts of interesting things. It would have integrated the commuter rail network in North Jersey with the AC line. NJT doesn't have any diesels that operate under the Hudson. Are you asking why they don't run more of the diesels trains into Penn by swapping engines? NJT currently has all it's "slots" in the Hudson river tunnel filled up. They can't run any more trains in rush hour - only figure ways to increase seating on trains.
QUOTE: Originally posted by gardendance QUOTE: Originally posted by oltmannd You'd have to relay the NE leg of the connection at Delair. The alignment is still intact - the Nellie Bly used to use it. If NJT had done commuter rail on the C&A, they could have done all sorts of interesting things. It would have integrated the commuter rail network in North Jersey with the AC line. NJT doesn't have any diesels that operate under the Hudson. Are you asking why they don't run more of the diesels trains into Penn by swapping engines? NJT currently has all it's "slots" in the Hudson river tunnel filled up. They can't run any more trains in rush hour - only figure ways to increase seating on trains. I'm a daily commuter thru Delair. I haven't noticed any evidence of a NE alignment, I'll try to pay more attention next time I go by, but it sure looks like there are houses in the way. I still feel any advantage you get would get from not having to double cross the Delaware River, including avoiding the one drawbridge, is offset by the extensive single tracking and the lower speed limits on the New Jersey side south of Trenton. Thanks for reminding me that the Hudson River tunnels are already full. But in this example, gamblers trains could possibly be marketable at times of the day that are off peak to normal people. I notice there's another thread Amtrak FL9 locomotives to operate NJT Atlantic City Service?
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