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Posted by bobwilcox on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:23 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

Mudchicken - what was your college degree? Or did you have one?

Stick to what you know - rotten ties, rusty spikes, and weedy ballast. Leave the economics to those who have the degree.


Dave - Are you starting to feel lonely? Suggest you knock off the childish coments if you want anyone to even read your posts.
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 6:37 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

Mudchicken - what was your college degree? Or did you have one?

Stick to what you know - rotten ties, rusty spikes, and weedy ballast. Leave the economics to those who have the degree.

Methinks that these are the rantings of an intellectual snob.

Dave, whenever you turn your ears off to what others have to say, especially those who disagree with you, you have closed your mind and have decided that you have nothing more to learn.

A mind is like an umbrella, it only functions when it is open.
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:22 AM


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Hey Dave- any chance you could make a quick list of the under-utilized or dormant rail lines that will be really busy 10 years from now? 20 years from now? That way, the railroads would have an easier time planning some of this stuff?[;)][:-,]

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal
So your asking me to predict what rail management will stumble into 10 or 20 years from now? We don't even know what the outcome of pending legislation in Congress will be. Where will new coal fired plants be located? Or will anti-coal politicians sweep into office in the next few elections?


Well, you kind of just proved my point there buckwheat.[;)] You're saying that someone with your economic pedigree can't predict the future, because of some uncertainties? [;)] Come on- you chide the railroads, after the fact, for not doing it.[:-,] Wouldn't you think the view was just a little bit *fuzzier* in the crystal ball 20-25 years ago? And they had to do it without your intellectual insight.[:p]

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Posted by TomDiehl on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:22 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

Mudchicken - what was your college degree? Or did you have one?

Stick to what you know - rotten ties, rusty spikes, and weedy ballast. Leave the economics to those who have the degree.

Methinks that these are the rantings of an intellectual snob.

Dave, whenever you turn your ears off to what others have to say, especially those who disagree with you, you have closed your mind and have decided that you have nothing more to learn.

A mind is like an umbrella, it only functions when it is open.


Paul, we could easily ask him the same thing. Look at his profile and you'll find out his name is "Dave." Nothing else there.

To bring up another old saying, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:22 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding



QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding
Hey Dave- any chance you could make a quick list of the under-utilized or dormant rail lines that will be really busy 10 years from now? 20 years from now? That way, the railroads would have an easier time planning some of this stuff?[;)][:-,]

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal
So your asking me to predict what rail management will stumble into 10 or 20 years from now? We don't even know what the outcome of pending legislation in Congress will be. Where will new coal fired plants be located? Or will anti-coal politicians sweep into office in the next few elections?


Well, you kind of just proved my point there buckwheat.[;)] You're saying that someone with your economic pedigree can't predict the future, because of some uncertainties? [;)] Come on- you chide the railroads, after the fact, for not doing it.[:-,] Wouldn't you think the view was just a little bit *fuzzier* in the crystal ball 20-25 years ago? And they had to do it without your intellectual insight.[:p]


I think YOU missed the point there spanky. Railroads have emasculated themselves with the belief that certain lines were "excess capacity", yet they have no crystal ball in determining that those lines actually were excess in the railroad's long term planning (which goes out on a limb in assuming they do engage in long term planning!). Why would you lop off body parts if you did not know for sure that you absolutely would not need them anymore? The cost of keeping an asset is much less than the cost of having to rebuild such an asset from scratch.

Again, I ask you, do you know of any other industry that engages in asset reduction as a part of their long term business strategy? Or do I have to explain "asset" to you?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:24 AM
Tom,

My college degree is in economics.

What's yours?
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:05 AM
United States Steel closed and demolished the South Works because it was excess capacity and had already been idle for several years. The same applies for several other now-gone mills in the Calumet Region and elsewhere. Should management have retained these assets against the day that demand for steel would rise?

