July TRAINS takes on the captive shipper debate - Best Issue Ever?

[n012944]

QUOTE: Originally posted by MichaelSol

QUOTE: Originally posted by n012944

QUOTE: Originally posted by MichaelSol

QUOTE: Originally posted by Character

By refusing to answer basic background questions, he merely leaves it open to our interpretation of the available facts.

OK, why do you hide behind a screen name? Something to hide?

What's your real name? What's your education? Job experience? Divorced? How many times?

These little games cut both ways ....

And they are ridiculous either way.

Funny how you ask for stuff you refuse to give out.

My name is pretty clearly "given out."

But the point was, the person demanding the information hides his own identity behind a fake name. Seems odd to be googling people but then hiding.

After all, what's to hide?

With the exception of your name, you too keep the same things hidden. Now I do not think that you should have to give all your personal info out, however when you ask for someones, like you did with Character, you should also be ready to provide the same.[2c]


Bert

[MichaelSol]

QUOTE: Originally posted by n012944
[With the exception of your name, you too keep the same things hidden. Now I do not think that you should have to give all your personal info out, however when you ask for someones, like you did with Character, you should also be ready to provide the same.[2c]

I keep what hidden? I'm in the yellow pages for cripes sake. I "advertise" -- in what world do you consider advertising "hiding"?

You miss the point. He not only demanded, he did so after going online and and doing a search. I did not invite him, but he chose to do so. That's fine, he posted his odd little suspicions. He seemd to take delight in it. I only suggested that therefore he ought to reciprocate with information of his own, such as his name, so that the rest of us can equally investigate his background.

Seems fair.

You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite on the matter, would you?

Now, anyhting about captive shippers?

[n012944]

QUOTE: Originally posted by MichaelSol

QUOTE: Originally posted by n012944
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You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite on the matter, would you?

My name is available to anyone who cares to look.


Bert

[MichaelSol]

Wasn't talking about your name, I was referrring to you having different standards for different people.

Character looks people up, demands information about them, discusses them openly, then hides himself behind a fake name. You seem devoid of indignation on the paradox.

Now, anything more about captive shippers?

[bobwilcox]

As many people know the C&NW had a line from Lander, WY to Fremont, NE (aka The Cowboy Line). It was retained many years longer than it would normally would have as the C&NW tried to figure out how they would serve coal mines being developed in the Powder River Basin. Untill that was wrapped up with the eventual UP joint venture (Northwest Town Properties) the abandoment of the line across N. NE was kept on hold. In other parts of the Northwestern there was an agressive abandoment program under way to cut 60% of the mileage that produced 10% of the revenue.

[Anonymous]

What's that, Bert? Can't here your latest "non insulting" words of wisdom, kinda muffled, hmmm....

Oh that's right. You're that talking pollyp from Ed's anal pore.[|(]

[edblysard]

Uhhh, Dave,
You missed some, right there around the lips....
Ed

[n012944]

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

What's that, Bert? Can't here your latest "non insulting" words of wisdom, kinda muffled, hmmm....

Oh that's right. You're that talking pollyp from Ed's anal pore.[|(]

What are you talking about?


Bert

[TomDiehl]

QUOTE: Originally posted by n012944

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

What's that, Bert? Can't here your latest "non insulting" words of wisdom, kinda muffled, hmmm....

Oh that's right. You're that talking pollyp from Ed's anal pore.[|(]

What are you talking about?

Bert

Just one of Dave's lame attempts at an insult. [?]

[n012944]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by n012944

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

What's that, Bert? Can't here your latest "non insulting" words of wisdom, kinda muffled, hmmm....

Oh that's right. You're that talking pollyp from Ed's anal pore.[|(]

What are you talking about?

Bert

Just one of Dave's lame attempts at an insult. [?]

As someone who resorts to insults when anyone proves that he is a fool, you would think that he would be better at it.

Bert

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by MichaelSol

QUOTE: Originally posted by Character

By refusing to answer basic background questions, he merely leaves it open to our interpretation of the available facts.

OK, why do you hide behind a screen name? Something to hide?

What's your real name? What's your education? Job experience? Divorced? How many times?

These little games cut both ways ....

And they are ridiculous either way.

No game here. I am not the one making sweeping assertions and drawing conclusions from limited facts (except where you are forcing me to by refusing to provide your background and basis for knowledge). You have made many extremely broad generalizations concerning everything from grain to railroads and back again...

Trying to shovel your speculations and half truths on us is probably much like arguing to a jury with little credibility. The result is also the same. Nobody here believes you either...

The following is a partial listing of my background, and is purposely not complete:

1. Class 1 Railroad manager (operating dept)

2. Class 1 RR craft employee (2 class 1 systems) locomotive engineer, conductor, trainman

3. Class 3 RR manager and Sr. Manager

4. Attorney 16 years (private practice 12 years) practice in multiple jurisdictions and before numerous state and federal courts and agencies including both ICC and STB. Good Ivy League College and old line law school in the east. Why, are you a non-ABA grad?

