QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal Now, is the pollution coming from China a problem? Of course. Unlike the US, who's environmental laws can best be described as overkill, China's environmental laws are on the other end of the spectrum, e.g. either just lip service to show the world that they might start doing something about it, or simply not following a common sense/stewardship approach.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by dsktc So, our enviromental laws are extreme? Perhaps you would prefer dirty water and befouled air. Or perhaps you don't understand the public health implications of a polluted environment. Or perhaps you don't care, as long as it affects someone else. You really should be working for the Bush Administration. Dave QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal Now, is the pollution coming from China a problem? Of course. Unlike the US, who's environmental laws can best be described as overkill, China's environmental laws are on the other end of the spectrum, e.g. either just lip service to show the world that they might start doing something about it, or simply not following a common sense/stewardship approach.
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal You see what I mean? Dare to question and parse current environmental dogma, and you are accused of hating clean air/water/et al, by clones like dsktc. I made it perfectly clear that the US environmental laws are overkill, while so-called environmental laws in China are nothing more than window dressing, and that what we all need is a common sense approach to environmental stewardship. dsktc, you are part of the problem. You cannot see past your own extremism. Or can you even concieve that there is such a thing as environmental extremism?
Nothing is more fairly distributed than common sense: no one thinks he needs more of it than he already has.
QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz global warming global cooling ice age coming arctic ice is melting asteroids earthquakes tsunamis volcanic eruptions floods hurricanes tornadoes terrorism the anti-christ illegal aliens space aliens bird flu aids over-eating over-smoking drugs alcohol crime in the streets Iraq Iran North Korea unaccounted-for nuclear waste nuclear war open-access railroads Please pick your prefered paranoia, and then proceed to rant and rave about it. Then hide under your sheets behind closed doors, trembling in fear of whatever the media is trying to scare you with today. We're all going to die; some of us by more exciting methods than others.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz We're all going to die; some of us by more exciting methods than others.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Tulyar15 So the fact that the polar ice caps have been shown to be melting (which will cause a 6; rise in sea levels!) doesn't alarm you!
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QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith I guess we'll only be sure global warming is real when Florida is under 10 feet of water....
QUOTE: ...., even then, I'm positive there will be some who will blame it on illegal immigrants or Saddam Hussien or someother straw man.
QUOTE: PS did anyone see the PBS Nova science show on how pollutants in the atmosphere have been reflecting some sunlight back into space, dampening the overall increase in global climate warming? Scary stuff....it could be a harbinger of the beginnig of a true greenhouse effect globally. Of course we dont even know if anything today can alter changes that began decades ago, we may just have to be ready for the coming heatwave that no amount of political spin can offset
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith I guess we'll only be sure global warming is real when Florida is under 10 feet of water, even then, I'm positive there will be some who will blame it on illegal immigrants or Saddam Hussien or someother straw man. PS did anyone see the PBS Nova science show on how pollutants in the atmosphere have been reflecting some sunlight back into space, dampening the overall increase in global climate warming? Scary stuff....it could be a harbinger of the beginnig of a true greenhouse effect globally. Of course we dont even know if anything today can alter changes that began decades ago, we may just have to be ready for the coming heatwave that no amount of political spin can offset
QUOTE: Originally posted by EUCLID TRAVIS Political scientists know that socialism can only expand by hiding its intent. It either has to pretend that it is something that it is not or it must come on so slowly that nobody notices; a mode referred to as creeping socialism. Saving the planet from global warming is the latest mask being used to hide the advancement of world socialism, which is intended to transfer wealth from the richest nations to all other nations. In the deepest terms, it is accurate to say that global warming has nothing to do with climate. Saving the planet is just the sales pitch for the bitter medicine that hides behind the mask. The doctrine that is intended to promulgate this principle is the Kyoto Treaty on climate change. Basically, it divides up the right to emit carbon dioxide and other pollutants equally among all nations, thus permitting the United States no more of this right than a country the size of Cuba for example. The treaty allows these basic assigned pollution credits to be sold to, or purchased by all countries as if the credits were a trading currency. The United States, being a large manufacturing country, produces the greatest amount of pollutants, so it will need to purchase pollution credits from smaller countries that will naturally have an excess of such credits. In this way, the wealth of the United States will be transferred to all of the third world countries. What it boils down to is a world carbon tax administered by the United Nations. The result will be a leveling of the playing field in terms of world wealth. The mechanics of the Kyoto Treaty require the United States to cut its energy consumption by 30% within ten years. Aside from the wealth transfer, the economic result of this energy cutback alone is too staggering to imagine. If the American people were somehow made aware of it, they would reject the Kyoto Treaty on that basis alone, even if they did not see the sinister agenda that lurks behind it. Many Americans think they are clever to see through the motives of Big Oil, which opposes Kyoto for its own economic self-interest. But too many of them are not clever enough to see the main motive behind this smoke screen. All it will take is enough people believing in global warming as it is being sold, and Kyoto or some version of it will happen. The mainstream media is selling global warming every day now as if it were an infomercial. They don't see the agenda behind it. They are just giddy over the p.c., green, save the planet message, which is as deep as they go. The way things are going, I wouldn’t be surprised if Bush and the Republicans in congress suddenly came out and said they were ready to sign Kyoto. Certainly the Democrats will if they get in power. So when it comes to $3.50 per gallon gas, I say enjoy it while it lasts.
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by Tulyar15 So the fact that the polar ice caps have been shown to be melting (which will cause a 6; rise in sea levels!) doesn't alarm you! Do the ice in the bowl of water experiment first, then tell us if you think an alleged melt-off of polar ice will raise sea levels.
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