Holding onto idle unproductive assets will not sit too well with shareholders in this day and age and this is a factor that management has to keep in mind whether they like it or not. This may not sit well with Dave's economic theories but it is the real world.
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Posted by georgr on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:09 AM
Hello, I have t o let my "wisdom" out on this one.
Today the railroads are geared towards Wall street and profit only. But this is not the most important thing for a rail road. I think the rail road has to invest in it self to keep up with the assets they own. Because once it has deteriated to a point of no return. or ripped out, it is gone and will cost an exesive amount to bring back. It is almost like a farmer that you have to plant your seeds bevor you can harvest. Yes it takes time to do that. Today time does not exist anymore in busines. To bad. So for a rail road it would mean to spend more money on infrastructure than shares. Keep excessive capacity as long as possible because if a service is there a customer will come. Reintroduce or keep, should have kept, capacity and the coal or other goods will be able to flow.
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:33 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding



QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding
Hey Dave- any chance you could make a quick list of the under-utilized or dormant rail lines that will be really busy 10 years from now? 20 years from now? That way, the railroads would have an easier time planning some of this stuff?[;)][:-,]

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal
So your asking me to predict what rail management will stumble into 10 or 20 years from now? We don't even know what the outcome of pending legislation in Congress will be. Where will new coal fired plants be located? Or will anti-coal politicians sweep into office in the next few elections?


Well, you kind of just proved my point there buckwheat.[;)] You're saying that someone with your economic pedigree can't predict the future, because of some uncertainties? [;)] Come on- you chide the railroads, after the fact, for not doing it.[:-,] Wouldn't you think the view was just a little bit *fuzzier* in the crystal ball 20-25 years ago? And they had to do it without your intellectual insight.[:p]


I think YOU missed the point there spanky. Railroads have emasculated themselves with the belief that certain lines were "excess capacity", yet they have no crystal ball in determining that those lines actually were excess in the railroad's long term planning (which goes out on a limb in assuming they do engage in long term planning!). Why would you lop off body parts if you did not know for sure that you absolutely would not need them anymore? The cost of keeping an asset is much less than the cost of having to rebuild such an asset from scratch.

Again, I ask you, do you know of any other industry that engages in asset reduction as a part of their long term business strategy? Or do I have to explain "asset" to you?

The answer to your last question , is every industry disposes of assets that they don't forsee being of any use in the future, based on the information they have at the present.
Which relates to the statement above. You keep harping on the railroads for asset reduction that they didn't forsee being of any use in the future, based on the information that had at the time. Even an economics major should be able to see the drawbacks of not having a crystal ball. It's just too easy to judge the railroads on a woulda/shoulda/coulda basis, based on 29 years of hindsight. Note that you should also give them heck for not investing in Microsoft too.[;)]

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Posted by TomDiehl on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:51 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

Tom,

My college degree is in economics.

What's yours?


Why isn't that on your profile?

Are you ashamed of it?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:57 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding



QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding
Hey Dave- any chance you could make a quick list of the under-utilized or dormant rail lines that will be really busy 10 years from now? 20 years from now? That way, the railroads would have an easier time planning some of this stuff?[;)][:-,]

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal
So your asking me to predict what rail management will stumble into 10 or 20 years from now? We don't even know what the outcome of pending legislation in Congress will be. Where will new coal fired plants be located? Or will anti-coal politicians sweep into office in the next few elections?


Well, you kind of just proved my point there buckwheat.[;)] You're saying that someone with your economic pedigree can't predict the future, because of some uncertainties? [;)] Come on- you chide the railroads, after the fact, for not doing it.[:-,] Wouldn't you think the view was just a little bit *fuzzier* in the crystal ball 20-25 years ago? And they had to do it without your intellectual insight.[:p]


I think YOU missed the point there spanky. Railroads have emasculated themselves with the belief that certain lines were "excess capacity", yet they have no crystal ball in determining that those lines actually were excess in the railroad's long term planning (which goes out on a limb in assuming they do engage in long term planning!). Why would you lop off body parts if you did not know for sure that you absolutely would not need them anymore? The cost of keeping an asset is much less than the cost of having to rebuild such an asset from scratch.