4. Prosecutor 3 years including felony jury trials, grand jury and misdemeanor jury trials and cases of all types.

5. Still happily married to my first and only wife. Why, how 'bout you?

I prefer to come here and not reveal my actual identity as others might construe my own thoughts as speaking on behalf of another person or entity. In any event, I am not trying to advance any particular cause, as you seem to. I rather enjoy seeing if I can learn something here from others with different expertise, not to see who can engage in the longest battle of wind. Between you and Dave (Futuremodal) you certainly add little more to a discussion than mere venom and speculation for any who dare not entirely agree with you.

And dodging your identity crisis by trying to turn it back on me won't change that. I'm not playing games, I'm asking what YOUR game is????

[MichaelSol]

You're the guy that won't sign his name. Got you beat by 10 years on law practice though, fours years as a judge, and Circuit Court admission -- I see you haven't gotten that far.

"I prefer to come here and not reveal my actual identity as others might construe my own thoughts as speaking on behalf of another person or entity"

????!!!!????

Uh-huh.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by MichaelSol

You're the guy that won't sign his name. Got you beat by 10 years on law practice though, and Circuit Court admission -- I see you haven't gotten that far.

"I prefer to come here and not reveal my actual identity ..."

"And dodging your identify crisis ..."

And you demand background "facts" from others.

Uh-huh.

How nice. As I said, I wasn't exhaustive. But since you asked. Four states, all by examination. One Federal Circuit Court and the one with those nine guys and gals in D.C., the Supremes is it? But who's counting...

Maybe I'll run for judge or seek an appointment some day, but I'm not ready for a rocking chair just yet...

And you still haven't come forward with the facts or challenged the ones I found about you. Hmmm. Perhaps I need to fire my investigator and go it alone. NAH! I'll just go back to railroading. It's much more fun...

[MichaelSol]

Sorry, Clark Kent, the BS meter pegged on this one.

"I prefer to come here and not reveal my actual identity as others might construe my own thoughts as speaking on behalf of another person or entity"

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by MichaelSol

Sorry, Clark Kent, the BS meter pegged on this one.

"I prefer to come here and not reveal my actual identity as others might construe my own thoughts as speaking on behalf of another person or entity"

You can say it as many times as you like. I'm not the one who needs credibility to support his fallacious arguments...

Oh, and I suppose you feel that great compulsion to have the last word, so feel free, it won't convince me, or anyone else. Your BS meter pegged a long time ago...

[edblysard]

Your claiming to be a former judge?
Oh man, and I though Montana was all screwed up because it was next door the Dakotas....

QUOTE: Originally posted by MichaelSol

You're the guy that won't sign his name. Got you beat by 10 years on law practice though, fours years as a judge, and Circuit Court admission -- I see you haven't gotten that far.

"I prefer to come here and not reveal my actual identity as others might construe my own thoughts as speaking on behalf of another person or entity"

????!!!!????

Uh-huh.

[Murphy Siding]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Your claiming to be a former judge?
Oh man, and I though Montana was all screwed up because it was next door the Dakotas....

QUOTE: Originally posted by MichaelSol

You're the guy that won't sign his name. Got you beat by 10 years on law practice though, fours years as a judge, and Circuit Court admission -- I see you haven't gotten that far.

"I prefer to come here and not reveal my actual identity as others might construe my own thoughts as speaking on behalf of another person or entity"

????!!!!????

Uh-huh.

Hey now! I don't think we did anything wrong here[(-D]

-Murphy Siding in South Dakota[;)]

[edblysard]

I see you got it right...South Dakota...

Maybe it is Idaho thats the problem....
Tater heads?

Ed[:D]

[Mookie]

Yeah - it's Idaho! We here in the straight-up-and-down are ok.

Mook

[MichaelSol]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Character

QUOTE: Originally posted by MichaelSol

Sorry, Clark Kent, the BS meter pegged on this one.

"I prefer to come here and not reveal my actual identity as others might construe my own thoughts as speaking on behalf of another person or entity"

You can say it as many times as you like. I'm not the one who needs credibility to support his fallacious arguments...

Oh, and I suppose you feel that great compulsion to have the last word, so feel free, it won't convince me, or anyone else. Your BS meter pegged a long time ago...

Well, then why don't you stick to discussing those fallacious arguments, demonstrating why you think they are so, rather than using strictly ad hominmen attacks? Seems like you don't have much to offer on the very rationale that you say compels you.

[MichaelSol]

QUOTE: Originally posed by Character
A quick Google of Mr. Sol ... Based upon that and another entry showing ...

QUOTE: Originally posted by Character
And you still haven't come forward with the facts or challenged the ones I found about you. Hmmm. Perhaps I need to fire my investigator....

Your investigator is "Google"? A lawyer that does his research using Google then represents, oh, uh, er, "my investigator"...

By all means, "fire" Google.