Again, I ask you, do you know of any other industry that engages in asset reduction as a part of their long term business strategy? Or do I have to explain "asset" to you?

The answer to your last question , is every industry disposes of assets that they don't forsee being of any use in the future, based on the information they have at the present.
Which relates to the statement above. You keep harping on the railroads for asset reduction that they didn't forsee being of any use in the future, based on the information that had at the time. Even an economics major should be able to see the drawbacks of not having a crystal ball. It's just too easy to judge the railroads on a woulda/shoulda/coulda basis, based on 29 years of hindsight. Note that you should also give them heck for not investing in Microsoft too.[;)]


Well, there's a "tell" in all this:

The railroads publicly claimed they had excess capacity which needed to be lopped off....

BUT

....the reality of it was they only wanted to reduce capacity to increase pricing power.

Thus, there was no "excess capacity" as in too many assets relative to their customer base, because even back then just about any rail shipper was desirous of more rail options, not less. Rather, the railroads in reality lusted after a greater share of their customers' wealth, and the only way to get their hands on it was to reduce the number of assets serving their customers, thus optimizing pricing selectivity. Such can only happen under monopoly situations, because under competitive situations other service providers would simply take up the slack left by the self-emasculators.

Again I will reiterate: THERE WAS NO EXCESS CAPACITY, ONLY UNDERACHIEVEMENT RELATIVE TO THE RAIL SHIPPER.
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Posted by rrandb on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:27 PM
Let me offer this. When a line becomes unprofitable, (in the case of class 1's that can mean breaking even) , they usually offer to sell or more often lease the line to a Short Line Operator or even a muniicipality. This is usually at first a short term lease with an option to extend. If the SLO is unable to make a go it will probably be abandoned due to a lack of traffic. The railroads still own many miles of track ( that they no longer operate) thou some of them are just existing hand to mouth. There is no good business model that states you should roll the dice and pay taxes on unproductive assets. Look at the brilliant investment the state of WA made in the former PCE. They are desperate for more capacity but no one has suggested they re-lay track on it.[2c]
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Posted by MichaelSol on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:39 PM
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Look at the brilliant investment the state of WA made in the former PCE. They are desperate for more capacity but no one has suggested they re-lay track on it.[2c]

HOUSE BILL REPORT
SSB 6527
As Passed House - Amended:
March 2, 2006
Title: An act relating to the Milwaukee Road cross-state trail.

In 1980, the Milwaukee Road railroad declared bankruptcy, sold some of its properties, and salvaged its track. In 1981, the Legislature appropriated $3.5 million to purchase 213 miles of the railroad's right of way in eastern Washington.

The right of way owned by the state was eventually put under the management and control of three state agencies: the State Parks and Recreation Commission, the Department of Natural Resources (DNR), and the Department of Transportation (DOT).

House Bill Report - 1 - SSB 6527 During the 1995 legislative interim, the Legislative Transportation Committee convened a Freight Rail and Freight Mobility Task Force to examine the Milwaukee Road corridor's potential for relieving freight congestion. The task force recommended resuming freight rail service over the portion of the former Milwaukee Road railroad running from Ellensburg to Lind.

Legislation in 1996 consolidated state-owned portions of the former Milwaukee Road railroad from Ellensburg to Lind into a single owner, the DOT. The DOT was charged with management and control of this corridor, and was authorized to negotiate a franchise agreement with a qualified rail carrier to operate service over the line.

The legislation creating the consolidated transportation corridor was to sunset if the DOT did not enter into a franchise agreement by July 1, 1999. Management of the trail between Ellensburg and Lind would revert back to the three state agencies. In 1999 the Legislature extended the deadline for the DOT to enter into a franchise agreement to July 1, 2006.

Summary of Amended Bill:
The deadline for the DOT to enter into a franchise agreement for rail service over the Ellensburg to Lind portion of the Milwaukee Road corridor is extended three years. If an agreement is not entered into by July 1, 2009, the Ellensburg to Lind portion of the transportation corridor will revert to the prior ownership and management by the DOT, he State Parks and Recreation Commission, and the DNR.

The transfer to the State Parks and Recreation Commission of the portion of the corridor between Lind and the Idaho border is effective on the effective date of the Act. The DNR is authorized to transfer management authority of the transportation corridor to the State Parks and Recreation Commission, upon mutual agreement of the agencies
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:41 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding



QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding
Hey Dave- any chance you could make a quick list of the under-utilized or dormant rail lines that will be really busy 10 years from now? 20 years from now? That way, the railroads would have an easier time planning some of this stuff?[;)][:-,]

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal
So your asking me to predict what rail management will stumble into 10 or 20 years from now? We don't even know what the outcome of pending legislation in Congress will be. Where will new coal fired plants be located? Or will anti-coal politicians sweep into office in the next few elections?


Well, you kind of just proved my point there buckwheat.[;)] You're saying that someone with your economic pedigree can't predict the future, because of some uncertainties? [;)] Come on- you chide the railroads, after the fact, for not doing it.[:-,] Wouldn't you think the view was just a little bit *fuzzier* in the crystal ball 20-25 years ago? And they had to do it without your intellectual insight.[:p]


I think YOU missed the point there spanky. Railroads have emasculated themselves with the belief that certain lines were "excess capacity", yet they have no crystal ball in determining that those lines actually were excess in the railroad's long term planning (which goes out on a limb in assuming they do engage in long term planning!). Why would you lop off body parts if you did not know for sure that you absolutely would not need them anymore? The cost of keeping an asset is much less than the cost of having to rebuild such an asset from scratch.

Again, I ask you, do you know of any other industry that engages in asset reduction as a part of their long term business strategy? Or do I have to explain "asset" to you?

The answer to your last question , is every industry disposes of assets that they don't forsee being of any use in the future, based on the information they have at the present.
Which relates to the statement above. You keep harping on the railroads for asset reduction that they didn't forsee being of any use in the future, based on the information that had at the time. Even an economics major should be able to see the drawbacks of not having a crystal ball. It's just too easy to judge the railroads on a woulda/shoulda/coulda basis, based on 29 years of hindsight. Note that you should also give them heck for not investing in Microsoft too.[;)]


Well, there's a "tell" in all this:

The railroads publicly claimed they had excess capacity which needed to be lopped off....

BUT

....the reality of it was they only wanted to reduce capacity to increase pricing power.

Thus, there was no "excess capacity" as in too many assets relative to their customer base, because even back then just about any rail shipper was desirous of more rail options, not less. Rather, the railroads in reality lusted after a greater share of their customers' wealth, and the only way to get their hands on it was to reduce the number of assets serving their customers, thus optimizing pricing selectivity. Such can only happen under monopoly situations, because under competitive situations other service providers would simply take up the slack left by the self-emasculators.

Again I will reiterate: THERE WAS NO EXCESS CAPACITY, ONLY UNDERACHIEVEMENT RELATIVE TO THE RAIL SHIPPER.

Well now we're back to the *big, mean railroads are picking on the poor,defenceless shippers* again?[}:)] Fine,let me jump right to the end of the story, and save you the time.[;)].........."and we would have gotten away with it, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids" Scooby-dooby-do!![xx(]

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Posted by bobwilcox on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:10 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding
Well now we're back to the *big, mean railroads are picking on the poor,defenceless shippers* again?[}:)] Fine,let me jump right to the end of the story, and save you the time.[;)].........."and we would have gotten away with it, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids" Scooby-dooby-do!![xx(]


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Posted by rrandb on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:13 PM
Let me rephrase that. The state of WA would LOVE to have the additional capacity of there former PCE extension they purchased. Thats why they bought it. Who is willing to risk putting track on it. No one in over 20 years.They have been looking for a long time and they do not have to pay taxes on it. To sugjest that capital companies could afford to railbank all there dead lines is beyond ludicris. Remember this is MS's preferred route to the NW.
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Posted by n012944 on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:19 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by n012944

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal
Many other industries will maintain "unused" assets for long periods of time, because they understand the cyclical nature of business. Apparently, railroads do not understand this basic business tenet.