The stories don't mesh already, this one fell apart pretty fast. Can't reveal your name because we might think you are someone else. You do legal research using Google, uh, an "investigator"... are you on probation for something?

[edblysard]

I think it’s that panhandle thing...
Ed

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Yeah - it's Idaho! We here in the straight-up-and-down are ok.

Mook

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Yeah - it's Idaho! We here in the straight-up-and-down are ok.

Mook

Well, I see you've capitulated to the fecal orgy along with Ed, Tom, and little Bert. So much for your claims of wanting a non-insulting discussion.

[edblysard]

And the sidekick makes his timed appearance, right on cue!

Ed

[MichaelSol]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

And the sidekick makes his timed appearance, right on cue!

Ed

Ed, I see that your comments on Trains forums are almost never about trains or railroads, they are almost entirely about people, spontaneously inserting yourself into any discussion you can find, just to attack people. Thread after thread.

True, conversations about railroading here seem to turn nasty quicker than they ought to, but you're not even in on the conversations. You just show up to insert the insults. Thread after thread.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

And the sidekick makes his timed appearance, right on cue!
Ed

You are truly nothing but human debris. I guess Bergie gives you a pass since you sent some steam engine photos to the mag, but eventually the staff at Kalmbach will figure out having a clinical psychopath as a *contributor* does not reflect well on a national publication.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by MichaelSol

QUOTE: Originally posed by Character
A quick Google of Mr. Sol ... Based upon that and another entry showing ...

QUOTE: Originally posted by Character
And you still haven't come forward with the facts or challenged the ones I found about you. Hmmm. Perhaps I need to fire my investigator....

Your investigator is "Google"? A lawyer that does his research using Google then represents, oh, uh, er, "my investigator"...

By all means, "fire" Google.

The stories don't mesh already, this one fell apart pretty fast. Can't reveal your name because we might think you are someone else. You do legal research using Google, uh, an "investigator"... are you on probation for something?

There is a BIG difference between light factual research on Google and "Legal Research" but perhaps that isn't a term of art you understand out there under the "Big Sky"...

As to my investigator, he is a perfectly capable state licensed P.I., but of course you already knew that...

And no, I'm not on probation, but then, I'm not an ex-judge either...

[MichaelSol]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Character

QUOTE: Originally posted by MichaelSol

QUOTE: Originally posed by Character
A quick Google of Mr. Sol ... Based upon that and another entry showing ...

QUOTE: Originally posted by Character
And you still haven't come forward with the facts or challenged the ones I found about you. Hmmm. Perhaps I need to fire my investigator....

Your investigator is "Google"? A lawyer that does his research using Google then represents, oh, uh, er, "my investigator"...

By all means, "fire" Google.

The stories don't mesh already, this one fell apart pretty fast. Can't reveal your name because we might think you are someone else. You do legal research using Google, uh, an "investigator"... are you on probation for something?

There is a BIG difference between light factual research on Google and "Legal Research" but perhaps that isn't a term of art you understand out there under the "Big Sky"...

As to my investigator, he is a perfectly capable state licensed P.I., but of course you already knew that...

Just going by what you actually stated, I guess the story is changing... but then again it wasn't under oath, since you have no name and nothing is verifiable. Maybe the witness protection program?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by MichaelSol

QUOTE: Originally posted by Character

QUOTE: Originally posted by MichaelSol

QUOTE: Originally posed by Character
A quick Google of Mr. Sol ... Based upon that and another entry showing ...

QUOTE: Originally posted by Character
And you still haven't come forward with the facts or challenged the ones I found about you. Hmmm. Perhaps I need to fire my investigator....

Your investigator is "Google"? A lawyer that does his research using Google then represents, oh, uh, er, "my investigator"...

By all means, "fire" Google.

The stories don't mesh already, this one fell apart pretty fast. Can't reveal your name because we might think you are someone else. You do legal research using Google, uh, an "investigator"... are you on probation for something?

There is a BIG difference between light factual research on Google and "Legal Research" but perhaps that isn't a term of art you understand out there under the "Big Sky"...

As to my investigator, he is a perfectly capable state licensed P.I., but of course you already knew that...

Just going by what you actually stated, I guess the story is changing... but then again it wasn't under oath, since you have no name and nothing is verifiable. Maybe the witness protection program?

No, no, you're thinking of yourself and Dave again, the Witless protection program is just for you two...

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Yeah - it's Idaho! We here in the straight-up-and-down are ok.

Mook

Well, I see you've capitulated to the fecal orgy along with Ed, Tom, and little Bert. So much for your claims of wanting a non-insulting discussion.

Whoa, Whoa my man. We aren't having a discussion, since you don't answer any of my questions.

And I was defending the Dakotas since they are our closest neighbor and Idaho seems to have some trouble with.... well, I am not going into that political hot potato.

I don't see what this has to do with you at all.

I haven't insulted you in any way in print, so you owe me an apology.

Mook!