You see, if you scrap an asset, you don't have that asset later on when you need it. Now that the nation's energy and other transportation needs are such that abandoned lines would be put into play right now, it shows a lack of foresight (or a complete lack of concern) by the shortsighted railroad industry.

Don't these guys follow economic trends? Or did they think that the US was destined for a Soviet-style command economy, so why save assets if the railroads are going to be taken over by the federales?



Hey Dave- any chance you could make a quick list of the under-utilized or dormant rail lines that will be really busy 10 years from now? 20 years from now? That way, the railroads would have an easier time planning some of this stuff?[;)][:-,]


Again, I will ask you this: Can you name any other industry besides the rail industry that has engaged in such a canabalistic attitude toward it's hard assets?


The auto industry.


Nope, you're thinking of a few specific companies like GM or Ford, but not the aggregate industry as a whole, which continues to add assets.

GM and Ford aren't shutting those plants to extract more pricing power, they're rather on the losing end of the intra-industry competitive battle, e.g. losing market share to other auto makers, subsequently closing their plants while others open new ones. Toyota, Nissan, Lexus, et al are not lopping off assets, are they?


And the railroads were not abandoning lines to extract more pricing power, they were doing it to survive. Get your head out of your economics book and into the real world.


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Posted by n012944 on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:22 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

Mudchicken - what was your college degree? Or did you have one?

Stick to what you know - rotten ties, rusty spikes, and weedy ballast. Leave the economics to those who have the degree.



Dave,

Have you ever had a dissagreement with someone on this board without insulting them?

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Posted by TomDiehl on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:08 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by n012944

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

Mudchicken - what was your college degree? Or did you have one?

Stick to what you know - rotten ties, rusty spikes, and weedy ballast. Leave the economics to those who have the degree.



Dave,

Have you ever had a dissagreement with someone on this board without insulting them?


Now THAT would be a real scavenger hunt to find proof of that.
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Posted by rrandb on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:28 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by n012944

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

Mudchicken - what was your college degree? Or did you have one?
Stick to what you know - rotten ties, rusty spikes, and weedy ballast. Leave the economics to those who have the degree.

Dave,
Have you ever had a dissagreement with someone on this board without insulting them?

Now THAT would be a real scavenger hunt to find proof of that.
It is hard to find what does not exist. [:-^] Plus if you call them names then they will agree with you. [swg]
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Posted by n012944 on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:21 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by n012944

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal
Many other industries will maintain "unused" assets for long periods of time, because they understand the cyclical nature of business. Apparently, railroads do not understand this basic business tenet.

You see, if you scrap an asset, you don't have that asset later on when you need it. Now that the nation's energy and other transportation needs are such that abandoned lines would be put into play right now, it shows a lack of foresight (or a complete lack of concern) by the shortsighted railroad industry.

Don't these guys follow economic trends? Or did they think that the US was destined for a Soviet-style command economy, so why save assets if the railroads are going to be taken over by the federales?



Hey Dave- any chance you could make a quick list of the under-utilized or dormant rail lines that will be really busy 10 years from now? 20 years from now? That way, the railroads would have an easier time planning some of this stuff?[;)][:-,]


Again, I will ask you this: Can you name any other industry besides the rail industry that has engaged in such a canabalistic attitude toward it's hard assets?


The auto industry.


Nope, you're thinking of a few specific companies like GM or Ford, but not the aggregate industry as a whole, which continues to add assets.

GM and Ford aren't shutting those plants to extract more pricing power, they're rather on the losing end of the intra-industry competitive battle, e.g. losing market share to other auto makers, subsequently closing their plants while others open new ones. Toyota, Nissan, Lexus, et al are not lopping off assets, are they?


Thank you Dave. Since you understand the auto industry, let me put it in those terms. Think of the railroad industry in the early 80's as GM and Ford today. Then think of the trucking industry as Toyota, the air freight as Honda, and shipping as BMW. The railroads were losing out to new ways of doing things. The trucking industry was doing well with the expansion of the interstate highways, many of the 1st generation jet airliners were being moved from passenger to freight service, and the shipping industry was doing well with ACofE projects. Since you wanted examples how about the steel industry? They have gotten rid of a lot of capacity since the 1950's, was that a monopoly conspiracy too? I look foward to the spin that you put on this.


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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 8:30 PM
Bert,

Look through the past posts over the last few years and you would see that the insults originate with those who disagree with me. Do I respond in kind? Yes.

Now, do you still want to play dumb?
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Posted by TomDiehl on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:17 PM
From Page 2 Post 7, the first insult of the thread is thrown by....

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

Mudchicken - what was your college degree? Or did you have one?

Stick to what you know - rotten ties, rusty spikes, and weedy ballast. Leave the economics to those who have the degree.
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Posted by n012944 on Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:51 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

Bert,

Look through the past posts over the last few years and you would see that the insults originate with those who disagree with me. Do I respond in kind? Yes.

Now, do you still want to play dumb?


Well Dave, from what I have seen, YOU are the one that starts it the moment anyone disagrees with your off the wall thinking. If you want to justify yourself with that logic, go head. But the people on this board seem do think differently from your statement.


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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:25 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

Bert,

Look through the past posts over the last few years and you would see that the insults originate with those who disagree with me. Do I respond in kind? Yes.

Now, do you still want to play dumb?

Dave,
You need to stop putting down the rest of the world as ignoramuses or you will find that the rest of the world will begin to ignore you. Since you seem to believe that you have a monopoly on the truth, a dialogue with you quickly becomes an exercise in futility. Listen to the rest of the world, you may actually learn something.
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Posted by bobwilcox on Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:49 AM
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[Dave,
You need to stop putting down the rest of the world as ignoramuses or you will find that the rest of the world will begin to ignore you. Since you seem to believe that you have a monopoly on the truth, a dialogue with you quickly becomes an exercise in futility. Listen to the rest of the world, you may actually learn something.


It is past this stage.
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Posted by MichaelSol on Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:01 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

From Page 2 Post 7, the first insult of the thread is thrown by....

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

Mudchicken - what was your college degree? Or did you have one?

Stick to what you know - rotten ties, rusty spikes, and weedy ballast. Leave the economics to those who have the degree.


Which was unusual. Usually it's TomDiehl or edblysard.
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Posted by chad thomas on Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:05 PM
How can one ignore such comical material? [swg]
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Posted by TomDiehl on Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:00 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by MichaelSol

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

From Page 2 Post 7, the first insult of the thread is thrown by....

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

Mudchicken - what was your college degree? Or did you have one?

Stick to what you know - rotten ties, rusty spikes, and weedy ballast. Leave the economics to those who have the degree.


Which was unusual. Usually it's TomDiehl or edblysard.


Yeah, right. Maybe in your myopic world.
Smile, it makes people wonder what you're up to. Chief of Sanitation; Clowntown
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Posted by rrandb on Thursday, June 15, 2006 6:53 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

Bert,

Look through the past posts over the last few years and you would see that the insults originate with those who disagree with me. Do I respond in kind? Yes.

Now, do you still want to play dumb?

Dave,
You need to stop putting down the rest of the world as ignoramuses or you will find that the rest of the world will begin to ignore you. Since you seem to believe that you have a monopoly on the truth, a dialogue with you quickly becomes an exercise in futility. Listen to the rest of the world, you may actually learn something.
What do you mean by begin. I didn't realize anyone did pay attention. [#oops]

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